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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby beardmcdoug » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:13 pm

Welp it's back up again - almost a few weeks - almost lol
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Nano » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:42 pm

Okay, now that we're back; can anyone tell me if the starting rb from Missouri Western is draft eligible and what round he goes in. it would be a shame if we drafted a position then patted our backs saying its finished
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Super K » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:00 pm

Nano wrote:Okay, now that we're back; can anyone tell me if the starting rb from Missouri Western is draft eligible and what round he goes in. it would be a shame if we drafted a position then patted our backs saying its finished


Holy **** this is perfectly done!! Hahahaha...
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby MJW » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:41 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:MJW, when did you change? You said this mid-season in response to my criticism of him



LMAO! MJWing at it's finest.


You mean...gathering more evidence over time and being willing to change my mind on something?

Yeah, Bootz. That sure is something to feel silly about. Only idiots ever incorporate information into their arguments as time goes on. Geniuses say something, then double-down on it until the end of time no matter how apparent it becomes to them they're wrong. In fact, that's the exact definition of "Bootzing" at it's finest. Or ignorance. Actually, same diff.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby real bucs fan » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:36 am

Damien Harris returning to Alabama is a bit of a surprise. Weakens the draft at RB a bit more. While this is a very good RB class at the top, noone should be getting it confused with last years class which had absolutely insane depth. We really cannot afford to leave Day 2 without having selected a RB again.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:31 am

Haven't seen much mention of Tennessee RB John Kelly.

He will be a day 3 guy, but someone that was being touted as one of the better RBs in the SEC early in the season before the wheels came off up in Knoxville.

He runs much bigger than his 5'9" 205lb frame suggests and has some Kareem Hunt qualities imo.

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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Bootz2004 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:35 am

Bryce Love returning to Stanford. He must really want to win the Heisman.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby real bucs fan » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:39 am

This RB class suddenly looks rather mediocre with Love and Harris returning to school... I think you have Barkley and Guice as 1st rounders, and then you have 5 Day 2 type guys in Michel, Chubb, Freeman, Jones, and Johnson... and then not a lot of guys who can be trusted IMO...
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Super K » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:53 am

I don't know how the **** I missed LJ Scott saying he was returning to Mich St, but I was legit bummed yesterday when I read it..

I love that kid and thought he'd be PERFECT for our offense...

Sumbitch...
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:58 am

real bucs fan wrote:This RB class suddenly looks rather mediocre with Love and Harris returning to school... I think you have Barkley and Guice as 1st rounders, and then you have 5 Day 2 type guys in Michel, Chubb, Freeman, Jones, and Johnson... and then not a lot of guys who can be trusted IMO...


I wouldn't call that mediocre. But I agree it would've been better with Love and Scott in the mix. It's still a very good RB class in terms of depth and immediate impact type of guys.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby real bucs fan » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:10 am

DreadNaught wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:This RB class suddenly looks rather mediocre with Love and Harris returning to school... I think you have Barkley and Guice as 1st rounders, and then you have 5 Day 2 type guys in Michel, Chubb, Freeman, Jones, and Johnson... and then not a lot of guys who can be trusted IMO...


I wouldn't call that mediocre. But I agree it would've been better with Love and Scott in the mix. It's still a very good RB class in terms of depth and immediate impact type of guys.

Well I guess it's about how you view those guys, and then how they matchup with our picks. Barkley is a first rate bluechip stud, but likely not their t 7. Guice to me is going to be a injury prone and is a character headache though very talented, but 7 is too early. Michel we are both on board with in round 2, but he might not be there. Chubb and Freeman are both nice Day 2 guys, but not guys who'd bring a different element to the backfield beside Barber, and our 2nd is too high for them IMO. Not a fan of Jones or Johnson due to their running style, but I'd take them in the 3rd because we'd be desperate at that point...
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Bootz2004 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:13 am

No Rashaad Penny love? I see some Le'Veon in him.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby real bucs fan » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:18 am

Bootz2004 wrote:No Rashaad Penny love? I see some Le'Veon in him.

Penny is a guy who's combine would in fact matter to me. He looks good on tape, but considering the competition he faced, I want to see what type of athlete he is. He's a Day 3 guy for me at this point, with an opportunity to rise.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Bootz2004 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:26 am

real bucs fan wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:No Rashaad Penny love? I see some Le'Veon in him.

Penny is a guy who's combine would in fact matter to me. He looks good on tape, but considering the competition he faced, I want to see what type of athlete he is. He's a Day 3 guy for me at this point, with an opportunity to rise.


He faced other D1 teams. San Diego State is in the Mountain West along with Fresno State and Boise State. He looks great on tape. Not perfect, he runs very upright which hurts trying to get extra yardage but his vision is great and he appears to have soft hands to make catches.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:37 am

Bootz2004 wrote:No Rashaad Penny love? I see some Le'Veon in him.


Not a fan of upright runners. Just a personal preference. I agree Penny has good vision and has some tools I like. But just like/prefer the compact/shifty/ low to the ground runners. Upright runners have a more difficult time making guys miss and getting extra yards after contact.

