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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby uscbucsfan » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:03 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:I would hope not unless coupled with an abundance of sarcasm.

That was the best debate quip of all time.

I could just see a more frail, goofier Bernie Sanders who is more difficult to understand pointing his bony little finger at 70+ year old Democrat opponent talking about "Before your time...."
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:07 am

Keep in mind, gentlemen that virtually no Democrats in 2020 are going to stay home because they think Bernie or Biden are too old.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby uscbucsfan » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:12 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Keep in mind, gentlemen that virtually no Democrats in 2020 are going to stay home because they think Bernie or Biden are too old.


I think you don't understand how low our voter turnout is in this country. There are plenty of people who would use that as an excuse. "He looks like the crypt keeper, I'm not voting for him".

I think socialism is a bigger hurdle for him than age, but it will be a huge topic on the news. Which will sway people away and later launch an investigation into election tampering through the media.

edit: Unless you think Hillary's health bullshit had 0 impact.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Swashy » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:53 am

If W can retain in 2004 after 9/11, a noticable recession, war and rising gas prices then I don't see how Trump can possibly **** this up.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:55 am

Swashy wrote:If W can retain in 2004 after 9/11, a noticable recession, war and rising gas prices then I don't see how Trump can possibly **** this up.



I actually can't see him winning against any remotely electable Democrat

These are people I do not think are remotely electable: Sanders, Waters, Warren

I think Biden would wipe the floor with Trump
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:58 am

#3. John Delaney - Democrat, US House Member from Maryland




Seems like the first serious candidate that has announced.

I don't know much about him....anyone else?





From this video -- he seems like a reasonable guy
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby uscbucsfan » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:07 am

Zarniwoop wrote:
Swashy wrote:If W can retain in 2004 after 9/11, a noticable recession, war and rising gas prices then I don't see how Trump can possibly **** this up.



I actually can't see him winning against any remotely electable Democrat

These are people I do not think are remotely electable: Sanders, Waters, Warren

I think Biden would wipe the floor with Trump

I do think that Biden, despite being about the same age as Bernie, would easily win. Especially if Obama was his Vice President (begin the argument of whether that could happen or not).
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Swashy » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:20 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Keep in mind, gentlemen that virtually no Democrats in 2020 are going to stay home because they think Bernie or Biden are too old.


I won't as a voter. I finally chose a party and will support Sanders the whole way through. Call me a selfish millennial but I'd rather not have an administration that would calmly say for all of us to suck it the **** up as the United States economy rapidly continues its transcendence into one where both non college educated parents have to work for less than livable wages and even bad houses in bad neighborhoods will soon cost almost $1000 to live in. And yet it would laugh at the idea of minimum wage being raised to $14 an hour -a figure that would still yet barely cover that sort of expense if it was a single mother. But don't stop there! There's thousands of recent graduates with lots of student loan debt who have a degree that is essentially worthless but still have aspirations of American suburbia. There's plenty of apartments for people like you! Now go save up that $13,000 for a house you'll be paying twice the normal cost for while living in a crapshack apartment at twice normal cost.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby NYBF » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:22 am

I would like to announce my candidacy.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby uscbucsfan » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:25 am

#4 NYBF

Liberal out of New York who loves "It's Friday" by Rebecca Black and snarky remarks.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:26 am

i was going to say he needs an official video available on youtube about his candidacy to be recognized in this thread, but i think you may have just identified it
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Swashy » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:40 am

Zarniwoop wrote:
Swashy wrote:If W can retain in 2004 after 9/11, a noticable recession, war and rising gas prices then I don't see how Trump can possibly **** this up.



I actually can't see him winning against any remotely electable Democrat

These are people I do not think are remotely electable: Sanders, Waters, Warren

I think Biden would wipe the floor with Trump


I think you are underestimating how loyal Republicans are. We live in an age where Alabama BARELY elected a Democrat over a guy who can be considered openly racist and had been accused of sexual assault by 14 and 16 year old's. The Republicans have been thriving on buzzwords like "free enterprise" "2nd amendment rights" "strong national defense" and staunch support of Christian ideals in order to appeal to the average American Joe for at least as long as my adulthood (I turned 18 in 2006) and it's worked flawlessly. It's a platform that appeals to so many people and I think probably each and every one of us identifies with at least 2 or 3 of those ideals. And yet it seems that the only reason the Democratic party even exists anymore is because (depending on your view) it's the angel or devil on the shoulder of a Republican party that does a poor job of practicing what it preaches and takes what it does practice effectively a step too far. They seldom splinter. So often it's the moderates who can't agree on a Democrat to oppose them.

