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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby RedLeader » Thu May 31, 2018 11:19 am

deltbucs wrote:
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What's funny about this is i dont think ive ever seen much of a trump rally, and certainly dont follow him on Twitter. Lol.


Focus Delt! Get off Trumps tweet, already! Lol.


Theres a whole world of actual news out there, bud.

I don't even have a twitter. You can find a trump tweet or a link to one in probably half of the threads in this forum. And it's pretty tough to not come across **** trump says at his pep rallies. He's the president of the United States, you know. Why do you insist on being so willingly ignorant? Stupid post like this are the reason that other conservatives on this forum tell you to stop being an idiot.


Um. You JUST asked someone if they ever read “Trumps Twitter” or saw one of his rallies.. lol. but, okay.

Backtrack noted. Moving on.
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby bucfanclw » Thu May 31, 2018 11:22 am

Apparently he's pardoning Martha Stewart and Rod Blagojevich as well.
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Stuart » Thu May 31, 2018 11:23 am

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not mad, never was. glad he got a pardon though. I think the people who initiated it should ge the ones prosecuted.

Prosecuted for enforcing the law?


prosecuted for weaponizing the judicial system for political gain
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Deuce » Thu May 31, 2018 11:28 am

deltbucs wrote:
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So, this guy broke the law, but did something a lot of people/corporations legally do every day, just a different way. And he was indicted shortly after making a critical movie of the current administration.

Hm...something tells me you guys aren't being non-partisan.

You obviously have no idea what my political beliefs are. Look at my post history if you want to see what I think of Obama. Here's a hint: **** that guy. I hope he rots in hell.
I don't even know how this guys is, honestly. I just read about him in this post. I don't know anything about his movie. He should be prosecuted. The laws should be changed so that other people/corporations can't do it through PACS. We shouldn't loosen the laws so that anyone get always get away with it. We should prosecute anyone who violates the already too loose campaign finance laws. Seems to me that you're the one with the partisan bias.


I do know who he is. I listen to a podcast (The Adam Carolla Show) where he appeared a couple of times before being indicted. He's definitely a hardcore Republican and he's a little crazy. I have no doubts that political motivations led to his indictment and his pardon.

I guess the difference between you and I is this- If someone is indicted on a stupid law, I think it's cool if they get off. I don't think of him as any more guilty than the corporations who donate to PACs.
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu May 31, 2018 11:30 am

Stuart wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Prosecuted for enforcing the law?


prosecuted for weaponizing the judicial system for political gain

What gain? He had already won re-election.

Try again.
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby bucfanclw » Thu May 31, 2018 11:36 am

So Trump is pardoning or commuting the sentence of 3 well known people whose crimes include corruption, bribery, and lying to the FBI.

Interesting pattern developing here...
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu May 31, 2018 11:39 am

bucfanclw wrote:So Trump is pardoning or commuting the sentence of 3 well known people whose crimes include corruption, bribery, and lying to the FBI.

Interesting pattern developing here...

pro·jec·tion
prəˈjekSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: projection; plural noun: projections

the unconscious transfer of one's own desires or emotions to another person.

If he can't pardon himself, then doggone it, he'll pardon who he can.
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Stuart » Thu May 31, 2018 11:43 am

bucfanclw wrote:So Trump is pardoning or commuting the sentence of 3 well known people whose crimes include corruption, bribery, and lying to the FBI.

Interesting pattern developing here...



they would know about lying :drinkingcheers:
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby deltbucs » Thu May 31, 2018 12:01 pm

Deuce wrote:
deltbucs wrote:You obviously have no idea what my political beliefs are. Look at my post history if you want to see what I think of Obama. Here's a hint: **** that guy. I hope he rots in hell.
I don't even know how this guys is, honestly. I just read about him in this post. I don't know anything about his movie. He should be prosecuted. The laws should be changed so that other people/corporations can't do it through PACS. We shouldn't loosen the laws so that anyone get always get away with it. We should prosecute anyone who violates the already too loose campaign finance laws. Seems to me that you're the one with the partisan bias.


I do know who he is. I listen to a podcast (The Adam Carolla Show) where he appeared a couple of times before being indicted. He's definitely a hardcore Republican and he's a little crazy. I have no doubts that political motivations led to his indictment and his pardon.

