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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Deuce » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:51 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
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Bro, fantasy football might not be your forte.


Care to explain or did you just want to type some words?


Uh, he had over 700 yards and 8 TD's on the ground last year. 2 TDs on the ground already this year.

And who cares if he is passing game dependent? They're going to throw to him. The Saints always throw to their RBs. He's a lock for 3-4 catches per game. People are regretting letting him fall to RB6. He's a top RB and he's probably RB1 until Ingram gets back.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Bootz2004 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:58 am

Deuce wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Care to explain or did you just want to type some words?


Uh, he had over 700 yards and 8 TD's on the ground last year. 2 TDs on the ground already this year.

And who cares if he is passing game dependent? They're going to throw to him. The Saints always throw to their RBs. He's a lock for 3-4 catches per game. People are regretting letting him fall to RB6. He's a top RB and he's probably RB1 until Ingram gets back.


His rushing totals are the issue. Where guys like Gurley and Gordon and Bell and Zeke are threats in the running AND passing game, Kamara is more risky because he is so passing game dependent from the RB position. He's also TD dependent. 700 yards on the ground from a starting RB is risky.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:02 am

Deuce wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Care to explain or did you just want to type some words?


Uh, he had over 700 yards and 8 TD's on the ground last year. 2 TDs on the ground already this year.

And who cares if he is passing game dependent? They're going to throw to him. The Saints always throw to their RBs. He's a lock for 3-4 catches per game. People are regretting letting him fall to RB6. He's a top RB and he's probably RB1 until Ingram gets back.


Kamara is certainly an RB1 in fantasy with Ingram out since Kamara is getting all the red zone and goal line touches now. Ingram will vulture some of those goalline TDs once he returns.

That said, Kamara is a guy the Saints want to get 15-20 touches a game, so from a fantasy perspective that has alot of value. Especially a player as dynamic as Kamara. Him being pass game dependent is an irrelevant point in terms of fantasy value since receiving yards count just the same as rushing.

Compare Kamara's projected total scrimmage yards to that of any RB1. Sure he may only get 700yds rushing, but he'll get atleast that many receiving (he'll likely have the most receiving yards of any NFL RB). So if he can score around 10 TDs to go along with his 1500 or so total scrimmage yards it puts him in the RB1 class for fantasy imo
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Deuce » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:55 am

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Deuce wrote:
Uh, he had over 700 yards and 8 TD's on the ground last year. 2 TDs on the ground already this year.

And who cares if he is passing game dependent? They're going to throw to him. The Saints always throw to their RBs. He's a lock for 3-4 catches per game. People are regretting letting him fall to RB6. He's a top RB and he's probably RB1 until Ingram gets back.


Kamara is certainly an RB1 in fantasy with Ingram out since Kamara is getting all the red zone and goal line touches now. Ingram will vulture some of those goalline TDs once he returns.

That said, Kamara is a guy the Saints want to get 15-20 touches a game, so from a fantasy perspective that has alot of value. Especially a player as dynamic as Kamara. Him being pass game dependent is an irrelevant point in terms of fantasy value since receiving yards count just the same as rushing.

Compare Kamara's projected total scrimmage yards to that of any RB1. Sure he may only get 700yds rushing, but he'll get atleast that many receiving (he'll likely have the most receiving yards of any NFL RB). So if he can score around 10 TDs to go along with his 1500 or so total scrimmage yards it puts him in the RB1 class for fantasy imo


The way you wrote this and quoted me makes it a little confusing. Were you just adding on to what I said or slightly disagreeing? Or were you posting to disagree with Bootz?
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Brazen331 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:14 pm

Bootz is right in that RBs with Kamara’s profile are not RB 1s. Kamara is s special case, though. He remains there even when Ingram comes back IMO. He is just so dangerous after the catch.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Bootz2004 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:51 pm

Brazen331 wrote:Bootz is right in that RBs with Kamara’s profile are not RB 1s. Kamara is s special case, though. He remains there even when Ingram comes back IMO. He is just so dangerous after the catch.


He is a special case. Very special. But at the same time he's a risky case because you know he will be limited in his touches. For as great as he was last season he did it all on 212 touches. That's it. That's not the volume I'd like to see from a RB1. Now granted he absolutely makes the most of his touches better than any other player in the league. But once teams start figuring him out I think he'll have a hard time keeping up the same level.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:11 pm

How many total scrimmage yards is a realistic expectation for Kamara? Couple that with his TD total?

He's a low end RB1 in fantasy. Especially in a ppr league.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Deuce » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:36 am

DreadNaught wrote:How many total scrimmage yards is a realistic expectation for Kamara? Couple that with his TD total?

He's a low end RB1 in fantasy. Especially in a ppr league.


I'd be shocked if he finished the year with less than 1,300 total yards and 10 total touchdowns. Keep in mind, he already has about 150 and 3.

Last year, 6 RB's put up those numbers, including him. An RB1 should be in the top 10/12, he's easily there.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby acmillis » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:40 am

DreadNaught wrote:How many total scrimmage yards is a realistic expectation for Kamara? Couple that with his TD total?

He's a low end RB1 in fantasy. Especially in a ppr league.

I'd think 1600 total yards and total 8 TD's is realistic with 60 receptions.

In our league that would give him a total of 238 total points, 15/week....works for me.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Buc2 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:28 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:Bootz is right in that RBs with Kamara’s profile are not RB 1s. Kamara is s special case, though. He remains there even when Ingram comes back IMO. He is just so dangerous after the catch.


