Brazen331 wrote:Who are you thinking of selecting with those picks?
Cheb wrote:Even if all the premium non-qbs are gone by that point, the Bills would have to sweeten the pot before I would make that trade.
Bootz2004 wrote:Nope. Pass rusher. Chubb, Ferrell, Key.
Kress wrote:Bootz2004 wrote:Nope. Pass rusher. Chubb, Ferrell, Key.
I have a full Chubb right now.
Cheb wrote:If we have a choice between Chubb and Nelson... well, I would kick myself either way.
We desperately, desperately need a pass rush on the outside, and Chubb is a very good pass rusher. He would make the most logical sense.
And yet, Nelson is just that good. Upgrading left guard with a talent like his makes so much sense. He would help out everybody, from Winston and the skill players by opening holes and giving time in the pocket, to his fellow linemen by not needing help on the interior (especially helping D Smith with rushes to that B gap), and he'd also help the defense, by helping us actually have a solid running game and promoting offensive TOP and effeciency. Nelson is the best college guard I've ever seen, and it's not even close. His ceiling is Larry Allen, and his floor (assuming he stays healthy) is Davin Joseph.
If we took Chubb and he had only an average career, and Nelson by contrast was (as predicted) an immediate all-Pro, I would say that we were stupid for passing on a generational talent in Nelson for an immediate team need. We have done this in the past, and we are still kicking ourselves because of it.
And yet, if we took Nelson, and again couldn't muster up a pass rush to save our lives, I would bemoan the fact that we didn't take the best pass rusher in the draft when we had the chance.
More than likely, one of those two will be gone by the time we pick, so the decision will be made for us. Or, by the time of the draft, One Buc will firmly prefer one over the other.
Time will tell.
beardmcdoug wrote:Cheb wrote:If we have a choice between Chubb and Nelson... well, I would kick myself either way.
We desperately, desperately need a pass rush on the outside, and Chubb is a very good pass rusher. He would make the most logical sense.
And yet, Nelson is just that good. Upgrading left guard with a talent like his makes so much sense. He would help out everybody, from Winston and the skill players by opening holes and giving time in the pocket, to his fellow linemen by not needing help on the interior (especially helping D Smith with rushes to that B gap), and he'd also help the defense, by helping us actually have a solid running game and promoting offensive TOP and effeciency. Nelson is the best college guard I've ever seen, and it's not even close. His ceiling is Larry Allen, and his floor (assuming he stays healthy) is Davin Joseph.
If we took Chubb and he had only an average career, and Nelson by contrast was (as predicted) an immediate all-Pro, I would say that we were stupid for passing on a generational talent in Nelson for an immediate team need. We have done this in the past, and we are still kicking ourselves because of it.
And yet, if we took Nelson, and again couldn't muster up a pass rush to save our lives, I would bemoan the fact that we didn't take the best pass rusher in the draft when we had the chance.
More than likely, one of those two will be gone by the time we pick, so the decision will be made for us. Or, by the time of the draft, One Buc will firmly prefer one over the other.
Time will tell.
this is exactly how I feel - well said.
Although, I'll say that by the time I was done reading, I'm still feeling partial to Nelson. I must be getting older with how adverse to risk I'm becoming. Nelson just seems like such a guaranteed homerun. I'd puke all over myself if we picked Chubb, and he ends up as just another extremely athletic DE who "just couldn't put it together", like I feel like I've seen 100 times at this point, all the Vernon Gholstons, Dion Jordans, Barkevious Mingos, Gaines Adams' - hell even if he ends up like a Jadeveon Clowney, who deals with nagging injuries, and can have occasional dominant moments, (but still hasn't broken 10 sacks/season after 4 years) I'd still so salty knowing we passed on a guy, as you say, with a Larry Allen ceiling and Davin Joseph floor.
Teitan wrote:Luckily, we can help our pass rush in FA. Ansah is a solid younger guy we can invest in hopefully.
