** Official MLB Thread **

[Swashy]

Rich Hill just had his perfect game taken from him by the manager. And a hit as I type this. Wow.... that's some ****.

[Phantom Phenom]

Miami Marlins ace Jose Fernandez was killed in a boating accident in Florida early Sunday mo

[EnochRoot]

Miami Marlins ace Jose Fernandez was killed in a boating accident in Florida early Sunday mo

Horrible news.

[Ken Carson]

So sad. Jose was one of the best young arms in baseball and actually had a personality. Heartbreaking incident and it appears there were several other victims in this accident.

[terrytate]

Bad day for sports all around. We started by losing a great young talent and personality and ended by losing a legend.

[DreadNaught]

So this is what Sammy Sosa looks like today. No really...

[NYBF]

He has gotten such a raw deal from MLB. It's embarrassing. I don't want to hear **** about steroids. Him and McGwire going head to head that summer is what saved baseball. And McGwire has a job.

[Phantom Phenom]

Source: Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria finalizing agreement to sell team to group including Derek Jeter

Pretty sure they're going to change colors and logo

[NYBF]

He has gotten such a raw deal from MLB. It's embarrassing. I don't want to hear **** about steroids. Him and McGwire going head to head that summer is what saved baseball. And McGwire has a job.

This is the **** I'm talking about.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2029 ... tters-most

[Phantom Phenom]

Stanton now has 42 homeruns on the 2017 season


6th straight game with home run

23 homeruns in 35 games

[Zarniwoop]

Not MLB but baseball related


Cool story on a trick play.

And I'll be honest, i played baseball for 2 years in college and I learned something about a baserunning rule I had never known was formalized as it is


http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2029 ... e-baseball

[PlinkoBuccaneer]

Dodgers just acquired Curtis Granderson from the N.Y. Mets for minor leagers.

[acmillis]

Dodgers just acquired Curtis Granderson from the N.Y. Mets for minor leagers.

I'll never understand this. If the trade deadline was a month ago (or whenever it was), how the hell can players still be getting traded?

[NYBF]

Dodgers just acquired Curtis Granderson from the N.Y. Mets for minor leagers.

I'll never understand this. If the trade deadline was a month ago (or whenever it was), how the hell can players still be getting traded?

Non-waiver trade deadline was ~1 month ago. Once that deadline passes, teams begin to put their players on trade (or revocable) waivers. Teams do this with nearly every player, so it's fun to watch fans freak out when a beat writer leaks that Player X was placed on waivers.

Once this process starts, a few things can happen:

Player X gets claimed. His team now has 3 options:
1) Let the player go to the claiming team for nothing. Claiming team assumes the remainder of the player's contract in full. This rarely happens.
EDIT: At the exact same time I hit submit on this post, the Mets announce this: https://twitter.com/Mets/status/898930303628173312
2) Work out a trade with the claiming team. Since the claiming team was awarded the claim, the two teams have 48 hours to work out a deal. This is kind of rare, but it does happen sometimes.
3) The team revokes the waivers. This is the most common outcome. If a player is claimed and no deal is worked out, the player has to stay with the team the rest of the year.

Player X clears waivers. No team claimed the player. He is now able to be traded at any point during the rest of the season to any team. Since the postseason roster deadline is Sept 1, this essentially makes the waiver trade deadline August 31.

[Phantom Phenom]

Stanton now has 45 homeruns and on pace for 61

IMO 61 is the record

This article explain why

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2040 ... ord-anyway

[Alpha]

Rich Hill just had his perfect game taken from him by the manager. And a hit as I type this. Wow.... that's some ****.

Apparently, Rich Hill has made is (now) annual, "Almost a no-hitter" appearance.

Who is this ****ing guy? Literally, the first time I heard his name was in this post.

The SECOND time I heard his name was tonight...by blowing a no-no in the 10th!

[NYBF]

Stanton now has 45 homeruns and on pace for 61

IMO 61 is the record

This article explain why

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2040 ... ord-anyway

This article does not "explain why" 61 is the record. That article actually makes a better case for 60, 43, and 37 than for 61. And that being said, if there's no 70/66 there's no MLB today, so Stanton can take his "legitimate" record and shove it up his ass. He should be sucking Sosa's **** for making baseball relevant in 1998 so he could have a job in 2017 that pays him $300 million.

[Alpha]

Stanton now has 45 homeruns and on pace for 61

IMO 61 is the record

This article explain why

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2040 ... ord-anyway

This article does not "explain why" 61 is the record. That article actually makes a better case for 60, 43, and 37 than for 61. And that being said, if there's no 70/66 there's no MLB today, so Stanton can take his "legitimate" record and shove it up his ass. He should be sucking Sosa's **** for making baseball relevant in 1998 so he could have a job in 2017 that pays him $300 million.

You've made this argument before...and financially, I agree completely.

That said...nobody in their right mind would consider 73 (or whatever) HR's a legitimate record.

Frankly...I have no dog in the fight. I could give zero fucks about baseball...but I do pay attention to sports (in general). 2 guys who were obviously juicing, have no claim to any official record, IMO.

[NYBF]

This article does not "explain why" 61 is the record. That article actually makes a better case for 60, 43, and 37 than for 61. And that being said, if there's no 70/66 there's no MLB today, so Stanton can take his "legitimate" record and shove it up his ass. He should be sucking Sosa's **** for making baseball relevant in 1998 so he could have a job in 2017 that pays him $300 million.

You've made this argument before...and financially, I agree completely.

That said...nobody in their right mind would consider 73 (or whatever) HR's a legitimate record.