I know it's not scientific at all and upright runners like Lev Bell, Forte, and Latavious Murray have had success. But I'm not sure Penny has the power those guys do. I don't dislike Penny. His traits just are not a match for my eye is all. But I have an admitted preference/bias when it comes to running style.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Super K » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:41 am

Not only does he run upright, he's got those choppy feet/short steps..

Makes Mike Pittman look like a strider..

I don't likem..he'll slow his 40 time by a second just by playing on grass..(being a smartass but you know what I mean)
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Bootz2004 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:47 am

We'll see. Penny isn't perfect but I see a ton of positives in his game. A guy to keep our eyes on.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Super K » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:05 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:We'll see. Penny isn't perfect but I see a ton of positives in his game. A guy to keep our eyes on.


No doubt..hell, based on recent history I'd do the opposite of what I think...

I hated Kamara and wasn't a fan of Hunt....
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:26 pm

Super K wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:We'll see. Penny isn't perfect but I see a ton of positives in his game. A guy to keep our eyes on.


No doubt..hell, based on recent history I'd do the opposite of what I think...

I hated Kamara and wasn't a fan of Hunt....

It's one freaking play, but I don't see running high or choppy steps here.

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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:32 pm

In my sim I picked DE Davenport instead of RB Penny.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:46 am

mdb1958 wrote:http://www.news-herald.com/sports/20171026/riverside-grad-marc-jones-of-gannon-sheds-30-pounds-leads-nation-in-rushing-for-all-divisions


This guy used to weigh 260 lbs. He rushed for 355 yards in this game.


http://www.news-herald.com/sports/20171 ... -divisions



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjiyp7c0uHYAhUFM6wKHRpfCmAQuAIIJzAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F235186368&usg=AOvVaw1DGdjWVesP6TFEdB2H4Cwr
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:17 am

His stats were similar to Bryce Love's stats except he did his in 11 games instead of 13.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby beardmcdoug » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:11 am

DreadNaught wrote:Haven't seen much mention of Tennessee RB John Kelly.

He will be a day 3 guy, but someone that was being touted as one of the better RBs in the SEC early in the season before the wheels came off up in Knoxville.

He runs much bigger than his 5'9" 205lb frame suggests and has some Kareem Hunt qualities imo.



yeah buddy -- now that dude can tote the rock

although I don't know if he's a great compliment to the "diminutive-size hard running RB" we already have... we almost need somebody with either lights out speed or a big banger like Bo Scarborough


ok edit: 5'11 225 isn't exactly "diminutive", Barber just looks relatively small out there
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Bootz2004 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:19 am

beardmcdoug wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:Haven't seen much mention of Tennessee RB John Kelly.

He will be a day 3 guy, but someone that was being touted as one of the better RBs in the SEC early in the season before the wheels came off up in Knoxville.

He runs much bigger than his 5'9" 205lb frame suggests and has some Kareem Hunt qualities imo.



yeah buddy -- now that dude can tote the rock

although I don't know if he's a great compliment to the "diminutive-size hard running RB" we've already have... we almost need somebody with either lights out speed or a big banger like Bo Scarborough


Who's this diminutive sized RB you're referring to?
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Deuce » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:22 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
beardmcdoug wrote:
yeah buddy -- now that dude can tote the rock

although I don't know if he's a great compliment to the "diminutive-size hard running RB" we've already have... we almost need somebody with either lights out speed or a big banger like Bo Scarborough


Who's this diminutive sized RB you're referring to?


Obviously Jacquizz Rodgers.
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby beardmcdoug » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:24 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
beardmcdoug wrote:
yeah buddy -- now that dude can tote the rock

although I don't know if he's a great compliment to the "diminutive-size hard running RB" we've already have... we almost need somebody with either lights out speed or a big banger like Bo Scarborough


Who's this diminutive sized RB you're referring to?


Peyton Barber

I'm assuming Doug is gone, and sims probably is too. And I'm of the belief that we should be spending our #7 on Nelson or Chubb, and not try to find a savior RB (ahem RBF) at #7, and that Barber has shown just enough, that with an improved O-line, and good 2nd day compliment RB, our running game will be solid
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Bootz2004 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:26 am

Deuce wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Who's this diminutive sized RB you're referring to?


Obviously Jacquizz Rodgers.


I was afraid of that. He has no future here. He's under contract for a non guaranteed $1.6mil. If you want to know how valued he is around here he got 1 carry over the last 3 games of the season. We likely cut him or stash him away on game days in 2018. But he won't be needing any "compliment".
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby beardmcdoug » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:31 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
Deuce wrote:
Obviously Jacquizz Rodgers.


I was afraid of that. He has no future here. He's under contract for a non guaranteed $1.6mil. If you want to know how valued he is around here he got 1 carry over the last 3 games of the season. We likely cut him or stash him away on game days in 2018. But he won't be needing any "compliment".


yeah not him lol
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Re: Draft Watch: Running Backs

Postby Bootz2004 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:35 am

beardmcdoug wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
I was afraid of that. He has no future here. He's under contract for a non guaranteed $1.6mil. If you want to know how valued he is around here he got 1 carry over the last 3 games of the season. We likely cut him or stash him away on game days in 2018. But he won't be needing any "compliment".


yeah not him lol


Then who? We don't have any other diminutive backs on this team.
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