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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby uscbucsfan » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:43 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
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The biggest issue outside of the amount of actual votes, is that no one, not dems, republicans, or the rest of us have a solution that a majority (even on a party level) agrees upon regarding immigration. Your party is just as fractured on the issue as anyone. That line is ignorant at best and in the least just lazy.

Tell that to Brazen, according to him, we're all ready for open borders over here.

They have the puck, they have the power play, but they're just skating around the ice and somehow that's the defense's fault. They should take a friggin shot or get off the ice.

(I don't even watch hockey, but it was a better metaphor than a football one)

I would say engage in discussion, help him, but I know your relationship is rocky at best.

It's easy to see why some believe dems want a version of open borders. While all say they do not and value border security, many support things like abolishing ICE, not breaking up families, not holding families, not having a wall, not deporting illegals who aren't violent criminals. All of that adds up to a version of open borders for a large percentage of these people coming in. After that is brought up, it seems to get lost in a debate on semantics on what "open borders" entails. Nothing is resolved, rinse and repeat.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Zarniwoop » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:01 pm

When it comes to our immigration laws I don’t have much problem with them. I’ve discussed a couple small things that I would have different but they aren’t that big a deal

When it comes to executing our laws, I think we suck
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:57 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:
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Republican House, Republican Senate, Republican President, conservative court. No immigration bill...


Is this your new thing?

It's almost like you don't know how the government works. It's a nice little line to avoid discussing things, though.


Its laughable, he leaves out how the Dems vote.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:01 pm

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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Zarniwoop » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:10 pm

I love when countries in europe talk down to us about our immigration laws....

A new set of laws governing life in 25 low-income, heavily Muslim enclaves in Denmark – officially labeled as “ghettos” – is the latest salvo as Europe grapples with integrating an influx of migrants.

Beginning at the age of 1, “ghetto children” must be separated from their “ghetto parents” for 25 hours per week for mandatory instruction in so-called “Danish values,” which includes learning about the language and the traditions of Christmas and Easter, The New York Times reported.

Families that don’t comply with the rules could see their welfare payments cut off. Danish citizens outside of these areas are able to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to age 6.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:25 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:I love when countries in europe talk down to us about our immigration laws....

A new set of laws governing life in 25 low-income, heavily Muslim enclaves in Denmark – officially labeled as “ghettos” – is the latest salvo as Europe grapples with integrating an influx of migrants.

Beginning at the age of 1, “ghetto children” must be separated from their “ghetto parents” for 25 hours per week for mandatory instruction in so-called “Danish values,” which includes learning about the language and the traditions of Christmas and Easter, The New York Times reported.

Families that don’t comply with the rules could see their welfare payments cut off. Danish citizens outside of these areas are able to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to age 6.

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une 27th, 2018 11:19 am| by Stephen Gadd
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As a result of recent legislation, from school year 2019/2020 it will be obligatory for pupils in schools with more than 30 percent of their intake from ghetto areas to take a language test.

Twenty-four schools out of a possible 44 have decided to act as ‘guinea pigs’ already and will implement the tests after the summer holidays, reports DR Nyheder.

Pupils who are 5-6 years old and in the so-called ‘børnehaveklasse’, or 0 class will be tested to assess their Danish skills.

Merete Riisager, the Danish minister of education, is very pleased at the take-up.

“It is definitely much better than I had expected because it is voluntary to take part this year. So to see so many schools getting to grips with the important work of raising language standards for this group of pupils makes me very proud,” said Riisager.

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The ministry has made no secret of the fact that the tests are aimed especially at children and parents with a Middle Eastern background.

“There are a number of parents who come from the Middle East who have a totally different understanding of pedagogy, childhood and school than their Scandinavian counterparts,” added the minister.

The minister sees the tests as a tool to help both children and pupils in the long run.


So depending on how you look at it....and I had to go from the NYT to TIME to the Danish News to get this...It's viewed as either a crackdown or an effort to integrate poor immigrants into Danish culture.

Europe as a whole has had to take the brunt of Immigrants bailing out of Syria, Egypt, Iraq, and the Horn of Africa and this is stoking some anti-immigration feeling in the continent. Some of it downright fascist.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:35 pm

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Not to mention the bought and paid for Pub votes that go along with the Dems. The corruption in congress has been about the same MB's entire life and he still dont see it.

