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Opiod Crisis

Postby bucfanclw » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:29 am

During the campaign, and again in October, Trump said he was going to declare the opiod crisis a national health emergency. As expected, that never actually happened. Washington Post just had a fantastic story on one of the side effects of this showing how the DEA had hard evidence outlining how McKesson Corp has been illegally funneling opiods from their distribution in Sacramento to a Lakeland Fl distributor that is selling them on the streets. McKesson, a company that make $100 million a week, got a deal worked out with federal judges to pay a $150 million fine and still keep their distribution lines open.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/mckesson-dea-opioids-fine/2017/12/14/ab50ad0e-db5b-11e7-b1a8-62589434a581_story.html

This is the sort of thing that should piss off everyone, but unfortunately these stories tend to get buried.
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:40 am

There are several states with more opioid prescriptions than people.

It's so prolific, that pills are currency in poor communities.
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby NYBF » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:48 am

Just say no!
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby PrimeMinister » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:49 am

I saw that story on 60 minutes yesterday.
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby PrimeMinister » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:49 am

Btw when does crack get declared a national health emergency?
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby bucfanclw » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:18 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:There are several states with more opioid prescriptions than people.

It's so prolific, that pills are currency in poor communities.

In the story, West Virginia had enough pills to cover 433 doses for every man, woman, and child in the state. But God forbid someone have a half ounce of weed. Laws only apply to the people. The rich and corporations go unpunished.
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby Kress » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:29 am

PrimeMinister wrote:Btw when does crack get declared a national health emergency?


When your drug dealer isn't a doctor? The whole "first do no harm" thing. A crack dealer is just a crack dealer. You can't regulate it. A doctor handing out roxies like candy, you should be able to do something about.

But for what it's worth, crack isn't that big anymore. Heroin, cut with a bunch of Phentanol for the apparent purpose of ****ing you up to the point of overdosing you, meth, and pills. Doctor prescribed pills. That last part is the problem.

You can't regulate meth. Or heroin. Or crack. You can regulate doctors, supposedly. At least we can also attempt to regulate pot now.
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby Deja Entendu » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:48 pm

Kress wrote:
PrimeMinister wrote:Btw when does crack get declared a national health emergency?


When your drug dealer isn't a doctor? The whole "first do no harm" thing. A crack dealer is just a crack dealer. You can't regulate it. A doctor handing out roxies like candy, you should be able to do something about.

But for what it's worth, crack isn't that big anymore. Heroin, cut with a bunch of Phentanol for the apparent purpose of ****ing you up to the point of overdosing you, meth, and pills. Doctor prescribed pills. That last part is the problem.

You can't regulate meth. Or heroin. Or crack. You can regulate doctors, supposedly. At least we can also attempt to regulate pot now.


It's also estimated that 80% of heroin users started with pills, but couldn't maintain the high cost.

Also, Fentanyl is a drug that can be regulated which (as you stated) has become a common cut for heroin to increase the potency.

The government not only doesn't do enough to help, they're very much culpable. It's despicable.
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby The Outsider » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:12 pm

That's it, this **** is reaching comic book levels of preposterous. When do we get a vigilante hero? Hell, at this point I'd settle for the Punisher.
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby Deja Entendu » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:46 pm

The Outsider wrote:That's it, this **** is reaching comic book levels of preposterous. When do we get a vigilante hero? Hell, at this point I'd settle for the Punisher.


I'd help fund a vigilante task force.
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby Noles1724 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:32 am

Deja Entendu wrote:
Kress wrote:
When your drug dealer isn't a doctor? The whole "first do no harm" thing. A crack dealer is just a crack dealer. You can't regulate it. A doctor handing out roxies like candy, you should be able to do something about.

But for what it's worth, crack isn't that big anymore. Heroin, cut with a bunch of Phentanol for the apparent purpose of ****ing you up to the point of overdosing you, meth, and pills. Doctor prescribed pills. That last part is the problem.

You can't regulate meth. Or heroin. Or crack. You can regulate doctors, supposedly. At least we can also attempt to regulate pot now.


It's also estimated that 80% of heroin users started with pills, but couldn't maintain the high cost.

Also, Fentanyl is a drug that can be regulated which (as you stated) has become a common cut for heroin to increase the potency.

