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Postby beardmcdoug » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:31 pm

**The river that fed into Lake Erie that was so full of garbage, chemicals, and ****, that "oozed rather than flowed" caught on fire
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:33 pm

beardmcdoug wrote:**The river that fed into Lake Erie that was so full of garbage, chemicals, and ****, that "oozed rather than flowed" caught on fire


Yes that's correct. Lake Erie never caught on fire, just the Cuyahoga River
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby beardmcdoug » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:37 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:
beardmcdoug wrote:**The river that fed into Lake Erie that was so full of garbage, chemicals, and ****, that "oozed rather than flowed" caught on fire


Yes that's correct. Lake Erie never caught on fire, just the Cuyahoga River


Yes, the lake did not catch fire, just the water that feeds and comprises the lake did
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby deltbucs » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:40 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:I didn't miss anything. I corrected a mistake.

Ok...Seemed pretty irrelevant to me that the actual fire was in a river that flows into the lake instead of the actual lake, but it seems you wanted to argue and dismiss the point about the lake being polluted.
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:41 pm

deltbucs wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:I didn't miss anything. I corrected a mistake.

Ok...Seemed pretty irrelevant to me that the actual fire was in a river that flows into the lake instead of the actual lake, but it seems you wanted to argue and dismiss the point about the lake being polluted.



Whatever sparky. I did nothing of the sort. I corrected a factual mistake MB made. If I wanted to argue about environmentalism I would have...I'm from Cleveland and fixed something I know about.

But go ahead and feel free to respond to whatever ... knock yourself out
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby deltbucs » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:44 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:
deltbucs wrote:Ok...Seemed pretty irrelevant to me that the actual fire was in a river that flows into the lake instead of the actual lake, but it seems you wanted to argue and dismiss the point about the lake being polluted.



Whatever sparky. I did nothing of the sort. I corrected a factual mistake MB made. If I wanted to argue about environmentalism I would have...I'm from Cleveland and fixed something I know about.

But go ahead and feel free to respond to whatever ... knock yourself out

You forgot the comma before the word "sparky".
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Postby HamBone » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:46 pm

Remember that time when the EPA polluted a river in Colorado? Pepperdine Farms does...
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:47 pm

I'm sure it's not my only grammatical mistake. Thanks for pointing it out.

Or wait, am I supposed to now make up some stuff and reply to something you didn't say?

I can't believe you think that about the Cubs...seems a bit hasty, I know they are slumping but I still think they can win the division!!
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby deltbucs » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:49 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:I'm sure it's not my only grammatical mistake. Thanks for pointing it out.

Or wait, am I supposed to now make up some stuff and reply to something you didn't say?

I can't believe you think that about the Cubs...seems a bit hasty, I know they are slumping but I still think they can win the division!!

We both know exactly why you chose to "make a correction". There's no need to get so upset. I hope you have a great weekend.
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:53 pm

Lol


Yes I thought I could prove all environmentalists wrong and solve global warming by fixing a mistake on a message board

I was so close!!!
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby SDBucs » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:56 pm

Corsair wrote:What's funny is that the free market is speaking. Energy companies are transitioning to renewables and clean energy jobs.

It's the government that is attempting to prop up a gone coal industry and inventing new ways and places to drill for oil.

Big brother (As you call it) is the one interfering in the market.



If you think removing government red tape is interfering with the free market you need to go re-evaluate what you think the free market is.
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:46 pm

Damn, MB spreading fake news again.
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Postby bucfanclw » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:09 pm

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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:49 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:I didn't miss anything. I corrected a mistake.

I didn't feel like typing Cuyahoga.
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby The Outsider » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:41 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:I'm from Cleveland


I'm so sorry.
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Corsair » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:58 pm

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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:55 am

No such thing as clean coal.

While President Donald Trump continues to tout “clean” coal, coal baron Robert Murray says it’s just a fantasy.
“Carbon capture and sequestration does not work. It’s a pseudonym for ‘no coal,’” the CEO of Murray Energy, the country’s largest privately held coal-mining company, told E&E News.
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“It is neither practical nor economic, carbon capture and sequestration,” he said last week. “It is just cover for the politicians, both Republicans and Democrats that say, ‘Look what I did for coal,’ knowing all the time that it doesn’t help coal at all.”

And this is from a guy who is a member of the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity — which has spent tens of millions of dollars trying to persuade the public that clean coal is the solution to global warming.
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Buc2 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:53 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:No such thing as clean coal.

While President Donald Trump continues to tout “clean” coal, coal baron Robert Murray says it’s just a fantasy.
“Carbon capture and sequestration does not work. It’s a pseudonym for ‘no coal,’” the CEO of Murray Energy, the country’s largest privately held coal-mining company, told E&E News.
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“It is neither practical nor economic, carbon capture and sequestration,” he said last week. “It is just cover for the politicians, both Republicans and Democrats that say, ‘Look what I did for coal,’ knowing all the time that it doesn’t help coal at all.”

