Phantom Phenom wrote:Miami Marlins ace Jose Fernandez was killed in a boating accident in Florida early Sunday mo
NYBF wrote:He has gotten such a raw deal from MLB. It's embarrassing. I don't want to hear **** about steroids. Him and McGwire going head to head that summer is what saved baseball. And McGwire has a job.
PlinkoBuccaneer wrote:Dodgers just acquired Curtis Granderson from the N.Y. Mets for minor leagers.
acmillis wrote:PlinkoBuccaneer wrote:Dodgers just acquired Curtis Granderson from the N.Y. Mets for minor leagers.
I'll never understand this. If the trade deadline was a month ago (or whenever it was), how the hell can players still be getting traded?
Swashy wrote:Rich Hill just had his perfect game taken from him by the manager. And a hit as I type this. Wow.... that's some ****.
Phantom Phenom wrote:Stanton now has 45 homeruns and on pace for 61
IMO 61 is the record
This article explain why
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2040 ... ord-anyway
NYBF wrote:Phantom Phenom wrote:Stanton now has 45 homeruns and on pace for 61
IMO 61 is the record
This article explain why
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2040 ... ord-anyway
This article does not "explain why" 61 is the record. That article actually makes a better case for 60, 43, and 37 than for 61. And that being said, if there's no 70/66 there's no MLB today, so Stanton can take his "legitimate" record and shove it up his ass. He should be sucking Sosa's **** for making baseball relevant in 1998 so he could have a job in 2017 that pays him $300 million.
Alpha wrote:NYBF wrote:
This article does not "explain why" 61 is the record. That article actually makes a better case for 60, 43, and 37 than for 61. And that being said, if there's no 70/66 there's no MLB today, so Stanton can take his "legitimate" record and shove it up his ass. He should be sucking Sosa's **** for making baseball relevant in 1998 so he could have a job in 2017 that pays him $300 million.
You've made this argument before...and financially, I agree completely.
That said...nobody in their right mind would consider 73 (or whatever) HR's a legitimate record.
Frankly...I have no dog in the fight. I could give zero fucks about baseball...but I do pay attention to sports (in general). 2 guys who were obviously juicing, have no claim to any official record, IMO.
NYBF wrote:Alpha wrote:
You've made this argument before...and financially, I agree completely.
That said...nobody in their right mind would consider 73 (or whatever) HR's a legitimate record.
Frankly...I have no dog in the fight. I could give zero fucks about baseball...but I do pay attention to sports (in general). 2 guys who were obviously juicing, have no claim to any official record, IMO.
So we're giving Maris a pass for playing in an era when amphetamines were prevalent in baseball? Or ignoring the likelihood that the people pitching to McGwire / Sosa / Bonds were also juicing?
NYBF wrote:Alpha wrote:
You've made this argument before...and financially, I agree completely.
That said...nobody in their right mind would consider 73 (or whatever) HR's a legitimate record.
Frankly...I have no dog in the fight. I could give zero fucks about baseball...but I do pay attention to sports (in general). 2 guys who were obviously juicing, have no claim to any official record, IMO.
So we're giving Maris a pass for playing in an era when amphetamines were prevalent in baseball? Or ignoring the likelihood that the people pitching to McGwire / Sosa / Bonds were also juicing?
Alpha wrote:If you can persuade me that taking amphetamines constitutes a "performance enhancing" drug, I'll reconsider...
Amphetamines share many central nervous system effects with cocaine. However, unlike cocaine, amphetamines are not readily broken down by the body and are eliminated unchanged in the urine. Consequently, the stimulative effects of amphetamines last considerably longer than that of cocaine.
NYBF wrote:Alpha wrote:If you can persuade me that taking amphetamines constitutes a "performance enhancing" drug, I'll reconsider...
https://espn.go.com/special/s/drugsands ... mphet.htmlAmphetamines share many central nervous system effects with cocaine. However, unlike cocaine, amphetamines are not readily broken down by the body and are eliminated unchanged in the urine. Consequently, the stimulative effects of amphetamines last considerably longer than that of cocaine.
I know I sure loved watching Doc Gooden pitch while he was coked up.
Alpha wrote:
Now...where do you draw the line? Do you just allow everything and that's it? Do you allow everything until someone get's caught? I guess my point is...IF you want to include every achievement in the game, regardless of the route taken to achieve it...then why bother with drug testing at all? Conversely...if you're going to have drug testing, then what are the (STATISTICAL) repercussions of failing a test? Obviously, they're suspended (loss of pay, etc.) I'm talking strictly "records" here...
Phantom Phenom wrote:Tigers traded Verlamder to Astros
NYBF wrote:Alpha wrote:
Now...where do you draw the line? Do you just allow everything and that's it? Do you allow everything until someone get's caught? I guess my point is...IF you want to include every achievement in the game, regardless of the route taken to achieve it...then why bother with drug testing at all? Conversely...if you're going to have drug testing, then what are the (STATISTICAL) repercussions of failing a test? Obviously, they're suspended (loss of pay, etc.) I'm talking strictly "records" here...
That I don't know. And that's something that can be argued forever. Do you need anything to mark the records? Will we ever have a time when someone isn't telling the story of what the three of them took? And how "pure" baseball was at one point? No. Leave all that stuff up to the fans to talk about. Not for the employees to talk about.
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