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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:26 pm

Buc2 wrote:^^Sounds like a weak troll attempt.


He isn’t a troll; he’s just s Socialist. That’s the mainstream Socialist view regarding anything that threatens the expansion of government power and control over its citizenry.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby The Outsider » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:31 am

Brazen331 wrote:
Buc2 wrote:^^Sounds like a weak troll attempt.


He isn’t a troll; he’s just s Socialist. That’s the mainstream Socialist view regarding anything that threatens the expansion of government power and control over its citizenry.


Lol do I really have to spend it out for you guys?

Politicians who are members of the Libertarian party tend to be whackos. Just like the Green Party nutters.

I didn't say anything about libertarianism or libertarians in general.

And Brazen, I'm not a socialist you dumb sack of ****.

P.S. I voted for a Libertarian presidential candidate in 2008.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby PanteraCanes » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:31 am

The Outsider wrote:Lol do I really have to spend it out for you guys?


Freudian slip
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby The Outsider » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:39 am

PanteraCanes wrote:
The Outsider wrote:Lol do I really have to spend it out for you guys?


Freudian slip


More than likely rogue autocorrect.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:44 am

I have zero issue with Outsider’s generalization. I do think the fringe parties will have more whackos then the main two parties.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby bucfanclw » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:58 am

Zarniwoop wrote:I have zero issue with Outsider’s generalization. I do think the fringe parties will have more whackos then the main two parties.

It's an unfortunate side effect to our current 2 major party system. As a potential 3rd party you either put up a more centrist candidate that, while more in line with the majority of Americans, tends to bore voters or you pick someone that will turn heads by being a comically extreme caricature of your party to at least get you noticed.

In either case, the third party always loses because the 2 major parties just have to simply ignore them and the voters will follow suit.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Brazen331 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:37 pm

The Outsider wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
He isn’t a troll; he’s just s Socialist. That’s the mainstream Socialist view regarding anything that threatens the expansion of government power and control over its citizenry.


Lol do I really have to spend it out for you guys?

Politicians who are members of the Libertarian party tend to be whackos. Just like the Green Party nutters.

I didn't say anything about libertarianism or libertarians in general.

And Brazen, I'm not a socialist you dumb sack of ****.

P.S. I voted for a Libertarian presidential candidate in 2008.


You agree with MB like 99 percent of the time. That’s pretty damn Socialist.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:54 pm

Brazen331 wrote:
The Outsider wrote:
Lol do I really have to spend it out for you guys?

Politicians who are members of the Libertarian party tend to be whackos. Just like the Green Party nutters.

I didn't say anything about libertarianism or libertarians in general.

And Brazen, I'm not a socialist you dumb sack of ****.

P.S. I voted for a Libertarian presidential candidate in 2008.


You agree with MB like 99 percent of the time. That’s pretty damn Socialist.

I'm not a socialist you dumb sack of ****.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Brazen331 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:53 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
You agree with MB like 99 percent of the time. That’s pretty damn Socialist.

I'm not a socialist you dumb sack of ****.


Sounds like there’s an echo in here.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:36 pm

MB is a open book waiting for what ever he reads.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Rocker » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:41 pm

Jokes on you, books can’t read.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:12 pm

Brazen331 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:I'm not a socialist you dumb sack of ****.


Sounds like there’s an echo in here.

When you ask the same question to two different people and get the same answer...
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Brazen331 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:46 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
Sounds like there’s an echo in here.

When you ask the same question to two different people and get the same answer...


But I didn’t ask either of you a question. You and your mini-me hardly need my help to give the same answer.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:38 am

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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby The Outsider » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:15 am

Brazen331 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:When you ask the same question to two different people and get the same answer...


But I didn’t ask either of you a question. You and your mini-me hardly need my help to give the same answer.


You don't know me! You don't know what I got!
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:44 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:I'm not a socialist

Really?

Maybe I'm parsing labels (Democratic Socialist vs Socialist) here but I assumed you were onboard with the DSA and that platform based the ideas and politicians you've supported the past 18 months or so.

DNC chair Tom Perez recently stated that Ocasio-Cortez and her platform is the "future of the Democratic Party". I assume you'd be hopeful that is the case, no?
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Buc2 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:54 am

Talk about being lost in the wilderness. Went from a right-wing conservative to socialist in less than a decade. ::lowwhistle::
That's like the difference going from the light side to the dark side of the moon. :D
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:37 am

DreadNaught wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:I'm not a socialist

Really?

Maybe I'm parsing labels (Democratic Socialist vs Socialist) here but I assumed you were onboard with the DSA and that platform based the ideas and politicians you've supported the past 18 months or so.

DNC chair Tom Perez recently stated that Ocasio-Cortez and her platform is the "future of the Democratic Party". I assume you'd be hopeful that is the case, no?

Really.

I'm ever increasingly unsurprised by this because conservatives seem to not grasp that there is diversity of opinion on the left.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Ken Carson » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:00 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:Really?

Maybe I'm parsing labels (Democratic Socialist vs Socialist) here but I assumed you were onboard with the DSA and that platform based the ideas and politicians you've supported the past 18 months or so.

DNC chair Tom Perez recently stated that Ocasio-Cortez and her platform is the "future of the Democratic Party". I assume you'd be hopeful that is the case, no?

Really.

I'm ever increasingly unsurprised by this because conservatives seem to not grasp that there is diversity of opinion on the left.