As divided as the Republican party itself is over Trump, the SOB is humming at an 87% approval rating by the same voters to re-elect him.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:44 am

Swashy wrote:
I think you are underestimating how loyal Republicans are. We live in an age where Alabama BARELY elected a Democrat over a guy who can be considered openly racist and had been accused of sexual assault by 14 and 16 year old's. The Republicans have been thriving on buzzwords like "free enterprise" "2nd amendment rights" "strong national defense" and staunch support of Christian ideals in order to appeal to the average American Joe for at least as long as my adulthood (I turned 18 in 2006) and it's worked flawlessly. It's a platform that appeals to so many people and I think probably each and every one of us identifies with at least 2 or 3 of those ideals. And yet it seems that the only reason the Democratic party even exists anymore is because (depending on your view) it's the angel or devil on the shoulder of a Republican party that does a poor job of practicing what it preaches and takes what it does practice effectively a step too far. They seldom splinter. So often it's the moderates who can't agree on a Democrat to oppose them.

As divided as the Republican party itself is over Trump, the SOB is humming at an 87% approval rating by the same voters to re-elect him.



Where are you getting the 87% approval from people that voted for him the first time?


NVM, I see it.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Swashy » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:53 am

Zarniwoop wrote:
Swashy wrote:
I think you are underestimating how loyal Republicans are. We live in an age where Alabama BARELY elected a Democrat over a guy who can be considered openly racist and had been accused of sexual assault by 14 and 16 year old's. The Republicans have been thriving on buzzwords like "free enterprise" "2nd amendment rights" "strong national defense" and staunch support of Christian ideals in order to appeal to the average American Joe for at least as long as my adulthood (I turned 18 in 2006) and it's worked flawlessly. It's a platform that appeals to so many people and I think probably each and every one of us identifies with at least 2 or 3 of those ideals. And yet it seems that the only reason the Democratic party even exists anymore is because (depending on your view) it's the angel or devil on the shoulder of a Republican party that does a poor job of practicing what it preaches and takes what it does practice effectively a step too far. They seldom splinter. So often it's the moderates who can't agree on a Democrat to oppose them.

As divided as the Republican party itself is over Trump, the SOB is humming at an 87% approval rating by the same voters to re-elect him.



Where are you getting the 87% approval from people that voted for him the first time?


NVM, I see it.



Yeah I used the Gallup poll. When in doubt I just go with 'ol reliable.

Biden I'm sure would get a lot of support but I question how warm America is going to be to his return. To Gore's credit, he ran while Clinton was still sitting president and the left was white hot for him. Bush on the other hand was a favorite son and an actual son of a former president and it provided an easy banner to flock behind. To this day I don't know if he will ever see a more polarizing election as that. I honestly don't know if the Democrats have anything like that now. The only thing saving the Trump presidency is that the economy bubble hasn't burst yet and who knows how long this will go on for.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:54 am

Swashy wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:

I actually can't see him winning against any remotely electable Democrat

These are people I do not think are remotely electable: Sanders, Waters, Warren

I think Biden would wipe the floor with Trump


I think you are underestimating how loyal Republicans are. We live in an age where Alabama BARELY elected a Democrat over a guy who can be considered openly racist and had been accused of sexual assault by 14 and 16 year old's. The Republicans have been thriving on buzzwords like "free enterprise" "2nd amendment rights" "strong national defense" and staunch support of Christian ideals in order to appeal to the average American Joe for at least as long as my adulthood (I turned 18 in 2006) and it's worked flawlessly. It's a platform that appeals to so many people and I think probably each and every one of us identifies with at least 2 or 3 of those ideals. And yet it seems that the only reason the Democratic party even exists anymore is because (depending on your view) it's the angel or devil on the shoulder of a Republican party that does a poor job of practicing what it preaches and takes what it does practice effectively a step too far. They seldom splinter. So often it's the moderates who can't agree on a Democrat to oppose them.

As divided as the Republican party itself is over Trump, the SOB is humming at an 87% approval rating by the same voters to re-elect him.


Because conservatives and most moderates/independents generally vote on core issues like the economy, unemployment, foreign policy, and immigration when it comes to the Presidency. The current administration is trending is a positive direction in those areas which easily explains that 87% number along with the gradually increasing overall approval numbers.