He is a special case. Very special. But at the same time he's a risky case because you know he will be limited in his touches. For as great as he was last season he did it all on 212 touches. That's it. That's not the volume I'd like to see from a RB1. Now granted he absolutely makes the most of his touches better than any other player in the league. But once teams start figuring him out I think he'll have a hard time keeping up the same level.

I think he's a better fit in the W/R/T spot.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Deuce » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:15 am

There HAS to be some Anti-Saints feeling going around here. I refuse to believe this board is this inept at fantasy football.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:20 am

Buc2 wrote:
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He is a special case. Very special. But at the same time he's a risky case because you know he will be limited in his touches. For as great as he was last season he did it all on 212 touches. That's it. That's not the volume I'd like to see from a RB1. Now granted he absolutely makes the most of his touches better than any other player in the league. But once teams start figuring him out I think he'll have a hard time keeping up the same level.

I think he's a better fit in the W/R/T spot.


The points count the same regardless of whether Kamara is a flex or RB in a fantasy line-up. No clue what you're saying here..
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:24 am

Deuce wrote:There HAS to be some Anti-Saints feeling going around here. I refuse to believe this board is this inept at fantasy football.


It's simple math. Kamara's projected scrimmage yards + TD's make him an RB1 in FF unless you think there are 12 RBs that would account for more. In which case he's still a top tier RB2.

It makes no difference if he gets less rushing but more receiving yards than a normal RB when it comes to fantasy scoring. 10yds = 1point just the same.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Buc2 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:27 am

DreadNaught wrote:
Buc2 wrote:I think he's a better fit in the W/R/T spot.


The points count the same regardless of whether Kamara is a flex or RB in a fantasy line-up. No clue what you're saying here..

It mean you can start 3 quality, high point RB's (if you have 3 that is). It would be like having an extra high point WR on your active roster. Of course, if you already have 3 high point WR's, you don't need him there. If not, then what's the discussion matter anyway? But, **** it, drop him for all I care.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Deuce » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:36 am

DreadNaught wrote:
Deuce wrote:There HAS to be some Anti-Saints feeling going around here. I refuse to believe this board is this inept at fantasy football.


It's simple math. Kamara's projected scrimmage yards + TD's make him an RB1 in FF unless you think there are 12 RBs that would account for more. In which case he's still a top tier RB2.

It makes no difference if he gets less rushing but more receiving yards than a normal RB when it comes to fantasy scoring. 10yds = 1point just the same.


That's exactly my point but you keep posting as if you're disagreeing with me.

And idk what Buc2 is even talking about.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:13 am

Deuce wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
It's simple math. Kamara's projected scrimmage yards + TD's make him an RB1 in FF unless you think there are 12 RBs that would account for more. In which case he's still a top tier RB2.

It makes no difference if he gets less rushing but more receiving yards than a normal RB when it comes to fantasy scoring. 10yds = 1point just the same.


That's exactly my point but you keep posting as if you're disagreeing with me.


Maybe you're misinterpreting my posts. Just b/c I respond or quote you doesn't mean I disagree. I may be expounding is all.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Deuce » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:09 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Deuce wrote:
That's exactly my point but you keep posting as if you're disagreeing with me.


Maybe you're misinterpreting my posts. Just b/c I respond or quote you doesn't mean I disagree. I may be expounding is all.


lol idk it was just you quoting me and saying something slightly different without any indication of agreement. But yeah, we're on the same page.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby uscbucsfan » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:50 pm

12 team league. Should I drop Rashaad Penny for Phillip Lindsay?
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:54 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:12 team league. Should I drop Rashaad Penny for Phillip Lindsay?


Reported!!

I think Penny may emerge as the #1 RB for Seattle, but Lindsay has more value right now imo
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby uscbucsfan » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:56 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:12 team league. Should I drop Rashaad Penny for Phillip Lindsay?


Reported!!

I think Penny may emerge as the #1 RB for Seattle, but Lindsay has more value right now imo

I see it's the wrong thread. That's where I'm at. Penny was in on a ton of snaps, but Seattle's line was just garbage. Lindsey could be like early version of Sproles who was sometimes used a ton and sometimes not at all. I'M TORN. I have Ingram (suspended) and Barber on the bench...so I don't have great RB depth.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Phantom Phenom » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:29 pm

Victory!

Sorry ich
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby IchabodCrane84 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:12 pm

Phantom Phenom wrote:Victory!

Sorry ich


In the words of Derrick Brooks... We'll be back.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Bootz2004 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:30 pm

Anybody need a defense? I have the Bears and Jaguars. I need a kicker.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Phantom Phenom » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:39 pm

... double post
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Phantom Phenom » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:39 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:Anybody need a defense? I have the Bears and Jaguars. I need a kicker.




Stephen Gostkowski for Jags?

Edit: never mind.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby The Outsider » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:08 pm

Bootz, you got lucky you son of a bitch.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Bootz2004 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:04 am

The Outsider wrote:Bootz, you got lucky you son of a bitch.


Its fantasy football. Everyone who wins gets lucky.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Brazen331 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:10 pm

I hate playing guys on Thurs night but it looks like the Crow helped me out before wiping his ass with the football. Looks like Dread and I are already in must win situations.
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby Bootz2004 » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:44 pm

My receiving group is deep. Anyone need help?
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Re: 2018 BucZone FFL discussion

Postby acmillis » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:28 am

Bootz2004 wrote:My receiving group is deep. Anyone need help?

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