The Outsider wrote:DreadNaught wrote:
Let's say you work for a large company. When your CEO walks in to the same room do you show them respect? If so, are you respecting them personally? Or are you respecting their position?
Or let's say you rolled through a stop sign and get pulled over by a cop. Would you show some level of respect as they approached? Are you respecting them personally, or b/c of the job/title they hold?
I don't believe anyone is arguing you have to respect the President (or anyone else) on a personal level if you have reasons that they don't deserve that respect. But that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't be respectful of their position.
Hell, there a ton of public personas I don't respect as people based on what they do/don't stand for. But I still respect the position they hold and job they were hired/elected to perform.
As for the first point, I don't work for the President.
To the second point, I show a basic level of respect to police officers who pull me over because in that specific situation the have the ability to negatively impact my life.
I respect the position of President, I didn't like it when people made **** up about or just talked **** on Obama or Bush. Two Presidents I never voted for. But they were normal Presidents in a normal situation with pretty normal administrations. This President is not normal, this administration is not normal, and what is going on in this country is not normal. I refuse to normalize it by treating Donald Trump like he's anything but a farce, or the biggest mistake in American politics in my lifetime.
Time will tell if I'm wrong or not. I don't think I am, but I won't be afraid to admit it if I am.
What is "normal"? And why is this "normal" standard a good thing in your opinion when it comes to the Presidency and his administration based the example you cited of 43 and 44? I'm not attacking, just curious and trying to understand your mindset.
I get that Trump is hated by large contingent of people and nothing will change that. But people are forgetting he was elected and has a large base of support, first by beating out a bunch of people in the GOP primary then the General.
People wanted change (according to 63% of exit polls on election day) and Hillary was offering a 3rd term of Obama/normal.
Trump is a goofball, boorish, unlikable, and not an ideal spokesperson for America. But I care about policy and unemployment is historically low, my retirement portfolio is looking good, immigration is trending in a good direction and other than this Syria nonsense I'm more satisfied with our foreign policy (warmongering) than I have been since I can remember. I don't care if people want to credit this administration or the previous one for those trends, I just care that they are trending in a good direction.
In a perfect world I wish I could have a President with Obama's temperament and likability, but with Trump's America first mentality on major issues.
I actually like that Trump is establishing a new normal even I don't like everything about Trump's version of it. It will pave the way for next person that isn't a typical MIC controlled political crony (i.e. "normal" President) to potentially get elected. Maybe even someone from outside the two major parties at some point.
Change is Washington was demanded in the 2016 election imho and had it not been for Clinton's actual election interference in the Democratic primary (which AMAZINGLY still doesn't get talked about) we'd likely have President Sanders right now. But things happened the way they did and we got the Trump change instead of the Bernie change, which imo were going to be the only two desired outcomes for most voters and why alot of Bernie independents voted for Trump and/or against Hillary(normal).