And this is from a guy who is a member of the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity — which has spent tens of millions of dollars trying to persuade the public that clean coal is the solution to global warming.

Here's an article I found on CCS technology (carbon capture and sequestration) and why it's just not feasible. Not today and maybe not ever. Granted, the article is a bit dated (written in 2011), but I think it gives us layman a good idea of what clean coal (CCS) is...what it's supposed to do, its limitations, and why it's just not a viable solution for keeping CO2 out of the atmosphere. I think the last 3 paragraphs of the article (below) are right on point...even 6 years later.

The focus on mythical clean coal is particularly frustrating because practical, cost-effective alternatives do exist--and I don't mean just wind and solar power. Natural gas is plentiful in the U.S., and gas-fired power plants produce only about half as much CO2 as coal. Not only that, but once it's ready, the CCS technology envisioned for coal plants would be even more effective if used with natural gas. Tiny gas-fired cogeneration plants in individual homes could also help. Because these mini electrical generating systems use their waste heat to drive the homes' climate control systems, they avoid the huge energy losses involved in making power at distant facilities. This technology exists today. Nuclear power is another proven, low-CO2-emitting option--and despite public fears, U.S. nuclear plants have been paragons of safety compared to the harm done by coal-fired plants.

The cleanest energy option of all is also the closest at hand: conservation. As clean-energy guru Amory Lovins has shown, its almost always -cheaper to save energy than to mine or drill for it. And there are still massive efficiencies to be found almost everywhere energy is used. Boosting incentives for insulation, next-gen LED lights and ultraefficient smart appliances could do more than carbon sequestration to reduce CO2 emissions in the coming decades.

Let's be clear. We should continue research into making coal cleaner--that fuel will be a vital part of our energy mix for decades. But let's not allow clean-coal myths to divert us from real-world energy alternatives that work today.
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Corsair » Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:29 pm

19 nations of the G-20 just supported the Paris accord on climate change.

Trump sent Ivanka in his place.
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Zarniwoop » Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:02 pm

Corsair wrote:19 nations of the G-20 just supported the Paris accord on climate change.

Trump sent Ivanka in his place.




Horrible move. Our seat should have been empty
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Corsair » Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:04 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:
Corsair wrote:19 nations of the G-20 just supported the Paris accord on climate change.

Trump sent Ivanka in his place.




Horrible move. Our seat should have been empty

Agreed, It's stupid enough to dissent on this global issue.

No reason to compound the issue by making it a "take your daughter to work day".

It was a very "banana-republic" sort of move. Concerning.
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby acaton » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:04 pm

People will die due to our pulling it out...
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Zarniwoop » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:30 pm

Eleventy billion already have!!!
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby acaton » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:33 pm

See.
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Corsair » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:29 pm

Solid discussion about the issue, guys.

Keep it up.

Glad you guys are able to contribute the "conservative" viewpoint on these subjects.
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby HamBone » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:17 pm

Corsair wrote:Solid discussion about the issue, guys.

Keep it up.

Glad you guys are able to contribute the "conservative" viewpoint on these subjects.


Another false equivalency
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Corsair » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:43 pm

Are they not conservatives?

Still trying to figure out how to use that euphemism, huh?

Don't worry, you'll get there.
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Zarniwoop » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:46 pm

Straw man!!
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby acaton » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:08 pm

There is nothing to discuss, man has destroyed the planet and Trump didn't save it when he had the chance.


End of story.
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Re: Climate chg/global warming/climate disruption/carbon...

Postby Buc2 » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:24 am

acaton wrote:There is nothing to discuss, man has destroyed the planet and Trump didn't save it when he had the chance.


End of story.

Yep. And Turkey is pissed the U.S. pulled out of the climate accord because now they won't be getting U.S. dollars, which, according to Turkish officials, was the ONLY reason they were in the accord to begin with. So now they say there is no reason for them to be there either.

He (Erdogan) said he had clearly told French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel: “No offense, but we will not pass it in our parliament as long as the promises made to us are not delivered.”

He said former French President Francois Hollande had promised him that Turkey would be classed as a developing and not an industrialized economy — meaning Ankara would receive money from a global climate fund rather than have to pay into it.


Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan admits the only reason for being in the Paris Climate Treaty was to get money from the U.S. and other more wealthy nations. Now that the U.S. has pulled out of the treaty, there’s no reason to expect the financial benefits. Proving yet again, for the eleventyth time, that the entire construct of the Paris Climate Treaty had nothing to do with the actual climate (ie. weather), and everything to do with economic wealth distribution.
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