PetePierson wrote:This HC is a total dolt and living on borrowed time.
DanTurksGhost wrote:He also gave all of our bargaining chips to Brent Grimes today, telling him directly to his face that the Bucs definitely want him back here. Of course this team is pretty screwed if Grimes DOESN'T come back or if his play falls off dramatically next season.
MJW wrote:
I really hope Koetter is just laying the ground work for a smokescreen of some kind. If he actually believes this we're screwed.
Agent Orange wrote:MJW wrote:I really hope Koetter is just laying the ground work for a smokescreen of some kind. If he actually believes this we're screwed.
I thought last off-season that we needed to revamp the O-line and they said the same type of things. This is what concerns me the most. If they are not concerned about both lines we are in trouble. Actually we already know we are in trouble.
Agent Orange wrote:MJW wrote:
I really hope Koetter is just laying the ground work for a smokescreen of some kind. If he actually believes this we're screwed.
I thought last off-season that we needed to revamp the O-line and they said the same type of things. This is what concerns me the most. If they are not concerned about both lines we are in trouble. Actually we already know we are in trouble.
terrytate wrote:Agent Orange wrote:
I thought last off-season that we needed to revamp the O-line and they said the same type of things. This is what concerns me the most. If they are not concerned about both lines we are in trouble. Actually we already know we are in trouble.
I am pretty sure Koetter believes in the starting Oline. He might see LG as a spot to upgrade but he seems to be all in on Smith, Marpet, Sweezy and Dotson. I'd like to get a new LT and kick Smith inside to LG, but that seems like pie in the sky. I don't think it matters though, this looks like a weak crop of OT's anyways. If we can draft a good LG with potential, I'll learn to live with it.
Cheb wrote:The full quote is:
"I think we have depth on the offensive line, we have versatility on the offensive line," Koetter said. "I know our O-line is heavily criticized. I think our O-line is in the upper half of the league. … When I’m looking at tapes of other teams, I see some bad offensive line play. I think our O-line hung in there pretty good."
He's not totally wrong.
We have depth; we just proved that by being forced to start a bunch of JAGs and being able to not grind to a screeching halt. We have versatility, because those JAGs can often play more than one position.
What he didn't say is that we have talent. He thinks that our offensive line is good by comparison. Being good and good by comparison are very different things. A person bench pressing 150lbs as their max could be the strongest guy in the weight room at a given moment, but that doesn't mean that they are objectively strong, only strong when compared to their immediate peers.
Is our offensive line better than the Seahawks, Colts, and Giants units? Yes. Does that mean that they are good? No.
mdb1958 wrote:Go into defensive mode MJW. Its time
MJW wrote:If he actually believes this we're screwed.
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Shocking statistic that backs up Koetter
4th in the league in third down percentage.
I know, I couldn't believe it either.
real bucs fan wrote:Mountaineer Buc wrote:Shocking statistic that backs up Koetter
4th in the league in third down percentage.
I know, I couldn't believe it either.
I think alot of Bucs fans are so used to complaining about poor oline play that they weren't able to wrap their collective heads around the fact the oline played well this year- and that's despite being decimated by injuries. Doug Martin sucking ass just compounded it. We need a new LG to be sure, but we're otherwise in good shape.
Mountaineer Buc wrote:real bucs fan wrote:
I think alot of Bucs fans are so used to complaining about poor oline play that they weren't able to wrap their collective heads around the fact the oline played well this year- and that's despite being decimated by injuries. Doug Martin sucking ass just compounded it. We need a new LG to be sure, but we're otherwise in good shape.
40 sacks given up.
real bucs fan wrote:Mountaineer Buc wrote:40 sacks given up.
We also passed the ball an obscene number of times (3rd in the NFL). Our adjusted sack rate was 16th in the league (and that's after being decimated by injuries). That's what matters more. If we had better run/pass balance, that number would go way way down.
Mountaineer Buc wrote:real bucs fan wrote:We also passed the ball an obscene number of times (3rd in the NFL). Our adjusted sack rate was 16th in the league (and that's after being decimated by injuries). That's what matters more. If we had better run/pass balance, that number would go way way down.
If we had better players on the O-Line, it would go much farther down than changing the run/pass ratio.
Mountaineer Buc wrote:real bucs fan wrote:We also passed the ball an obscene number of times (3rd in the NFL). Our adjusted sack rate was 16th in the league (and that's after being decimated by injuries). That's what matters more. If we had better run/pass balance, that number would go way way down.
If we had better players on the O-Line, it would go much farther down than simply changing the run/pass ratio which is dictated by down and distance in addition to the score.
Bucs N Beers wrote:Benenoch wasn't a super fantastic RT. But last year when he had to plug in at LG briefly, I thought he did a good job. Maybe he gets a shot there with Pamphile likely to depart.
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