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Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Buc2 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:01 am

Now that we are seeing more random acts of violence and in-your-face confrontations of our elected officials, I thought it may be time for a separate thread to report/discuss such instances.

My husband, Rand Paul, and our family have suffered intimidation and threats
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/03/opinions ... index.html
By Kelley Paul
Updated 7:08 PM ET, Wed October 3, 2018

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Sen. Paul's injuries worse than first reported 00:40

Editors Note: Kelley Paul is the wife of Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky. The opinions expressed in this commentary are hers.

(CNN) An open letter to Senator Cory Booker:

It's nine o'clock at night, and as I watch out the window, a sheriff's car slowly drives past my home. I am grateful that they have offered to do extra patrols, as someone just posted our home address, and Rand's cell number, on the internet -- all part of a broader effort to intimidate and threaten Republican members of Congress and their families. I now keep a loaded gun by my bed. Our security systems have had to be expanded. I have never felt this way in my life.

In the last 18 months, our family has experienced violence and threats of violence at a horrifying level. I will never forget the morning of the shooting at the congressional baseball practice, the pure relief and gratitude that flooded me when I realized that Rand was okay.

He was not okay last November, when a violent and unstable man attacked him from behind while he was working in our yard, breaking six ribs and leaving him with lung damage and multiple bouts of pneumonia. Kentucky's secretary of state, Alison Lundergan Grimes, recently joked about it in a speech. MSNBC commentator Kasie Hunt laughingly said on air that Rand's assault was one of her "favorite stories." Cher, Bette Midler, and others have lauded his attacker on Twitter. I hope that these women never have to watch someone they love struggle to move or even breathe for months on end.

Earlier this week, Rand was besieged in the airport by activists "getting up in his face," as you, Senator Booker, encouraged them to do a few months ago. Preventing someone from moving forward, thrusting your middle finger in their face, screaming vitriol -- is this the way to express concern or enact change? Or does it only incite unstable people to violence, making them feel that assaulting a person is somehow politically justifiable?

Senator Booker, Rand has worked with you to co-sponsor criminal justice reform bills. He respects you, and so do I. I would call on you to retract your statement. I would call on you to condemn violence, the leaking of elected officials' personal addresses (our address was leaked from a Senate directory given only to senators), and the intimidation and threats that are being hurled at them and their families.

Sincerely,
Kelley Paul
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Re: Random acts of violence/confrontations on elected offici

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:11 am

Welcome to the revolution!!

This is what happens when extreme ideologues don't have politcal power. They resort to these tactics.

Eventually the pendulum will swing back and Dems will control the parts of Congress and eventually the WH again. But until then these acts will continue.
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Re: Random acts of violence/confrontations on elected offici

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:22 am

People who do this kind of stuff are pathetic little dweebs
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Re: Random acts of violence/confrontations on elected offici

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:07 am

Zarniwoop wrote:People who do this kind of stuff are pathetic little dweebs

Yes and no.

Threats of violence and stuff like that is unacceptable at worst and in poor taste at best. But getting booed offstage or otherwise calling out a politician on their bullshit is not something I would reserve just for media personalities.

My uncle once flipped off President Nixon to his face at some sort of public gathering in DC that earned him a scowl from Tricky **** himself. I think that's kinda cool. (If you think I'm a leftist, he makes me look like Alex P. Keaton)

It's what the first amendment is really all about. I can't be thrown in jail for calling President Trump a limp-dicked man child to his face. I can be escorted from the building by the Secret Service or get punched in the face by some red hat wearing ***hole, but the government doesn't get to stop me from saying so or make it a crime.
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Re: Random acts of violence/confrontations on elected offici

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:12 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:People who do this kind of stuff are pathetic little dweebs

Yes and no.

Threats of violence and stuff like that is unacceptable at worst and in poor taste at best. But getting booed offstage or otherwise calling out a politician on their bullshit is not something I would reserve just for media personalities.

My uncle once flipped off President Nixon to his face at some sort of public gathering in DC that earned him a scowl from Tricky **** himself. I think that's kinda cool. (If you think I'm a leftist, he makes me look like Alex P. Keaton)

It's what the first amendment is really all about. I can't be thrown in jail for calling President Trump a limp-dicked man child to his face. I can be escorted from the building by the Secret Service or get punched in the face by some red hat wearing ***hole, but the government doesn't get to stop me from saying so or make it a crime.




I was referring to the acts of violence (from the thread title and that what was discussed in the article posted) and physical confrontations and harassment as well as the politicians who seemingly encourage it.



