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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Ken Carson » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:16 am

NYBF wrote:Trump hails body slamming Congressman Greg Gianforte in Montana - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45913921


In fairness, Trump knows a good body slam when he sees it. Still the only President to have been on the receiving end of a Stone Cold Stunner.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:35 am

Ken Carson wrote:
NYBF wrote:Trump hails body slamming Congressman Greg Gianforte in Montana - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45913921


In fairness, Trump knows a good body slam when he sees it. Still the only President to have been on the receiving end of a Stone Cold Stunner.

He could use another one.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:38 am

NYBF wrote:Trump hails body slamming Congressman Greg Gianforte in Montana - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45913921



What a dumbass
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby DreadNaught » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:02 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:
In fairness, Trump knows a good body slam when he sees it. Still the only President to have been on the receiving end of a Stone Cold Stunner.

He could use another one.


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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby RedLeader » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:59 am

**against** elected officials..

Im all for them finally snapping back. Motherfuckers are out of control.

Did you see that video of the Antifa guy yelling at some poor lady wearing a patriotic shirt, and then laughing at her when she tells them that her husband died on 911? Lol.

****ing amazing. The left is losing it.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Buc2 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:14 am

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) told a gathering at the 92nd Street Y in New York on Sunday that there may have to be “collateral damage” to those Americans who do not agree with the Democratic Party agenda.

We have to have total clarity about what we do, when it comes to everything — a woman’s right to choose, gay marriage … whether it’s about immigration, whether it’s about gun safety, whether it’s about climate … I think that we owe the American people to be there for them, for their financial security, respecting the dignity and worth of every person in our country, and if there’s some collateral damage for some others who do not share our view, well, so be it, but it shouldn’t be our original purpose.

Pelosi's quote above begins at the 1:22 mark. Doesn't appear to me to have been taken out of context.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby bucfanclw » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:21 am

Buc2 wrote:
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) told a gathering at the 92nd Street Y in New York on Sunday that there may have to be “collateral damage” to those Americans who do not agree with the Democratic Party agenda.


Pelosi's quote above begins at the 1:22 mark. Doesn't appear to me to have been taken out of context.

Could she have been talking about companies losing money due to climate and fair pay initiatives? It's hard to tell when your little spin zones edit down to only take what they could sell as "violent rhetoric". That seemed like a very calm tone to be suggesting people go out and use physical force.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:23 am

ya, i don't see that as a call to violence....simply that she doesn't want to show any concern for people who don't hold her position and will suffer if her policies are implemented.

she worded it horribly, but that's what i took out of it.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby bucfanclw » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:23 am

RedLeader wrote:**against** elected officials..

Im all for them finally snapping back. Motherfuckers are out of control.

Did you see that video of the Antifa guy yelling at some poor lady wearing a patriotic shirt, and then laughing at her when she tells them that her husband died on 911? Lol.

****ing amazing. The left is losing it.

Cool let's find out who this guy is and disavow him. Being that the guy that posted this is a filmmaker, I'm sure he's got that information since he would know the importance of broadcasting his image without consent.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby bucfanclw » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:26 am

Zarniwoop wrote:ya, i don't see that as a call to violence....simply that she doesn't want to show any concern for people who don't hold her position and will suffer if her policies are implemented.

she worded it horribly, but that's what i took out of it.

So she is a typical politician from either side.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:42 am

bucfanclw wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:ya, i don't see that as a call to violence....simply that she doesn't want to show any concern for people who don't hold her position and will suffer if her policies are implemented.

she worded it horribly, but that's what i took out of it.

So she is a typical politician from either side.


in what way specifically...there are several components to my post.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby bucfanclw » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:03 am

Zarniwoop wrote:
bucfanclw wrote:So she is a typical politician from either side.


in what way specifically...there are several components to my post.

In every way you mentioned. Not calling for violence, but no concern for the "losers". Uses general language that can be spun to mean anything.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:20 am

the first two yes...the third to some degree...i think she is a particularly bad speaker.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby NYBF » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:29 am

Buc2 wrote:
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) told a gathering at the 92nd Street Y in New York on Sunday that there may have to be “collateral damage” to those Americans who do not agree with the Democratic Party agenda.


