Super K wrote:Not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule Teitan..But in both of the cases above, those guys didn't parlay horrible careers into immediate coaching positions...
In fact, I'd say that both their careers were more successful than McCown's..
Pass attempts: 298
Pass completions: 173
Percentage: 58.1
Yards: 1,920
TD–INT: 14–16
Passer rating:
Teitan wrote:Super K wrote:Not saying there aren't exceptions to the rule Teitan..But in both of the cases above, those guys didn't parlay horrible careers into immediate coaching positions...
In fact, I'd say that both their careers were more successful than McCown's..Pass attempts: 298
Pass completions: 173
Percentage: 58.1
Yards: 1,920
TD–INT: 14–16
Passer rating:
That's Kubiak's numbers. I don't know that you could call it more successful.
Also, Kubiak, like MANY others started coaching a different position than he played. I believe he started as a RB coach. I think your theory of "what have you accomplished" doesn't hold much weight when it comes to coaching.
Just look at Raheem Morris, switched to coach offense last season and seems to be excelling. He doesn't have any accomplishments as an offensive player or coach and was able to do fine coaching WRs.
Super K wrote:Teitan, if you are just going to look at stats you are correct..However I think more goes under the umbrella of "accomplishments" than just stats and you are selling Kubiak short..
Kubiak spent his entire playing career (9years) on 1 team backing up one of the all time greats at QB (Elway)..
He was a part of 3 AFC championship and SB teams..
He played under a near legendary coach (Reeves) whom is one of the few coaches to take 2 different teams to the SB..
He then went on to be a college RB coach at aTm before returning to the pros as a QB coach, then OC before becoming a HC..
The guys has 4 SB rings..
This compared to McCown whom has played for 10 different teams in his professional career (including one UFL team)..He is the definition of a journeyman..
Now, as I said before, if McCown were to come to my son's HS as a coach or become part of a college staff I can see his mentorship and coaching holding weight...
But if I'm an NFL QB or team, what he brings to the table means jack ****..
Teitan wrote:Super K wrote:Teitan, if you are just going to look at stats you are correct..However I think more goes under the umbrella of "accomplishments" than just stats and you are selling Kubiak short..
Kubiak spent his entire playing career (9years) on 1 team backing up one of the all time greats at QB (Elway)..
He was a part of 3 AFC championship and SB teams..
He played under a near legendary coach (Reeves) whom is one of the few coaches to take 2 different teams to the SB..
He then went on to be a college RB coach at aTm before returning to the pros as a QB coach, then OC before becoming a HC..
The guys has 4 SB rings..
This compared to McCown whom has played for 10 different teams in his professional career (including one UFL team)..He is the definition of a journeyman..
Now, as I said before, if McCown were to come to my son's HS as a coach or become part of a college staff I can see his mentorship and coaching holding weight...
But if I'm an NFL QB or team, what he brings to the table means jack ****..
My point is, Kubiak didn't do **** as a player and was able to be an effective, Super Bowl winning coach. Same for Garrett sans Super Bowl. Neither had to go coach your kids high school.
Jason Garrett went on to coach QBs in Miami one year after finishing is 15 year journeyman QB career, with not even 300 pass attempts, and that didn't seem to be an issue for him.
I'm not trying to drag on an argument with you, but I think your "You didn't do anything as a player so you have to start coaching in high school" thing is silly.
Super K wrote:Teitan wrote:
My point is, Kubiak didn't do **** as a player and was able to be an effective, Super Bowl winning coach. Same for Garrett sans Super Bowl. Neither had to go coach your kids high school.
Jason Garrett went on to coach QBs in Miami one year after finishing is 15 year journeyman QB career, with not even 300 pass attempts, and that didn't seem to be an issue for him.
I'm not trying to drag on an argument with you, but I think your "You didn't do anything as a player so you have to start coaching in high school" thing is silly.
Fair enough..And as I originally said, there are exceptions to the rule (obviously it's my rule)..
I just don't think McCown is one of them..
And no argument here..I can have a civilized debate/disagreement without going nuclear..I enjoy the discussion..I mean, that's what this board is for right?..It'd be pretty damn boring if we all agreed with one another...
MJW wrote:Super K wrote:
Why the **** would any team want McCown to mentor anyone?
The guy had a good 6-8 game run..that's it..Other than that.. SUCKAGE..
McCown got signed before CK too.
He must have some GREAT tape.
Bootz2004 wrote:MJW wrote:
McCown got signed before CK too.
He must have some GREAT tape.
Who signed McCown sweetheart?
EJ Manuel's time in Buffalo has come to a close.
The former Bills quarterback signed a deal with the Oakland Raiders on Monday, the team announced.
Terms of the deal were not disclosed.
Manuel will serve as depth in the quarterback room behind starter Derek Carr.
While the Raiders also have second-year arm Connor Cook, adding Manuel all but guarantees Matt McGloin is headed out of Oakland for good.
Manuel was nothing short of a major disappointment for the Bills, who made the former Florida State star the 16th overall pick of the 2013 NFL Draft.
In Oakland, he's no guarantee to beat out Cook for the No. 2 role.
With just 17 starts over the past four seasons, Manuel's days as a first-string passer are over.
It's up to the Raiders to make him a functional player -- something the Bills never achieved.
Phantom Phenom wrote:Jets signed Josh McCown to contract
Phantom Phenom wrote:Jets signed Josh McCown to contract
Bootz2004 wrote:MJW wrote:
McCown got signed before CK too.
He must have some GREAT tape.
Who signed McCown sweetheart?
Nano wrote:Will the New York Jets select Josh Rosen or Sam Darnold with the 1st overall pick in 2018?
Jets signed QB Josh McCown to a one-year deal worth $6 million fully guaranteed plus $2M in playtime incentives – $125K for each game he plays 50% of the snaps in and $5M in team incentives: playoffs, SB, SB win.
Buc2 wrote:Jets signed QB Josh McCown to a one-year deal worth $6 million fully guaranteed plus $2M in playtime incentives – $125K for each game he plays 50% of the snaps in and $5M in team incentives: playoffs, SB, SB win.
BucaRican wrote:Buc2 wrote:
DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Buc2 wrote:BucaRican wrote:
DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!
They felt safe offering $5M for something they know won't happen.
PrimeMinister wrote:Buc2 wrote:They felt safe offering $5M for something they know won't happen.
Smokescreen hiding their true intentions of locking up the #1 pick.
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