If people think it's a "win" to shout at or flip off a politician all the power to them.
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Re: Random acts of violence/confrontations on elected offici

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:18 am

Zarniwoop wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Yes and no.

Threats of violence and stuff like that is unacceptable at worst and in poor taste at best. But getting booed offstage or otherwise calling out a politician on their bullshit is not something I would reserve just for media personalities.

My uncle once flipped off President Nixon to his face at some sort of public gathering in DC that earned him a scowl from Tricky **** himself. I think that's kinda cool. (If you think I'm a leftist, he makes me look like Alex P. Keaton)

It's what the first amendment is really all about. I can't be thrown in jail for calling President Trump a limp-dicked man child to his face. I can be escorted from the building by the Secret Service or get punched in the face by some red hat wearing ***hole, but the government doesn't get to stop me from saying so or make it a crime.




I was referring to the acts of violence (from the thread title and that what was discussed in the article posted) and physical confrontations and harassment as well as the politicians who seemingly encourage it.



If people think it's a "win" to shout at or flip off a politician all the power to them.

I'm with you when it comes to threats of violence. "I'll see you in the parking lot Mr. County Commissioner." is a no-go. Politicians need to be worried about their careers, not their lives.
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Re: Random acts of violence/confrontations on elected offici

Postby NYBF » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:30 am

I don't remember the details, but

He was not okay last November, when a violent and unstable man attacked him from behind while he was working in our yard,


I don't remember that being random or because he was an elected official.
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Re: Random acts of violence/confrontations on elected offici

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:32 am

Buc2 wrote: If you can think of a more appropriate subject title, let me know.


Buc2....Bootz wants you to change the title of the thread.....



NYBF wrote:I don't remember the details, but

He was not okay last November, when a violent and unstable man attacked him from behind while he was working in our yard,


I don't remember that being random or because he was an elected official.




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Re: Random acts of violence/confrontations on elected offici

Postby Buc2 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:38 am

NYBF wrote:I don't remember the details, but

He was not okay last November, when a violent and unstable man attacked him from behind while he was working in our yard,


I don't remember that being random or because he was an elected official.

Title fixed.
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Re: Random acts of violence/confrontations on elected offici

Postby Ken Carson » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:17 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:
It's a slippery slope, to be honest. If you're OK with someone cussing a politician out, how about in front of his or her partner and/or children? Still OK?

I was referring to the acts of violence (from the thread title and that what was discussed in the article posted) and physical confrontations and harassment as well as the politicians who seemingly encourage it.



If people think it's a "win" to shout at or flip off a politician all the power to them.

I'm with you when it comes to threats of violence. "I'll see you in the parking lot Mr. County Commissioner." is a no-go. Politicians need to be worried about their careers, not their lives.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby bucfanclw » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:21 pm

Didnt a presidential candidate encourage people to knock out protesters and offer to pay the legal fees? Must have been a Democrat...
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby uscbucsfan » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:28 pm

bucfanclw wrote:Didnt a presidential candidate encourage people to knock out protesters and offer to pay the legal fees? Must have been a Democrat...


Maxine Waters?
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Re: Random acts of violence/confrontations on elected offici

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:30 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote: Politicians need to be worried about their careers, not their lives.


Bingo! Protest and be an activist at campaign events and/or in an organized and civil fashion (i.e marches).

Chasing elected officials and their families (or anyone else for that matter) around and harassing them is unacceptable behavior in civil society. I don't care who is doing it or who the target is.
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Re: Random acts of violence/confrontations on elected offici

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:53 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote: Politicians need to be worried about their careers, not their lives.


Bingo! Protest and be an activist at campaign events and/or in an organized and civil fashion (i.e marches).

Chasing elected officials and their families (or anyone else for that matter) around and harassing them is unacceptable behavior in civil society. I don't care who is doing it or who the target is.



I don't know how anyone with even half a brain could argue against this
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Re: Random acts of violence/confrontations on elected offici

Postby beardmcdoug » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:09 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote: Politicians need to be worried about their careers, not their lives.


Bingo! Protest and be an activist at campaign events and/or in an organized and civil fashion (i.e marches).

Chasing elected officials and their families (or anyone else for that matter) around and harassing them is unacceptable behavior in civil society. I don't care who is doing it or who the target is.