If Trump can shake the Mueller investigation by 2020 and maintain those aforementioned trends I think he'll get re-elected.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Swashy » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:03 am

DreadNaught wrote:
Swashy wrote:
I think you are underestimating how loyal Republicans are. We live in an age where Alabama BARELY elected a Democrat over a guy who can be considered openly racist and had been accused of sexual assault by 14 and 16 year old's. The Republicans have been thriving on buzzwords like "free enterprise" "2nd amendment rights" "strong national defense" and staunch support of Christian ideals in order to appeal to the average American Joe for at least as long as my adulthood (I turned 18 in 2006) and it's worked flawlessly. It's a platform that appeals to so many people and I think probably each and every one of us identifies with at least 2 or 3 of those ideals. And yet it seems that the only reason the Democratic party even exists anymore is because (depending on your view) it's the angel or devil on the shoulder of a Republican party that does a poor job of practicing what it preaches and takes what it does practice effectively a step too far. They seldom splinter. So often it's the moderates who can't agree on a Democrat to oppose them.

As divided as the Republican party itself is over Trump, the SOB is humming at an 87% approval rating by the same voters to re-elect him.


Because conservatives and most moderates/independents generally vote on core issues like the economy, unemployment, foreign policy, and immigration when it comes to the Presidency. The current administration is trending is a positive direction in those areas which easily explains that 87% number along with the gradually increasing overall approval numbers.

If Trump can shake the Mueller investigation by 2020 and maintain those aforementioned trends I think he'll get re-elected.


I hate to say it but after being promised a wall and the Russia scandal, positive is the only direction this administration has to trend. But on those are the core issues discussed amongst candidates. Talk to the average voter on what they care about and they bitch about welfare, guns and pussification. Believe me, I had plenty of time to survey conservatives whilst in healthcare in 2016

But then again I can only speak to my personal experience
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby beardmcdoug » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:07 am

NYBF wrote:I would like to announce my candidacy.


Oh yeah?


NYBF wrote:I will not be running for president in 2020


Not a good start
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:18 pm

Swashy wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
Because conservatives and most moderates/independents generally vote on core issues like the economy, unemployment, foreign policy, and immigration when it comes to the Presidency. The current administration is trending is a positive direction in those areas which easily explains that 87% number along with the gradually increasing overall approval numbers.

If Trump can shake the Mueller investigation by 2020 and maintain those aforementioned trends I think he'll get re-elected.


I hate to say it but after being promised a wall and the Russia scandal, positive is the only direction this administration has to trend. But on those are the core issues discussed amongst candidates. Talk to the average voter on what they care about and they bitch about welfare, guns and pussification. Believe me, I had plenty of time to survey conservatives whilst in healthcare in 2016

But then again I can only speak to my personal experience

You hang out with people who talk about welfare, guns, and pussification?

Do you like these people?
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:31 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Swashy wrote:
I hate to say it but after being promised a wall and the Russia scandal, positive is the only direction this administration has to trend. But on those are the core issues discussed amongst candidates. Talk to the average voter on what they care about and they bitch about welfare, guns and pussification. Believe me, I had plenty of time to survey conservatives whilst in healthcare in 2016

But then again I can only speak to my personal experience

You hang out with people who talk about welfare, guns, and pussification?

Do you like these people?


Apparently he worked in healthcare and his duty was to interview conservatives on their political motivations.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:33 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:You hang out with people who talk about welfare, guns, and pussification?

Do you like these people?


Apparently he worked in healthcare and his duty was to interview conservatives on their political motivations.

My fault. I missed the "wilst in healthcare" part of his comment.

If I heard people bitching about welfare and pussification all day, I'd make that a "former" part of my life too.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:59 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
Apparently he worked in healthcare and his duty was to interview conservatives on their political motivations.

My fault. I missed the "wilst in healthcare" part of his comment.

If I heard people bitching about welfare and pussification all day, I'd make that a "former" part of my life too.

I've never been asked about my political views at any doctor's office ever. But that is just my personal experience. Maybe clinics are different elsewhere.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby uscbucsfan » Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:01 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:My fault. I missed the "wilst in healthcare" part of his comment.

If I heard people bitching about welfare and pussification all day, I'd make that a "former" part of my life too.

I've never been asked about my political views at any doctor's office ever. But that is just my personal experience. Maybe clinics are different elsewhere.

Same here. From the sounds of it he's generalizing from interactions with a few individuals.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Swashy » Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:49 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Swashy wrote:
I hate to say it but after being promised a wall and the Russia scandal, positive is the only direction this administration has to trend. But on those are the core issues discussed amongst candidates. Talk to the average voter on what they care about and they bitch about welfare, guns and pussification. Believe me, I had plenty of time to survey conservatives whilst in healthcare in 2016

But then again I can only speak to my personal experience

You hang out with people who talk about welfare, guns, and pussification?