Frankly...I have no dog in the fight. I could give zero fucks about baseball...but I do pay attention to sports (in general). 2 guys who were obviously juicing, have no claim to any official record, IMO.

So we're giving Maris a pass for playing in an era when amphetamines were prevalent in baseball? Or ignoring the likelihood that the people pitching to McGwire / Sosa / Bonds were also juicing?

[acmillis]

You've made this argument before...and financially, I agree completely.

That said...nobody in their right mind would consider 73 (or whatever) HR's a legitimate record.

Frankly...I have no dog in the fight. I could give zero fucks about baseball...but I do pay attention to sports (in general). 2 guys who were obviously juicing, have no claim to any official record, IMO.

So we're giving Maris a pass for playing in an era when amphetamines were prevalent in baseball? Or ignoring the likelihood that the people pitching to McGwire / Sosa / Bonds were also juicing?

This is my take as well. Records are records regardless of whether we know they were "cheating" or not. Guys are still cheating today and not getting caught. No matter the record old or new, it will always be met with skepticism.

[Phantom Phenom]

Stanton hit 50 yesterday.. on pace for 63

[PlinkoBuccaneer]

Rangers and Astros going to play their series at the Trop beginning Tuesday Night. Admission $1.00.

[Alpha]

You've made this argument before...and financially, I agree completely.

That said...nobody in their right mind would consider 73 (or whatever) HR's a legitimate record.

Frankly...I have no dog in the fight. I could give zero fucks about baseball...but I do pay attention to sports (in general). 2 guys who were obviously juicing, have no claim to any official record, IMO.

So we're giving Maris a pass for playing in an era when amphetamines were prevalent in baseball? Or ignoring the likelihood that the people pitching to McGwire / Sosa / Bonds were also juicing?

The Maris argument is weak. The key term would be "performance enhancing".

If you can persuade me that taking amphetamines constitutes a "performance enhancing" drug, I'll reconsider...but they aren't.

And hey...if a pitcher is using (I'm looking at you Roger Clemens), they're out too.

Listen...you either draw a line somewhere...or have no line. I prefer to have a line.

[Phantom Phenom]

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[NYBF]

If you can persuade me that taking amphetamines constitutes a "performance enhancing" drug, I'll reconsider...

https://espn.go.com/special/s/drugsands ... mphet.html

Amphetamines share many central nervous system effects with cocaine. However, unlike cocaine, amphetamines are not readily broken down by the body and are eliminated unchanged in the urine. Consequently, the stimulative effects of amphetamines last considerably longer than that of cocaine.

I know I sure loved watching Doc Gooden pitch while he was coked up.

[Alpha]

If you can persuade me that taking amphetamines constitutes a "performance enhancing" drug, I'll reconsider...

https://espn.go.com/special/s/drugsands ... mphet.html

Amphetamines share many central nervous system effects with cocaine. However, unlike cocaine, amphetamines are not readily broken down by the body and are eliminated unchanged in the urine. Consequently, the stimulative effects of amphetamines last considerably longer than that of cocaine.

I know I sure loved watching Doc Gooden pitch while he was coked up.

Ok.

So amphetamines (essentially) allow a player to play through, what might otherwise be, a debilitating injury. Which is what I've always said about "steroids". The MAIN effect of these drugs, aren't to (necessarily) allow a player to "play better" (i.e. hit, pitch, field, etc.)

Ok. Sold. In that sense, they are "performance enhancing". Especially in a game like baseball, where you're playing constantly, with few days off, for an extended period of time...and nicks and dings are common.

Now...where do you draw the line? Do you just allow everything and that's it? Do you allow everything until someone get's caught? I guess my point is...IF you want to include every achievement in the game, regardless of the route taken to achieve it...then why bother with drug testing at all? Conversely...if you're going to have drug testing, then what are the (STATISTICAL) repercussions of failing a test? Obviously, they're suspended (loss of pay, etc.) I'm talking strictly "records" here...

[NYBF]

Now...where do you draw the line? Do you just allow everything and that's it? Do you allow everything until someone get's caught? I guess my point is...IF you want to include every achievement in the game, regardless of the route taken to achieve it...then why bother with drug testing at all? Conversely...if you're going to have drug testing, then what are the (STATISTICAL) repercussions of failing a test? Obviously, they're suspended (loss of pay, etc.) I'm talking strictly "records" here...

That I don't know. And that's something that can be argued forever. Do you need anything to mark the records? Will we ever have a time when someone isn't telling the story of what the three of them took? And how "pure" baseball was at one point? No. Leave all that stuff up to the fans to talk about. Not for the employees to talk about.

[Phantom Phenom]

Tigers traded Verlander to Astros

[Alpha]

Tigers traded Verlamder to Astros

Who?

[Alpha]

Now...where do you draw the line? Do you just allow everything and that's it? Do you allow everything until someone get's caught? I guess my point is...IF you want to include every achievement in the game, regardless of the route taken to achieve it...then why bother with drug testing at all? Conversely...if you're going to have drug testing, then what are the (STATISTICAL) repercussions of failing a test? Obviously, they're suspended (loss of pay, etc.) I'm talking strictly "records" here...

That I don't know. And that's something that can be argued forever. Do you need anything to mark the records? Will we ever have a time when someone isn't telling the story of what the three of them took? And how "pure" baseball was at one point? No. Leave all that stuff up to the fans to talk about. Not for the employees to talk about.

The solution is simple:

1) Allow loaded bats.

2) Lower the mound back to the pre-70's height.

3) No batting helmets.


Let the players take whatever drug they like...cause if you're brave enough to stand in against THAT...you need to be on drugs for sure.
It still amazes me, seeing Ruth stand in there, with no batting helmet. Those fuckers were nuts...