mdb1958 wrote:Howard Jones is available.
BucaRican wrote:AP is also available, but we settled for Charles Sims
BucaRican wrote:PrimeMinister wrote:
This.
Photos like this are beautiful and have been around for years. No issue with them at all. Mrs PM wants to do the same when she is pregnant.
I love the comments of "I wouldn't let my wife do it" "I don't care what the reason, you don't do this." "Jameis is one dumb motherfucker." "As a married man, no way in hell is my wife/girlfriend/mother of my child going to be put out on social media like this.". It's the whole "I am the dictator of my women, she does as I say" mentality. You guys carry a child for 9 months and try to feel and look great without being depressed. "Hey women, don't take that picture!" "Hey Women, don't post hat picture"....
BucaRican wrote:AP is also available, but we settled for Charles Sims
theBKwhopper wrote:Bootz2004 wrote:
As a married man, no way in hell is my wife/girlfriend/mother of my child going to be put out on social media like this. This is very tasteless and the look on her face says she's not at all pleased with this photo shoot. It's a shame the lengths young females will go in order to secure their own future with a star athlete.
Agreed.
deltbucs wrote:theBKwhopper wrote:Agreed.
How have you people never seen maternity photos before? I have lots of friends who go pictures like this done professionally and the mother posted the pics on social media. The mothers are usually the ones who want the pictures taken and post them. I'm guessing that was the case with Jamies, too.
"The way I learned DB in college initially was I played on and off, so I played press and off, and then my last two years I played a lot of press-man," Davis explained. "So, just coming here, it takes time to just getting back to playing off and get comfortable with it. So, it wasn't a huge step for me, but I guess I am back acclimated with it and I am comfortable now."
"My whole career at Carolina, we played press all the time. It's a learning curve. But I'm getting there slowly but surely," Stewart said.
"You've just got to be able to read their stem and when bringing cushion, you've gotta know when to open your hips up."
Why did the Bucs draft Davis and Stewart, who excel at pressing, to play a more passive game and do something entirely different than what they did in college? The thought process is that it's easier to draft players who play press coverage -- which is generally considered more difficult -- and teach them to play off coverage than it is the other way around.
Bootz2004 wrote:We still will be playing our DBs in off coverage. SOMETIMES"The way I learned DB in college initially was I played on and off, so I played press and off, and then my last two years I played a lot of press-man," Davis explained. "So, just coming here, it takes time to just getting back to playing off and get comfortable with it. So, it wasn't a huge step for me, but I guess I am back acclimated with it and I am comfortable now.""My whole career at Carolina, we played press all the time. It's a learning curve. But I'm getting there slowly but surely," Stewart said.
"You've just got to be able to read their stem and when bringing cushion, you've gotta know when to open your hips up."Why did the Bucs draft Davis and Stewart, who excel at pressing, to play a more passive game and do something entirely different than what they did in college? The thought process is that it's easier to draft players who play press coverage -- which is generally considered more difficult -- and teach them to play off coverage than it is the other way around.
acmillis wrote:Bootz2004 wrote:We still will be playing our DBs in off coverage. SOMETIMES
If you read the quotes, both say that they either exclusively played press or that they played press most of the time.
It's also tough to gauge these quotes without knowing exactly what the question was.
Bootz2004 wrote:acmillis wrote:
If you read the quotes, both say that they either exclusively played press or that they played press most of the time.
It's also tough to gauge these quotes without knowing exactly what the question was.
Yes in college. But here they both state clearly that they are adjusting to playing off most of the time. How are you confused?
Here's the article.
http://www.espn.com/blog/tampa-bay-bucc ... s-coverage
acmillis wrote:Bootz2004 wrote:
Yes in college. But here they both state clearly that they are adjusting to playing off most of the time. How are you confused?
Here's the article.
http://www.espn.com/blog/tampa-bay-bucc ... s-coverage
I read this as they are being taught how to play off coverage. It seems you're jumping to the conclusion that because we're teaching our rookies something that they have either never learned, or learned but barely played, then we are going to run that coverage exclusively.
That would be like me seeing a TE line up in the backfield and thinking...but he was a pass catching tight end in college, why are we only going to use him as a blocker?!?!?111eleventyone!!?
Edit: there's also this quote which you did not include, "Getting physical at the line of scrimmage to disrupt the timing of bigger receivers such as Watson is what Davis came to be known for in three years at Auburn and is a big reason the Bucs selected him No. 63 overall in last month's NFL draft."
acmillis wrote:What was the point of your original post then, I'm genuinely not sure based on your response?
acmillis wrote:What was the point of your original post then, I'm genuinely not sure based on your response?