Do you like these people?


Only when they were my patients in the hospital..... well and my brother and sister in law who not-so-ironically cheat on their taxes
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:28 pm

Swashy wrote: not-so-ironically cheat on their taxes



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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Swashy » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:35 pm

For what it's worth I was an RN for 3 years and pretty much for 5 straight months in 2016 I'd come in a room election related media was on TV and I'd ask "What do you think?" because I wanted to spend some time hearing the opinions of others. At the time I'm only 27, who's to say my opinion is learned? The candidate I personally want does not exist. If they do, they're not getting far on stances such as that they agree abortion is murder but Roe vs Wade cannot be repealed because making it illegal is neither going to stop do-it-yourself abortions from desperate females of all ages or stop unsafe sex practices since the #1 cause of illegal activity is not caring that it's illegal. So you may as well keep it around so they can be safe. Or other stances such as that same sex couples should be allowed to marry but under no circumstances should churches be forced to wed them. Freedom is a two way street and marriage is an institution of God. They have the right to refusal every bit as much as they have the right to wed any couple they so choose. How a same sex couple gets married is their problem -even if it comes at a difficult inconvenience. I didn't vote in 2012 and knew I wasn't going to vote in 2016 either.

So in the meantime, I may as well have taken the time find out what people care about. Find out what the REAL issues are that are not what is discussed on the TV. Not that I learned much but I realized now that the gun issue and welfare were the biggest topics.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:26 pm

A guy involved with the Libertarian party has thrown his hat into the ring....Arvin Vohra

Some of this dude's policies are completely off the rails. He wants to release anyone in prison who hasn't committed a violent crime, at times he has argued that the age of consent should be 14, he has suggested completely eliminating income tax, etc

And he has said abhorrent things such as "Bad Idea: School Shootings. Good Idea: School Board Shootings" just to stir the pot.


Here is an old interview with him


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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:34 pm

Doesn't represent your side of the discussion well, does he?


Now you know how we feel about Maxine Waters.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Nano » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:19 pm

His Wikipedia controversy page is a fun read

Vohra drew flak in 2017 for calling for the abolishment of public schools, insisting that those who don't use public schools should't have to pay for them, calling public schools "welfare for the middle class", referring to military veterans as "paid killers", public school teachers as "supervisors of indoctrination camps",[3] and in April 2018, for joking about violence against the government.[4]

In defense of his remarks on sexual relations with minors, Vohra sought to draw moral equivalence between it and homosexuality, calling homosexuals who disagreed "hypocrites".[5] The Libertarian Youth Caucus, through founder Trent Somes III, one of Vohra's opponents in the election for vice chair of the Libertarian National Committee, called for Vohra's resignation.[6] Multiple state Libertarian Party chapters demanded Vohra be relieved from his position, including the Libertarian Parties of Alaska, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and Wisconsin.[5] When asked if he personally would have sex with a 14-year-old, Vohra responded, "probably not."[7]

On February 2, 2018, members of the LNC voted on whether or not to suspend Vohra from his position. The vote failed a two-thirds majority, and in response, popular Libertarian activist Larry Sharpe resigned from his position in the Committee as Region 8 Alternate.[8]

On March 6, 2018, he was criticized for making a comment that started with “Listen, guys, rapists are good people who sometimes do things we may individually disagree with.”[9]

In April 2018, a new motion to suspend Vohra was brought to the LNC, prompted by new comments by Vohra: "Bad idea: school shootings. Good idea: school board shootings." Vohra dismissed the comments as a joke, and apologized on Facebook.[10][11] The motion failed in a deciding vote by Nicholas Sarwark.[12]

In June 2018, he drew criticism for appearing on the podcast of former libertarian turned national socialist Christopher Cantwell aka "the Crying Nazi". In defense of this appearance, Vohra stated; "I'll take a racist who opposes government schools over a public school teacher who endorses them any day. If I have to pick between racism and welfarism, I'll pick racism in a second."[13]

On July 3, 2018, Vohra lost his reelection bid to be vice-chair of the LP to Alex Merced. However, on the same day, he announced that he will seek the Libertarian Party's nomination for president in 2020.


This dude needs helps
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby The Outsider » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:05 am

Sounds like a typical libertarian politician.
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Re: Official 2020 Presidential Candidate Announcement Thread

Postby Buc2 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:41 pm

^^Sounds like a weak troll attempt.
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