I guess the difference between you and I is this- If someone is indicted on a stupid law, I think it's cool if they get off. I don't think of him as any more guilty than the corporations who donate to PACs.

You think it's a stupid law that people can only donate 5k to a political campaign?
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Deuce » Thu May 31, 2018 12:04 pm

deltbucs wrote:
Deuce wrote:
I do know who he is. I listen to a podcast (The Adam Carolla Show) where he appeared a couple of times before being indicted. He's definitely a hardcore Republican and he's a little crazy. I have no doubts that political motivations led to his indictment and his pardon.

I guess the difference between you and I is this- If someone is indicted on a stupid law, I think it's cool if they get off. I don't think of him as any more guilty than the corporations who donate to PACs.

You think it's a stupid law that people can only donate 5k to a political campaign?


When you consider our aforementioned PAC discussion and it's legality, yes.
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby deltbucs » Thu May 31, 2018 12:12 pm

Deuce wrote:
deltbucs wrote:You think it's a stupid law that people can only donate 5k to a political campaign?


When you consider our aforementioned PAC discussion and it's legality, yes.

So you don't think anyone should be prosecuted for breaking campaign finance laws?
Do you think that no one should prosecuted for any crime where there is some kind of loophole?
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Ken Carson » Thu May 31, 2018 12:19 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Stuart wrote:


not mad, never was. glad he got a pardon though. I think the people who initiated it should ge the ones prosecuted.

Prosecuted for enforcing the law?

As long as someone is around to pardon them....
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Deuce » Thu May 31, 2018 12:26 pm

deltbucs wrote:
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When you consider our aforementioned PAC discussion and it's legality, yes.

So you don't think anyone should be prosecuted for breaking campaign finance laws?
Do you think that no one should prosecuted for any crime where there is some kind of loophole?


I don't know what corner you're trying to back me into but I'm not going to make sweeping generalizations in order for you to do so.
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby deltbucs » Thu May 31, 2018 1:09 pm

Deuce wrote:
deltbucs wrote:So you don't think anyone should be prosecuted for breaking campaign finance laws?
Do you think that no one should prosecuted for any crime where there is some kind of loophole?


I don't know what corner you're trying to back me into but I'm not going to make sweeping generalizations in order for you to do so.

I'm trying to help you understand why I think it's absurd to not prosecute someone for breaking campaign finance laws just because there are loopholes. It seems to me that you may have been projecting when you started claiming that it was a partisan issue for me.
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Buc2 » Thu May 31, 2018 1:10 pm

Deuce wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:This is a dumb pardon.


Most of them are.


I get that this guy is extremely pro-Republican and that's why he was pardoned. Thus, all Democrats will hate this move.

But do you really feel like he deserved this punishment?

As a champion of campaign finance reform, yes.
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu May 31, 2018 1:11 pm

do we have a campaign finance reform thread? I'd be interested in getting people's takes
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Buc2 » Thu May 31, 2018 1:13 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:do we have a campaign finance reform thread? I'd be interested in getting people's takes

I was going to delete what I posted in favor of saying this instead...

Yes. Play by the rules or suffer the consequences. If the consequences are wrong, then work to change them.
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu May 31, 2018 1:25 pm

Buc2 wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:do we have a campaign finance reform thread? I'd be interested in getting people's takes

I was going to delete what I posted in favor of saying this instead...

Yes. Play by the rules or suffer the consequences. If the consequences are wrong, then work to change them.



there doesn't seem to be one...I'll start one and see if it catches on....for as much as we talk about it and stuff like Citizens United it probably deserves a thread
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Brazen331 » Thu May 31, 2018 6:52 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:This is a dumb pardon.


Most of them are.


That depends. If Obama intervened here and he would not have been prosecuted but for Obama instigating it then it’s a great pardon.

If Obama had nothing to do with it and it was entirely organic then I agree with you.
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby mdb1958 » Thu May 31, 2018 7:52 pm

They went after him just like they went after people with the IRS.

You readers should read - Stealing America
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby RedLeader » Thu May 31, 2018 8:51 pm

bucfanclw wrote:So Trump is pardoning or commuting the sentence of 3 well known people whose crimes include corruption, bribery, and lying to the FBI.