Pelosi's quote above begins at the 1:22 mark. Doesn't appear to me to have been taken out of context.


RedLeader wrote:**against** elected officials..

Im all for them finally snapping back. Motherfuckers are out of control.

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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby bucfanclw » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:36 am

Zarniwoop wrote:i think she is a particularly bad speaker.

No disagreement there.

Edit: Of course on the opposite side, there's this:


Donald J. Trump

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When referring to the USA, I will always capitalize the word Country!

10:04 AM - Oct 19, 2018

WTF does that even mean?
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby RedLeader » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:55 pm

And no surprise, it somehow always circles back to Trump for clewy... lol
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:01 pm

You can't "be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about," Hillary Clinton told CNN's Christiane Amanpour a week ago, defending the win-at-all-costs mentality that many Democrats are pushing before the midterm elections.

That was before the Republican candidate for governor of Pennsylvania, Scott Wagner, told the Democratic incumbent that he "better put a catcher's mask on your face because I'm going to stomp all over your face with golf spikes because I'm going to win this."

It was before street brawls between right-wing and left-wing groups broke out last weekend in Portland and New York. And it was also before President Donald Trump called porn star Stormy Daniels, who was paid $130,000 by Trump's personal lawyer to keep quiet about sleeping with the billionaire, "horseface" on Twitter.

If politics these days seem especially ugly, that's because they are. Not even counting actual physical attacks on Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) and the shooting of Rep. Steve Scalise (R–La.) during a congressional baseball practice, politics are more heated, divisive, and physically charged than they have been in years.

And for good reason: The people who control politics insist that every piece of legislation, every Supreme Court nomination, every midterm election, every minor rule change is bringing the world one step closer to the apocalypse.

Using plastic straws, kneeling for the national anthem, decade-old tweets—there isn't anything we do anymore that doesn't immediately get sucked into angry partisan arguments. Civility won't return until more of us channel our inner libertarians and realize that not all parts of our lives need to be politicized.

How do you expect people to respond when we're told each day is the beginning of the end of our way of life, that the other side is not just mistaken but pure evil, and we're limited to two parties that represent fewer and fewer of us?

The government is spending more, borrowing more, and controlling more and more aspects of our lives for no reason other than pure political gain.

"If we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that's when civility can start again," says Hillary Clinton.

Yeah, no. If civility can't return to politics unless your team is in charge, you're doing it wrong. Civility is only going to return when people stop treating politics as the only thing that matters—and we start actually shrinking the size, scope, and spending of government and give ourselves some space to breathe.

That's especially true if we're stuck with just two choices who have pledged to screw the other side. Neither Republicans nor Democrats offer a plan where you get to live however you want as long as you're not hurting others. Which helps explain why so few of us want to be part of either party (according to the most recent Gallup survey of political affiliation, just 26 percent of us cop to being Republicans and just 27 percent admit that we're Democrats).

And why civility won't return to politics until politicians stop cramming themselves into every corner of our lives.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:05 pm

Civility won't return until more of us channel our inner libertarians....


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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby bucfanclw » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:07 pm

Good read, Zarni.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:15 pm

bucfanclw wrote:Good read, Zarni.



it's a shame we don't have more people of the opinion to "just leave me the **** alone and I'll leave you alone"


the one thing history has ALWAYS taught is that power corrupts. We don't have a SINGULAR example of to the contrary but thousands of examples of the affirmative. if these people had limited power they would have no reason to play the hate game...the power they did have would be so superficial that even those who oppose their actions wouldn't really give a damn because it wouldn't affect their lives in any significant way
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Ken Carson » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:55 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Civility won't return until more of us channel our inner libertarians....


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... and realize that not all parts of our lives need to be politicized.


Why do you disagree with that?
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Buc2 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:56 pm

And MB's post above is a good example why it (civility) is not going to happen anytime soon.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:08 pm

Buc2 wrote:And MB's post above is a good example why it (civility) is not going to happen anytime soon.

"It's the economy, stupid."

You got 70% of the country living paycheck to paycheck. People's nerves are shot.