The government not only doesn't do enough to help, they're very much culpable. It's despicable.


yup, heroin usage is skyrocketing because of the pill push.. it's a tenth cheaper and I believe more potent.. but the dependency of it all started with a piece of paper and a slopping signature.

weed is a gateway drug to ruining your life.. un no sir, that would be pills being pushed by "respected" businesses.

hell one could argue that the reason why mary jane in FL is still illegal (yeah yeah a vote passed.. have you seen the restrictions.. not to mention not one dispensary has been opened) is because FL is a nest egg for pharmaceutical companies with all the senior citizens.
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby The Outsider » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:54 pm

Noles1724 wrote:
Deja Entendu wrote:
It's also estimated that 80% of heroin users started with pills, but couldn't maintain the high cost.

Also, Fentanyl is a drug that can be regulated which (as you stated) has become a common cut for heroin to increase the potency.

The government not only doesn't do enough to help, they're very much culpable. It's despicable.


yup, heroin usage is skyrocketing because of the pill push.. it's a tenth cheaper and I believe more potent.. but the dependency of it all started with a piece of paper and a slopping signature.

weed is a gateway drug to ruining your life.. un no sir, that would be pills being pushed by "respected" businesses.

hell one could argue that the reason why mary jane in FL is still illegal (yeah yeah a vote passed.. have you seen the restrictions.. not to mention not one dispensary has been opened) is because FL is a nest egg for pharmaceutical companies with all the senior citizens.



It's 99% the senior citizens. The older ones (in their 70s, 80s, and 90s) are quite possibly the most naive subset of our population outside of children and adolescents. They're still afraid of pot because it was vilified when they were kids. Also, they don't care about the younger generations or the future. Frankly I can't wait until most of them are gone.
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:05 pm

So you can be old and not care about future generations?

:P
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby Deja Entendu » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:24 pm

Noles1724 wrote:
Deja Entendu wrote:
It's also estimated that 80% of heroin users started with pills, but couldn't maintain the high cost.

Also, Fentanyl is a drug that can be regulated which (as you stated) has become a common cut for heroin to increase the potency.

The government not only doesn't do enough to help, they're very much culpable. It's despicable.


yup, heroin usage is skyrocketing because of the pill push.. it's a tenth cheaper and I believe more potent.. but the dependency of it all started with a piece of paper and a slopping signature.

weed is a gateway drug to ruining your life.. un no sir, that would be pills being pushed by "respected" businesses.

hell one could argue that the reason why mary jane in FL is still illegal (yeah yeah a vote passed.. have you seen the restrictions.. not to mention not one dispensary has been opened) is because FL is a nest egg for pharmaceutical companies with all the senior citizens.


The pill push, as you called it, also coincided with the "War on Terror" which allowed Afghanistan to produce opium at insane rates. It was the perfect storm.

Ironically for as evil as the Taliban are/were, they actually incentivized the farmers to grow food instead of drugs, and the farmers did just that. Once that incentive was gone, they followed the $ and created the worlds largest opium supply. Our government not only stands by, they've fueled it. Thanks, Uncle Sam.

In my opinion, the US's backdoor support for the drug trade, and thus the drug problem in our country, is one of the most shameful aspects of our nation's history.
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby deltbucs » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:51 pm

Deja Entendu wrote:
Noles1724 wrote:
yup, heroin usage is skyrocketing because of the pill push.. it's a tenth cheaper and I believe more potent.. but the dependency of it all started with a piece of paper and a slopping signature.

weed is a gateway drug to ruining your life.. un no sir, that would be pills being pushed by "respected" businesses.

hell one could argue that the reason why mary jane in FL is still illegal (yeah yeah a vote passed.. have you seen the restrictions.. not to mention not one dispensary has been opened) is because FL is a nest egg for pharmaceutical companies with all the senior citizens.


The pill push, as you called it, also coincided with the "War on Terror" which allowed Afghanistan to produce opium at insane rates. It was the perfect storm.

Ironically for as evil as the Taliban are/were, they actually incentivized the farmers to grow food instead of drugs, and the farmers did just that. Once that incentive was gone, they followed the $ and created the worlds largest opium supply. Our government not only stands by, they've fueled it. Thanks, Uncle Sam.

In my opinion, the US's backdoor support for the drug trade, and thus the drug problem in our country, is one of the most shameful aspects of our nation's history.

^^^^
We even have soldiers protecting the poppy fields that are used to produce heroin in Afghanistan. "War on Terror" indeed....
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Re: Opiod Crisis

Postby The Outsider » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:00 am

Zarniwoop wrote:So you can be old and not care about future generations?

:P



**** yeah, I got mine!
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