"The tree of Liberty must be, from time to time, watered with the blood of infidels"

Didn't one of the forefathers say that? wasn't it Muhammed Jefferson?
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Re: Random acts of violence/confrontations on elected offici

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:34 pm

beardmcdoug wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
Bingo! Protest and be an activist at campaign events and/or in an organized and civil fashion (i.e marches).

Chasing elected officials and their families (or anyone else for that matter) around and harassing them is unacceptable behavior in civil society. I don't care who is doing it or who the target is.


"The tree of Liberty must be, from time to time, watered with the blood of infidels"

Didn't one of the forefathers say that? wasn't it Muhammed Jefferson?


Ahmed Marx :P
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Ken Carson » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:34 pm

bucfanclw wrote:Didnt a presidential candidate encourage people to knock out protesters and offer to pay the legal fees? Must have been a Democrat...


Thanks for the contribution, Mr. Whatbaoutism.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby bucfanclw » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:56 pm

Ken Carson wrote:
bucfanclw wrote:Didnt a presidential candidate encourage people to knock out protesters and offer to pay the legal fees? Must have been a Democrat...


Thanks for the contribution, Mr. Whatbaoutism.

You're right. I'm sure statements like that certainly didnt contribute to the current atmosphere and therefore need no discussion in this topic. Both sides have ramped up the borderline violent rhetoric and thanks to political oneupmanship, I dont see it stopping any time soon.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:20 pm

bucfanclw wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:
Thanks for the contribution, Mr. Whatbaoutism.

You're right. I'm sure statements like that certainly didnt contribute to the current atmosphere and therefore need no discussion in this topic. Both sides have ramped up the borderline violent rhetoric and thanks to political oneupmanship, I dont see it stopping any time soon.


What Democratic politician is being followed and harassed by angry Conservative ideologues?

Are you paying attention?
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby The Outsider » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:33 pm

*cough*

Doug Jones says female staffers have been threatened by Brett Kavanaugh supporters
Updated October 4, 2018 at 12:03 PM; Posted October 4, 2018 at 11:58 AM
U.S. Sen. Doug Jones
U.S. Sen. Doug Jones (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

By Howard Koplowitz

hkoplowitz@al.com

The harassment of senators on both sides of the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation battle has extended to Doug Jones' office, who said Thursday that his female staffers received threats from some of Kavanaugh's backers.

"The hate and ugliness I have witnessed is unprecedented, and I hope, God I hope, does not reflect who we really are as Americans, and it has been on both sides," Jones said in a conference call with reporters. "I've even had callers telling the young women who've answered my phones that they hope they are sexually assaulted."

Jones indicated last week that he would vote against Kavanaugh's confirmation to the U.S. Supreme Court, calling the process "flawed from the very beginning." Alabama's junior senator said he was concerned that Republicans were rushing the confirmation, pointing out that the GOP-led Senate Judiciary Committee refused to allow the National Archives to transfer all of Kavanaugh's records, including the judge's tenure as staff secretary to President George W. Bush. The senator also said that the committee should have subpoenaed Kavanaugh friend Mark Judge, whom Dr. Christine Blasey Ford claimed witnessed Kavanaugh sexually assaulting her when they were in high school.

"I believe it was flawed from the very beginning, it will be incomplete at the end because of the needless rush for confirmation," Jones said. "There's simply no need to rush a Supreme Court nomination for a lifetime appointment."

The heated debate over Kavanaugh's confirmation led to harassment of senators from both parties. U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, was forced out of a Washington restaurant by anti-Kavanaugh activists, and Capitol Police had to escort senators from protesters.

At a second Judiciary Committee hearing last week, Ford and Kavanaugh testified about the sexual assault allegations. Jones said he believed Kavanaugh's conduct at the meeting - the judge said he believed the attacks on his character was "revenge on behalf of the Clintons" for his role in President Bill Clinton's impeachment - was "unbecoming of a judge" much less a potential Supreme Court justice.

"The manner in which he went attacking and blaming others I thought was incredibly unfortunate but also demonstrated a partisanship, a lack of independence," the senator said.

While Jones said he expected Kavanaugh to defend himself against the allegations, he also expected the judge to agree to a full vetting of the claims if there was no misconduct.

The FBI, which was called on to investigate the claims, submitted its report today to the Senate. Jones is scheduled to view the findings this afternoon, but he was concerned that the investigation's limited scope would not substantiate or disprove Ford's claims.