You got 1/3rd of the American people who think everything would be fine if Democrats would stop ****ing things up
You got another 1/3rd who think everything would be fine if Republicans would stop ****ing things up.
And the final 1/3rd waiting for someone to do something.

A sizeable portion of the country is waiting for things to get better and are getting frustrated why they aren't. Civility ain't happening. People want results.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby DreadNaught » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:19 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Buc2 wrote:And MB's post above is a good example why it (civility) is not going to happen anytime soon.

"It's the economy, stupid."

You got 70% of the country living paycheck to paycheck. People's nerves are shot.

You got 1/3rd of the American people who think everything would be fine if Democrats would stop ****ing things up
You got another 1/3rd who think everything would be fine if Republicans would stop ****ing things up.
And the final 1/3rd waiting for someone to do something.

A sizeable portion of the country is waiting for things to get better and are getting frustrated why they aren't. Civility ain't happening. People want results.


What a bizarre post. So you think everyone is either hyper partisan or just waiting on the government (or someone) to improve their life? None of those 3 groups are being accountable to themselves and seem to be finger pointing.

What about the individuals who take upon themselves via self-improvement and hard work to generate the results they desire? What 1/3 do they fit in?

Or do those people not exist in your reality?
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:30 pm

Forget I brought it up.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:31 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:"It's the economy, stupid."

You got 70% of the country living paycheck to paycheck. People's nerves are shot.

You got 1/3rd of the American people who think everything would be fine if Democrats would stop ****ing things up
You got another 1/3rd who think everything would be fine if Republicans would stop ****ing things up.
And the final 1/3rd waiting for someone to do something.

A sizeable portion of the country is waiting for things to get better and are getting frustrated why they aren't. Civility ain't happening. People want results.


What a bizarre post. So you think everyone is either hyper partisan or just waiting on the government (or someone) to improve their life? None of those 3 groups are being accountable to themselves and seem to be finger pointing.

What about the individuals who take upon themselves via self-improvement and hard work to generate the results they desire? What 1/3 do they fit in?

Or do those people not exist in your reality?



little do some people realize the only remotely possible way to "get results" is to stop the hyper-partisan bullshit on the trivial stuff or the stuff that has absolutely NOTHING to do with politics (which was the point of the article) -- whether it be fighting about Trump calling someone Pocahontas, calling everyone a Nazi, ANTIFA, etc.....if we stopped with the bickering on that bullshit we would see we are a whole lot more unified than media and politicians try to convince us (Refer to the exhausted majority thread).


ANGER is contagious...we see it on this board sometimes...a lot more contagious than rationality....because ANGER doesn't require any reasoning whatsoever. The politicians and media use that to their advantages -- to collect more power and drive ratings respectively.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Buc2 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:11 pm

At this point, I'm afraid it may take some major disaster or another attack on our soil to get folks back together again.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:42 pm

Buc2 wrote:At this point, I'm afraid it may take some major disaster or another attack on our soil to get folks back together again.



my initial reaction is to agree

but when i pause for a second and my optimistic side kicks in...i also have this feeling that our politicians are getting so flipping asinine right now that maybe it doesn't take an event like that to wake us up...maybe the idiot creep is going to creep over the threshold soon
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Buc2 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:54 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:
Buc2 wrote:At this point, I'm afraid it may take some major disaster or another attack on our soil to get folks back together again.



my initial reaction is to agree

but when i pause for a second and my optimistic side kicks in...i also have this feeling that our politicians are getting so flipping asinine right now that maybe it doesn't take an event like that to wake us up...maybe the idiot creep is going to creep over the threshold soon

I’d prefer your optimistic scenario.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby DreadNaught » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:12 pm

Buc2 wrote:At this point, I'm afraid it may take some major disaster or another attack on our soil to get folks back together again.


I disagree, or at least am hopeful you're wrong.

Perhaps I live in a suburban bubble but I don't ever witness incivility or chaos over partisanship. I discuss politics with colleagues, friends, and family quite a bit.

I feel most of this **** is on TV and the internet. It created by people who don't put their phones down so they can virtue signal and spout their outrage online via this projected persona instead of having actual human interaction and doing things that are actually virtuous.
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