Tell me the last time the Dems cooperated unless a bill is loaded with all kinds of presents for them.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby RedLeader » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:50 pm

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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby HamBone » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:56 pm

Caradoc wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:

when did Bernie say he wants open Borders ?
Didn't Reagan grant amnesty to millions of undocumented.?

It always amuses me when the right wing nut jobs accuse the left of wanting big government... meanwhile ICE was created in 2003 and has now grown to 20,000 agents. ??


Reagan was supposed to get much stricter enforcement in return for the amnesty. We never got it. Which is why people now don't trust democrats when they say they'll give something after we give amnesty first.


Part of the reason I don’t trust either party...
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby HamBone » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:58 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:That line is ignorant at best and in the least just lazy.


Usc meet MB...MB meet Usc
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:28 pm

HamBone wrote:
Caradoc wrote:
Reagan was supposed to get much stricter enforcement in return for the amnesty. We never got it. Which is why people now don't trust democrats when they say they'll give something after we give amnesty first.


Part of the reason I don’t trust either party...

Wow. Bold position.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Brazen331 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:37 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Tell that to Brazen, according to him, we're all ready for open borders over here.

They have the puck, they have the power play, but they're just skating around the ice and somehow that's the defense's fault. They should take a friggin shot or get off the ice.

(I don't even watch hockey, but it was a better metaphor than a football one)

I would say engage in discussion, help him, but I know your relationship is rocky at best.

It's easy to see why some believe dems want a version of open borders. While all say they do not and value border security, many support things like abolishing ICE, not breaking up families, not holding families, not having a wall, not deporting illegals who aren't violent criminals. All of that adds up to a version of open borders for a large percentage of these people coming in. After that is brought up, it seems to get lost in a debate on semantics on what "open borders" entails. Nothing is resolved, rinse and repeat.


Dems don’t even want to deport criminal aliens. You get called racist if you say anything negative about MS-13, much less try to deport them.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby deltbucs » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:44 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:I love when countries in europe talk down to us about our immigration laws....

A new set of laws governing life in 25 low-income, heavily Muslim enclaves in Denmark – officially labeled as “ghettos” – is the latest salvo as Europe grapples with integrating an influx of migrants.

Beginning at the age of 1, “ghetto children” must be separated from their “ghetto parents” for 25 hours per week for mandatory instruction in so-called “Danish values,” which includes learning about the language and the traditions of Christmas and Easter, The New York Times reported.

Families that don’t comply with the rules could see their welfare payments cut off. Danish citizens outside of these areas are able to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to age 6.

So their kids are forced to go to preschool and learn about their new culture or they don't get welfare anymore? What an incredible spin, though. Let me guess....Brietbart? Faux News?
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Zarniwoop » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:20 pm

Lol, cause I post things from Breitbart all the time!!


Close but it was the NYT just as MB said above


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/w ... ettos.html




I can just imagine the response if this was being done here in the US and it was Trumps plan and if Muslims or Hispanics were being referred to this way and these policies were being adopted that forced them to go to school at 1 to be “educated” in our culture and language and Christian holidays while all the privileged white kids were able to stay at home with their parents and didn’t need such conditioning

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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:28 am

MB got him a few hours of Ban Ice and it inspired him to put his nose right back in the fight. Start charging a thousand dollars a person on all legal vehicle crossings - everyday and see if Congress gets a bill passed.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Jason Bourne » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:30 am

Brazen331 wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:I would say engage in discussion, help him, but I know your relationship is rocky at best.

It's easy to see why some believe dems want a version of open borders. While all say they do not and value border security, many support things like abolishing ICE, not breaking up families, not holding families, not having a wall, not deporting illegals who aren't violent criminals. All of that adds up to a version of open borders for a large percentage of these people coming in. After that is brought up, it seems to get lost in a debate on semantics on what "open borders" entails. Nothing is resolved, rinse and repeat.


