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Fantastic Article -- Enemies of Modernity

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:31 am

One of the very best articles I have read on the sociocultural fighting going on right now in the world

It's really, really long. I am attaching some of my favorite bits.

It's one of those articles that I think 90% of the board would find some common ground with.



https://areomagazine.com/2017/08/22/a-m ... modernity/




A couple excerpts:

The progressive left has aligned itself not with Modernity but with postmodernism, which rejects objective truth as a fantasy dreamed up by naive and/or arrogantly bigoted Enlightenment thinkers who underestimated the collateral consequences of Modernity’s progress. The regressive right champions premodernism instead, which is little more than a grand delusion that the intricate complexities of Modern society can function without the elaborate infrastructure required to run a Modern society in the first place. Both are outright rejections of the Enlightenment’s commitment to truth.



Take the leftward road, and you’ll find the objectionable notion that truth is “situated” in identity, which leads to the farcical belief that truth is relative to whatever one’s cultural background has traditionally held it to be — unless that culture is considered to have unfairly dominated in the past, in which case anything it holds to be true must be refuted on principle. If this sounds confusing, you’re not to worry. Priestly representatives have appointed themselves along this path to divine who can’t say what to whom and under what circumstances. You need only to check your privileges in life, fall in line, become an “ally,” shut up, and listen to those deemed more oppressed than you are. The shutting up is particularly important.



Veer rightward instead, and you’ll be similarly disappointed. There, truth isn’t much different, although they wouldn’t call it “situated” (but it is). It is the kind of capital-T “Truth” that’s both “obvious” to everyone and too simplistic to be true, and it’s situated in the lived experience of the traditionally recognized everyman. This right-hand Truth often arrives as some amalgamation of divination upon the everyday experience of rubes and the locally agreed upon exegeses of God’s parochially preferred ancient manuscripts.



Neither road seems good. In reality, they’re both bad. You’ll not make it far down either path before observing that the chief commodities along both are hysterical moral panic and a corollary absolute intolerance of thinking differently — duly papered over with claims to appreciate the right kinds of (limited) diversity. So it is that with just a bit of patient observation, you’ll come to realize these premodernists and postmodernists, despite their distinct moral dialects and impossibly irreconcilable differences in every political mood, are almost indistinguishable. Both are bent toward authoritarianism and values at odds with Modernity.





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Re: Fantastic Article -- Enemies of Modernity

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:12 pm

any excerpts that elaborate on what each side considers "truth"?

What both sides claim to be true is the interesting part because it's the only binary thing we're arguing over. Either something is true or it is not. There rest is details.

Maybe a parsing of the difference between truth and belief, since much of what goes on is based more in belief than fact (ideology, economics, religion)

That guy needs to put his thesaurus down though.
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Re: Fantastic Article -- Enemies of Modernity

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:19 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:any excerpts that elaborate on what each side considers "truth"?

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IMO his point is that neither of the extremes (depicted on the fringes of that bottom picture) give a rat's ass about the search for truth. They have both abandoned the enlightmentment's principle of the use of reason to search for truth.

I pretty much agree with is depiction of the post-modernist as well as his view of the pre-modernist...both are drains on society and obstacles to progress



Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Maybe a parsing of the difference between truth and belief, since much of what goes on is based more in belief than fact (ideology, economics, religion)



i think that is correct. his critique basically asserts that both the fringe groups think their belief is truth...when in fact, its bigoted, close minded belief
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Re: Fantastic Article -- Enemies of Modernity

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:33 pm

That illustration points to how the horseshoe theory is more applicable than ever in our political discourse imo.

Ideological extremists aren't all that different regardless of whether they are 'alt-right' or 'far-left'. They both play the identity politics game and subscribe to collectivism over individuality. It's just that on the 'alt-right' there is the obvious red flag w/ the prevalent racism from whites so it's easier to identify and call out. But neither extreme listens to anything and demands a dogmatic mindset from it's contingent where independent thought is not permitted.
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Re: Fantastic Article -- Enemies of Modernity

Postby The Outsider » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:13 pm

Yeah, anyone who is extreme about anything is ****ing annoying and more than likely incapable or unwilling of critical or analytical thought.

That said, there is value to some of the ideas on both sides of the aisle, they just get tainted by their associations with shitbirds.
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