DreadNaught wrote:I'm starting to really like the idea of Nelson at #7. I know we need pass rush, Secondary, and RB help but I'm a BPA guy (within reason) and I think Nelson is that guy.
A dominate Oline just makes the game easier. We already have all the pieces in place in the passing game (I could argue we have more weapons than we can utilize), so plugging in an All-Pro caliber talent at the weakest part of our line would dramatically improve the entire unit. Plus you would have the LT-LG-C spots all locked up with players under 25. It could be scary good moving forward.
We'd still need a RB, but you can find those.
The flaw with this scenario is we didn't spend our most valuable offseason resource (the #7 overall pick) addressing the biggest problem with our team which was the EDGE rush.
If we don't get better rushing the QB with 4 it will be a complete regime change this time next year. It's tough to win close games late in the 4th when you can't pressure the QB.
Teitan wrote:Luckily, we can help our pass rush in FA. Ansah is a solid younger guy we can invest in hopefully.
Bootz2004 wrote:Teitan wrote:Luckily, we can help our pass rush in FA. Ansah is a solid younger guy we can invest in hopefully.
Much like Lawrence in Dallas there's no chance Detroit is going to just let Ansah walk. Edge rushers are a premium position in this league. You don't just let one walk if you don't have a viable solution to replace him. Not happening.
Bootz2004 wrote:Have you never watched the NFL? Good players walk and change teams annually. This is the NFL with a salary cap. You cannot hold on to every good player you have. You just can't.
Teitan wrote:Bootz2004 wrote:
Much like Lawrence in Dallas there's no chance Detroit is going to just let Ansah walk. Edge rushers are a premium position in this league. You don't just let one walk if you don't have a viable solution to replace him. Not happening.Bootz2004 wrote:Have you never watched the NFL? Good players walk and change teams annually. This is the NFL with a salary cap. You cannot hold on to every good player you have. You just can't.
Teitan wrote:I’m not saying that Ansah will certainly be available. Simply that we should try to target someone like him, should they become available. Not sure why your first instinct is just to be a huge **** all the time.
And just using YOUR post to illustrate that some good players do get away.
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Teitan wrote:Luckily, we can help our pass rush in FA. Ansah is a solid younger guy we can invest in hopefully.
That is Licht's style. He will try to fill every hole in the roster with free agents before the draft so he's not a prisoner to it.
This has had mixed results, but I think it's a sound way to approach the offseason.
DreadNaught wrote:The franchise tag for a DE in 2018 is going to be around $18-19m so both the Lions and Cowboys could go that route to keep Ansah/Lawrence. It would seem obvious the Lions would do so w/ Ansah considering their cap space and lack of talent at the position. It will be more difficult for the Cowboys who have big extensions for Dak and Zeke in the near future, limited cap space in 2018, and having just drafted a DE in round 1 last season (Taco Charlton).
I'd bet the Cowboys cut Dez Bryant w/a post June 1 designation to save $12m in cap and use the money to extend Lawrence.
Bootz2004 wrote:DreadNaught wrote:The franchise tag for a DE in 2018 is going to be around $18-19m so both the Lions and Cowboys could go that route to keep Ansah/Lawrence. It would seem obvious the Lions would do so w/ Ansah considering their cap space and lack of talent at the position. It will be more difficult for the Cowboys who have big extensions for Dak and Zeke in the near future, limited cap space in 2018, and having just drafted a DE in round 1 last season (Taco Charlton).
I'd bet the Cowboys cut Dez Bryant w/a post June 1 designation to save $12m in cap and use the money to extend Lawrence.
Dallas has $21mil in cap space so their situation isn't as bad as in years past. Cutting Dez post June 1 makes sense. They could also cut Bailey and save $3.4 mil. They could also let Witten go and save $6mil+ although I don't know how that would go over in Arlington. Regardless I don't see them letting Lawrence walk.
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