Dems don’t even want to deport criminal aliens. You get called racist if you say anything negative about MS-13, much less try to deport them.



you do realize ms-13 is not an highly organized gang ? its nowhere near the Bloods,crips and latin kings... its basically a bunch of 12-16 year olds the has Trumps panties in a wad.its comical that he refers to ms-13 that they are some all powerful gang.

https://www.propublica.org/article/ms-1 ... gets-wrong
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:37 am

Jason Bourne wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
Dems don’t even want to deport criminal aliens. You get called racist if you say anything negative about MS-13, much less try to deport them.



you do realize ms-13 is not an highly organized gang ? its nowhere near the Bloods,crips and latin kings... its basically a bunch of 12-16 year olds the has Trumps panties in a wad.its comical that he refers to ms-13 that they are some all powerful gang.

https://www.propublica.org/article/ms-1 ... gets-wrong

He knows what he's told.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:53 am

At the heart of everything is criminal enterprises. You can bet that US citizens and Mexicans use the illegal banner to run highly thought out plans to get drugs from one point to another. Then its the illegals that get the slap on the wrist for running interference, while a 1,000/10,000 pounds of coke rolls into Denver from Ciudad Juarez.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:56 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:

you do realize ms-13 is not an highly organized gang ? its nowhere near the Bloods,crips and latin kings... its basically a bunch of 12-16 year olds the has Trumps panties in a wad.its comical that he refers to ms-13 that they are some all powerful gang.

https://www.propublica.org/article/ms-1 ... gets-wrong

He knows what he's told.



They all have the same goal, establish groups all over our friggin country.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby deltbucs » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:20 am

Zarniwoop wrote:Lol, cause I post things from Breitbart all the time!!


Close but it was the NYT just as MB said above


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/w ... ettos.html




I can just imagine the response if this was being done here in the US and it was Trumps plan and if Muslims or Hispanics were being referred to this way and these policies were being adopted that forced them to go to school at 1 to be “educated” in our culture and language and Christian holidays while all the privileged white kids were able to stay at home with their parents and didn’t need such conditioning

:roll:

I could imagine that. And I'd imagine they would only be out done by people on the other team who would be enraged about immigrants/minorities getting socialist (or what they call communist) free preschool/day care that comes out of our taxes. DEY TOOK ER JEBS!!!
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:39 am

I’m sure there are many white nationalist extreme alt-right xenophobic groups that will be happy they would have your support for policies like this.


Meanwhile I’ll side with the lefties at the NYT and see this policy for what it really is
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby deltbucs » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:15 am

Zarniwoop wrote:I’m sure there are many white nationalist extreme alt-right xenophobic groups that will be happy they would have your support for policies like this.


Meanwhile I’ll side with the lefties at the NYT and see this policy for what it really is

Ok...I'll form my own opinion.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:50 am

I say we start fining Mexico for illegals entering the country. Hold them responsible, its the only way to limit this disaster.
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Plus improved border wall/fence.

Legislation. and pathway to citizenship
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Jason Bourne » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:24 am

mdb1958 wrote:I say we start fining Mexico for illegals entering the country. Hold them responsible, its the only way to limit this disaster.
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Plus improved border wall/fence.

Legislation. and pathway to citizenship


so how are you going to make them pay the fine ?...they could(will) laugh at you
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby deltbucs » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:17 am

Jason Bourne wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:I say we start fining Mexico for illegals entering the country. Hold them responsible, its the only way to limit this disaster.
e-Verify
Plus improved border wall/fence.

Legislation. and pathway to citizenship


so how are you going to make them pay the fine ?...they could(will) laugh at you

We're going to make them pay the fine the same way that we're making them pay for the wall!
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby NYBF » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:50 am

Anyone else worried mdb is ramping up for a 2020 run?
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Ken Carson » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:21 am

NYBF wrote:Anyone else worried mdb is ramping up for a 2020 run?

He could win a house seat in plenty of districts...
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:23 am

I’ll be honest, I’d vote for MDB simply so I could watch CSpan more often
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby uscbucsfan » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:23 am

Zarniwoop wrote:I’ll be honest, I’d vote for MDB simply so I could watch CSpan more often

I'd imagine it would be like Rick Sanchez on a drunken rant.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:38 am

Jason Bourne wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:I say we start fining Mexico for illegals entering the country. Hold them responsible, its the only way to limit this disaster.
e-Verify
Plus improved border wall/fence.

Legislation. and pathway to citizenship


so how are you going to make them pay the fine ?...they could(will) laugh at you


Make a trade deal with Great Britain and tell Mexico the highways are shutdown till they clean up the drugs, pay for the wall, and stop letting people come thru so easily...
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