"There will always be a cloud" over the nomination, Jones said. "They will never get to the bottom of this at all, and that is not just unfortunate for Judge Kavanaugh, it's unfortunate for Dr. Ford and its unfortunate for the Supreme Court."


https://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/ ... reddit.com
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Ken Carson » Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:55 pm

I know you want to draw an equivalency, but the missing piece is that I missed the elected official on the Republican side who was advocating on behalf of making phone calls to senate staffers and telling them they hope they are sexually assaulted. As evidenced regularly, there a crazies and ***holes on both sides.

When political rallies are held advocating for the harassment and intimidation of opposition politicians, know what we call that? Facism. Don't know why you and others have a hard time condemning that, or why you feel the need to limp in with something not even close to the same level of state-sponsored facism.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:13 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
bucfanclw wrote:You're right. I'm sure statements like that certainly didnt contribute to the current atmosphere and therefore need no discussion in this topic. Both sides have ramped up the borderline violent rhetoric and thanks to political oneupmanship, I dont see it stopping any time soon.


What Democratic politician is being followed and harassed by angry Conservative ideologues?

Are you paying attention?

Gabrielle Giffords ring a bell?
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:28 pm

This thread turned into a **** stain

Good work guys
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:40 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
What Democratic politician is being followed and harassed by angry Conservative ideologues?

Are you paying attention?

Gabrielle Giffords ring a bell?


What year was that? After Steve Scalise right? Thought so.

How about we keep it to the present day
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:16 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Gabrielle Giffords ring a bell?


What year was that? After Steve Scalise right? Thought so.

How about we keep it to the present day

Oh. Look whose capable of admitting these things go both ways.

How about tomorrow morning we Google how many times the Secret Service had to investigate credible threats against Obama? Recent enough for you?
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby The Outsider » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:49 pm

Ken Carson wrote:I know you want to draw an equivalency, but the missing piece is that I missed the elected official on the Republican side who was advocating on behalf of making phone calls to senate staffers and telling them they hope they are sexually assaulted. As evidenced regularly, there a crazies and ***holes on both sides.

When political rallies are held advocating for the harassment and intimidation of opposition politicians, know what we call that? Facism. Don't know why you and others have a hard time condemning that, or why you feel the need to limp in with something not even close to the same level of state-sponsored facism.


The president has, in his current term, tacitly condoned violence, racism, and general hatred towards his opposition. During the campaign he not so subtly called on "those 2nd amendment folks" to do something about Clinton. Or, you know, calling the press the "enemy of the people"?

Is that a good enough, and recent enough, example of what you want?

I'll give you a chance to answer honestly.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Ken Carson » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:27 pm

The Outsider wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:I know you want to draw an equivalency, but the missing piece is that I missed the elected official on the Republican side who was advocating on behalf of making phone calls to senate staffers and telling them they hope they are sexually assaulted. As evidenced regularly, there a crazies and ***holes on both sides.

When political rallies are held advocating for the harassment and intimidation of opposition politicians, know what we call that? Facism. Don't know why you and others have a hard time condemning that, or why you feel the need to limp in with something not even close to the same level of state-sponsored facism.


The president has, in his current term, tacitly condoned violence, racism, and general hatred towards his opposition. During the campaign he not so subtly called on "those 2nd amendment folks" to do something about Clinton. Or, you know, calling the press the "enemy of the people"?

Is that a good enough, and recent enough, example of what you want?

I'll give you a chance to answer honestly.

I won’t deny that Trump is an ***hole whose words hurt people. I didn’t say that there is no one on the right who says things that are at the very least unhelpful and in some cases quite dangerous.

But you are still grasping at straws. You even call Trump’s statements “tacit.” Go read the Maxine Waters transcript and tell me that it’s the same.
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Buc2 » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:08 am

Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials
Post by Buc2 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:01 am

Now that we are seeing more random acts of violence and in-your-face confrontations of our elected officials, I thought it may be time for a separate thread to report/discuss such instances.


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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:12 am

Buc2 wrote:
Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials
Post by Buc2 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:01 am

Now that we are seeing more random acts of violence and in-your-face confrontations of our elected officials, I thought it may be time for a separate thread to report/discuss such instances.


And, go!



:lol:


it was a good thought...i like getting topics out of the mega thread and into their own...maybe people will stop the nonsense soon and this thread can serve a purpose
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Re: Acts of violence/confrontations on elected officials

Postby Buc2 » Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:31 am

Zarniwoop wrote:
Buc2 wrote:
And, go!



:lol:


it was a good thought...i like getting topics out of the mega thread and into their own...maybe people will stop the nonsense soon and this thread can serve a purpose

While that happening is doubtful, I will remain hopeful.
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