Interesting pattern developing here...




By the end of his presidency on January 20, 2017, Barack Obama had exercised his constitutional power to grant executive clemency—that is, "pardon, commutation of sentence, remission of fine or restitution, and reprieve"—to 1,927 individuals convicted of federal crimes.


Obama holds the record for the largest single-day use of the clemency power, granting 330 commutations on January 19, 2017, his last full day in office... He also has issued more commutations than the past thirteen presidents combined...




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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby RedLeader » Thu May 31, 2018 8:53 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
bucfanclw wrote:So Trump is pardoning or commuting the sentence of 3 well known people whose crimes include corruption, bribery, and lying to the FBI.

Interesting pattern developing here...

pro·jec·tion
prəˈjekSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: projection; plural noun: projections

the unconscious transfer of one's own desires or emotions to another person.

If he can't pardon himself, then doggone it, he'll pardon who he can.




Lol... you're better than this, MB...
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Brazen331 » Thu May 31, 2018 9:05 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
bucfanclw wrote:So Trump is pardoning or commuting the sentence of 3 well known people whose crimes include corruption, bribery, and lying to the FBI.

Interesting pattern developing here...

pro·jec·tion
prəˈjekSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: projection; plural noun: projections

the unconscious transfer of one's own desires or emotions to another person.

If he can't pardon himself, then doggone it, he'll pardon who he can.


What crime does Trump need to pardon himself for?
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Buc2 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:48 am

Brazen331 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:
If he can't pardon himself, then doggone it, he'll pardon who he can.


What crime does Trump need to pardon himself for?

That's what the Mueller Witch Hunt is trying to determine.
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Stuart » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:04 pm

the mueller thing is similar to this story. their both digging for whatever they can get.

To me thats the true crime.
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:09 pm

Brazen331 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:
If he can't pardon himself, then doggone it, he'll pardon who he can.


What crime does Trump need to pardon himself for?

You'll have to ask him.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-pardon-robert-s-mueller-special-counsel-russia-a7852181.html
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby bucfanclw » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:10 pm

Stuart wrote:the mueller thing is similar to this story. their both digging for whatever they can get.

To me thats the true crime.

Do you also feel this way about Blagojevich?
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Stuart » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:19 pm

bucfanclw wrote:
Stuart wrote:the mueller thing is similar to this story. their both digging for whatever they can get.

To me thats the true crime.

Do you also feel this way about Blagojevich?


don't know enough about that one to have an opinion
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby bucfanclw » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:26 pm

Stuart wrote:
bucfanclw wrote:Do you also feel this way about Blagojevich?


don't know enough about that one to have an opinion

Well Democrats launched an investigation against him and impeached him as Governor while Obama was POTUS. He was charged with accepting bribes. He later starred on the Apprentice with Trump and now Trump is pardoning him.

First political witch hunt victim using Obama's "weaponized" justice dept?
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Re: Trump to pardon Dinesh D'Souza

Postby Caradoc » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:01 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:
Deuce wrote:
I get that this guy is extremely pro-Republican and that's why he was pardoned. Thus, all Democrats will hate this move.

But do you really feel like he deserved this punishment?



Yes, he broke the campaign contributions law right? While I don't necessarily agree with the law, one has to suffer the consequences of breaking the law. Just like I don't agree with 55 mph on highways and often go faster, I'm willing to accept the consequences. The only thing unreasonable about the punishment in terms of severity is the time in a halfway house...I assume he already did that?

Unless Trump pardons everyone that breaks this law (and I have no idea if he is) then I don't like him pardoning just Dinesh (and I actually quite like Dinesh in many regards -- sometimes though he, like all of us, can be an ***hole)


The problem with that is, generally, nobody has to "suffer the consequences" of breaking that particular law in the way D'Souza did. It's a fairly common crime, and normally it's an administrative fine, not an attempt at multiple felony convictions.

e.g. Obama's campaign hid almost 2 million in the same manner and was fined only $375k with no felony charges. He was pissed at D'Souza and used the State as a weapon against him, just like he did to everyone else he didn't like.
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