Bootz2004 wrote:acmillis wrote:What was the point of your original post then, I'm genuinely not sure based on your response?
My point was to highlight the direction we were going. Many speculated that we'd move to being a primarily press man defense however that's clearly not the case. We may play a bit more press man than Mike Smith usually does however despite the skills set of the DBs we drafted we are teaching them to play off as we are still an Off coverage defense.
You and fake GM Cheb believe the point was to argue, well it goes to show how small you think and your inability to comprehend information. It's not my problem. If arguing was what you didn't want to do you wpuld ve addressed the article with your opinion yet you chose to go after me. Given how little you know it really isn't a surprise honestly.
Trevor Sikkema @TampaBayTre
If I’m reading between the lines, sounds like CB Vernon Hargreaves is going to start training camp as the starting outside corner and then the starting nickel player when they go to sub-packages. The outside CB spot in base defense is his to lose right now.
Nano wrote:Trevor Sikkema @TampaBayTre
If I’m reading between the lines, sounds like CB Vernon Hargreaves is going to start training camp as the starting outside corner and then the starting nickel player when they go to sub-packages. The outside CB spot in base defense is his to lose right now.
Bootz2004 wrote:acmillis wrote:What was the point of your original post then, I'm genuinely not sure based on your response?
My point was to highlight the direction we were going. Many speculated that we'd move to being a primarily press man defense however that's clearly not the case. We may play a bit more press man than Mike Smith usually does however despite the skills set of the DBs we drafted we are teaching them to play off as we are still an Off coverage defense.
You and fake GM Cheb believe the point was to argue, well it goes to show how small you think and your inability to comprehend information. It's not my problem. If arguing was what you didn't want to do you wpuld ve addressed the article with your opinion yet you chose to go after me. Given how little you know it really isn't a surprise honestly.
Nano wrote:Trevor Sikkema @TampaBayTre
If I’m reading between the lines, sounds like CB Vernon Hargreaves is going to start training camp as the starting outside corner and then the starting nickel player when they go to sub-packages. The outside CB spot in base defense is his to lose right now.
Super K wrote:VH3 being called the "2nd best corner" on the team (prior to the draft) just means he sucked a little less than the others..and even that is purely subjective..
If you don't even think he can hold the job down by camp's end, then why name him the guy?...call it an open competition and let him feel the heat (as he should)..
If his ego can't take that, or he can't get over that mentally, then he's not built to be a CB anyway..
Cheb wrote:Bootz2004 wrote:
My point was to highlight the direction we were going. Many speculated that we'd move to being a primarily press man defense however that's clearly not the case. We may play a bit more press man than Mike Smith usually does however despite the skills set of the DBs we drafted we are teaching them to play off as we are still an Off coverage defense.
You and fake GM Cheb believe the point was to argue, well it goes to show how small you think and your inability to comprehend information. It's not my problem. If arguing was what you didn't want to do you wpuld ve addressed the article with your opinion yet you chose to go after me. Given how little you know it really isn't a surprise honestly.
We drafted corners whose strength is press man coverage, that's true. And we are utilizing them as such. Just look at the article you posted. What technique was Carlton Davis using in the very first paragraph, describing his technique during a coverage rep in rookie minicamp? Press man.
Our rookies are talented press man corners, but they need to be comfortable in off-man coverage and with multiple zone concepts as well. This is so those concepts feel familiar and comfortable when they are called in a game. The time to rep that familiarity is from day one, in the offseason, where you can correct mistakes in technique and judgement. This is basic coaching. Indeed, it's pretty fundamental in every profession to show a new hiree the full scope of their job early on.
One could also view this as a shoring up of their weaknesses. We know that Davis and Stewart can press. As they said in the article, they have years of film doing it. They need to work on other alignments, ones less natural to them, to make them more well rounded football players. But I digress.
Professional corners need to be comfortable with all coverage concepts, even if they play some more predominantly than others. Every player needs to know how to execute every aspect of the playbook for which he is responsible. Even if we transitioned to running press man coverage 80% of the time (a huge leap), repping off-man for our corners would be like Vea repping a short zone drop or LVD practicing his pass rush or the whole defense practicing their prevent. Not something you'd call every snap, but something you still rep it in practice so it isn't a clusterfuck on Sundays.
You are taking one offseason data point and running with it. It's overreacting.
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