In their defense, we do a poor job of marketing the diversity of our opinions.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Swashy » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:54 pm

At this point I'll vote for a ***damn can of tuna fish over Trump just so we can get a new institution of economic policy. Want some real capitalism? Put an extra $1000 per month in the hands of every American stipulation free and watch the dollars fly like it's Christmas. Meanwhile its been a century of business tax cuts and bailouts and all we have to show for it is a false positive unemployment rate and an underemployment rate that's easily above 20%.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:02 pm

Swashy wrote:At this point I'll vote for a ***damn can of tuna fish over Trump just so we can get a new institution of economic policy. Want some real capitalism? Put an extra $1000 per month in the hands of every American stipulation free and watch the dollars fly like it's Christmas.


You are so heartless...why only $1,000 / month? Why not $10,000/month to everyone...then the money will really fly like it's Christmas...we even have a logistics delivery system for distributing all that cash in place!

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Swashy wrote:Meanwhile its been a century of business tax cuts and bailouts and all we have to show for it is a false positive unemployment rate and an underemployment rate that's easily above 20%.



I agree...I think there are at least 30 million people unemployed right now!
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:08 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:
Swashy wrote:At this point I'll vote for a ***damn can of tuna fish over Trump just so we can get a new institution of economic policy. Want some real capitalism? Put an extra $1000 per month in the hands of every American stipulation free and watch the dollars fly like it's Christmas.


You are so heartless...why only $1,000 / month? Why not $10,000/month to everyone...then the money will really fly like it's Christmas...we even have a logistics delivery system for distributing all that cash in place!

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Swashy wrote:Meanwhile its been a century of business tax cuts and bailouts and all we have to show for it is a false positive unemployment rate and an underemployment rate that's easily above 20%.



I agree...I think there are at least 30 million people unemployed right now!

Conservatives love to take an argument to the absurd when they can't debate what was said.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:10 pm

LOL.

I gave it the amount of thought it deserves. We have discussed UBI ad naseum on the board.....NONE of you have ever said where the money comes from. $10,000 a year for everyone means nearly $4T a year. Where does that come from? Once someone posts that information, I'll be happy to discuss it more.

And the 20% number is stupid beyond belief -- we've went over this the last time it came up and someone said it was 30%. 20% would put our labor participation rate at 85%. Unless you want to force every single retired person back to work, that number is impossible....again it implies that there are approx 30 million people that are unemployed. That isn't my opinion. It's a FACT. I'm not taking anything to the extreme.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby uscbucsfan » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:10 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:
You are so heartless...why only $1,000 / month? Why not $10,000/month to everyone...then the money will really fly like it's Christmas...we even have a logistics delivery system for distributing all that cash in place!

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I agree...I think there are at least 30 million people unemployed right now!

Conservatives love to take an argument to the absurd when they can't debate what was said.

lol.

Easy with the generalizations there, socialist.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:20 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:LOL.

I gave it the amount of thought it deserves. We have discussed UBI ad naseum on the board.....NONE of you have ever said where the money comes from. $10,000 a year for everyone means nearly $4T a year. Where does that come from? Once someone posts that information, I'll be happy to discuss it more.

And the 20% number is stupid beyond belief -- we've went over this the last time it came up and someone said it was 30%. 20% would put our labor participation rate at 85%. Unless you want to force every single retired person back to work, that number is impossible.

No. Nobody has ever or will ever make any explanation that will satisy you.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:30 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:LOL.

I gave it the amount of thought it deserves. We have discussed UBI ad naseum on the board.....NONE of you have ever said where the money comes from. $10,000 a year for everyone means nearly $4T a year. Where does that come from? Once someone posts that information, I'll be happy to discuss it more.

And the 20% number is stupid beyond belief -- we've went over this the last time it came up and someone said it was 30%. 20% would put our labor participation rate at 85%. Unless you want to force every single retired person back to work, that number is impossible.

No. Nobody has ever or will ever make any explanation that will satisy you.



The argument they make can satisfy me where the money comes from....doesn't mean I'll agree with implementing it though.


Just like I can give you an argument why we should have a 15% flat tax and what I would cut in order to balance the budget to make it happen given that gov't revenue level....doesn't mean you'll agree with it...but at least the numbers will be there.



Until I see the #'s I'll continue to ridicule the UBI when it comes up.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:42 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:No. Nobody has ever or will ever make any explanation that will satisy you.



The argument they make can satisfy me where the money comes from....doesn't mean I'll agree with implementing it though.


Just like I can give you an argument why we should have a 15% flat tax and what I would cut in order to balance the budget to make it happen given that gov't revenue level....doesn't mean you'll agree with it...but at least the numbers will be there.



Until I see the #'s I'll continue to ridicule the UBI when it comes up.

It's a fool's errand trying to explain to the likes of you anyway. You're only concerned with maintaining the status quo.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby uscbucsfan » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:45 pm

Definitely drunk MB.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:48 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:Definitely drunk MB.



yep

but that is coming from the LIKES OF ME!


I still can't seem to get anyone to call me a piece of **** though. :-?
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:54 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:

The argument they make can satisfy me where the money comes from....doesn't mean I'll agree with implementing it though.


Just like I can give you an argument why we should have a 15% flat tax and what I would cut in order to balance the budget to make it happen given that gov't revenue level....doesn't mean you'll agree with it...but at least the numbers will be there.



Until I see the #'s I'll continue to ridicule the UBI when it comes up.

It's a fool's errand trying to explain to the likes of you anyway. You're only concerned with maintaining the status quo.


Your problem is really with the Constitution, isn’t it? That damned document keeps us mired in the status quo and prevents us from marching towards progress.
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