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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Caradoc » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:19 pm

RedLeader wrote:I’ll take ‘Sanctuary Cities’ for a thousand, Alex...



"We don't want open borders, we just want anyone to be able to move here ant any time and instantly have the same rights and privileges as the rest of our citizens."


As long as they vote democrat
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:45 pm

I can't imagine why any immigrants would want to vote for democrats.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby deltbucs » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:39 pm

Caradoc wrote:
RedLeader wrote:I’ll take ‘Sanctuary Cities’ for a thousand, Alex...



"We don't want open borders, we just want anyone to be able to move here ant any time and instantly have the same rights and privileges as the rest of our citizens."


As long as they vote democrat

Who is "we"?
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:51 pm

You are a part of we. Gillibrand already came out for open borders, so did Deblasio. Once Bernie admits he is for them as well, I’m sure you will follow suit.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:54 pm

Brazen331 wrote:You are a part of we. Gillibrand already came out for open borders, so did Deblasio. Once Bernie admits he is for them as well, I’m sure you will follow suit.

Sigh...Link to Gillibrand and DiBlasio calling for open borders, please.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:10 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:You are a part of we. Gillibrand already came out for open borders, so did Deblasio. Once Bernie admits he is for them as well, I’m sure you will follow suit.

Sigh...Link to Gillibrand and DiBlasio calling for open borders, please.


Calling for the abolition of ICE is calling for open borders.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:13 pm

Brazen331 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Sigh...Link to Gillibrand and DiBlasio calling for open borders, please.


Calling for the abolition of ICE is calling for open borders.

How so? I don't think that's true.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby deltbucs » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:44 pm

Brazen331 wrote:You are a part of we. Gillibrand already came out for open borders, so did Deblasio. Once Bernie admits he is for them as well, I’m sure you will follow suit.

So I am currently part of "we" or I will be once Bernie, as you point out, inevitably admits that he is for open borders?
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:36 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
Calling for the abolition of ICE is calling for open borders.

How so? I don't think that's true.


Of course it is. Despite Leftist propaganda, ICE’s main job is not to separate families. It is rather, to battle international criminal gangs, drug trafficking, and so on.

It seems the Left believes more international crime within ourborders is an adequate price to pay to artificially gerrymander the nation with the Left’s favorite immigrant classification: illegal, non-white, uneducated, unskilled and unable to speak English.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:58 pm

deltbucs wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:You are a part of we. Gillibrand already came out for open borders, so did Deblasio. Once Bernie admits he is for them as well, I’m sure you will follow suit.

So I am currently part of "we" or I will be once Bernie, as you point out, inevitably admits that he is for open borders?


I think you’ll wait to get your marching orders from Bernie. And he is not going to just come out say he is for ‘open borders,’ using that exact phrase. He is going to use code language, what the Left likes to refer to as a dog whistle, you know, phrases like abolish ICE.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:40 am

MB, are you a socialist?

After you (your team) take everybody's property including Outsiders, how much do you expect to get every month?

What will you do, if your gov't decides you should be the lawn mower man?
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:56 am

mdb1958 wrote:MB, are you a socialist?

After you (your team) take everybody's property including Outsiders, how much do you expect to get every month?

What will you do, if your gov't decides you should be the lawn mower man?

Why did you even ask?
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:00 am

Brazen331 wrote:
deltbucs wrote:So I am currently part of "we" or I will be once Bernie, as you point out, inevitably admits that he is for open borders?


I think you’ll wait to get your marching orders from Bernie. And he is not going to just come out say he is for ‘open borders,’ using that exact phrase. He is going to use code language, what the Left likes to refer to as a dog whistle, you know, phrases like abolish ICE.

Code words. Like saying "open borders" instead of "amnesty".

10 years ago it was "Liberals want amnesty". Now its "Liberals want open borders".

Props for taking it a step further suggesting we want international crime now.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:16 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:MB, are you a socialist?

After you (your team) take everybody's property including Outsiders, how much do you expect to get every month?

What will you do, if your gov't decides you should be the lawn mower man?

Why did you even ask?



To see if you were capable of a one word answer.

2nd question was a really tough number

3rd question was to see if you felt slighted that Outtie gets to run the air conditioned pot store and you have to work like a dog for the same amount of money. Bootz, calling the authorities on you for using your phone for social media while your mowing his yard.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Jason Bourne » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:27 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
I think you’ll wait to get your marching orders from Bernie. And he is not going to just come out say he is for ‘open borders,’ using that exact phrase. He is going to use code language, what the Left likes to refer to as a dog whistle, you know, phrases like abolish ICE.

Code words. Like saying "open borders" instead of "amnesty".

10 years ago it was "Liberals want amnesty". Now its "Liberals want open borders".

Props for taking it a step further suggesting we want international crime now.



when did Bernie say he wants open Borders ?
Didn't Reagan grant amnesty to millions of undocumented.?

It always amuses me when the right wing nut jobs accuse the left of wanting big government... meanwhile ICE was created in 2003 and has now grown to 20,000 agents. ??
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby deltbucs » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:28 am

Brazen331 wrote:
deltbucs wrote:So I am currently part of "we" or I will be once Bernie, as you point out, inevitably admits that he is for open borders?


I think you’ll wait to get your marching orders from Bernie. And he is not going to just come out say he is for ‘open borders,’ using that exact phrase. He is going to use code language, what the Left likes to refer to as a dog whistle, you know, phrases like abolish ICE.

LOL!! Classic Brazen
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:48 am

mdb1958 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Why did you even ask?



To see if you were capable of a one word answer.

2nd question was a really tough number

3rd question was to see if you felt slighted that Outtie gets to run the air conditioned pot store and you have to work like a dog for the same amount of money. Bootz, calling the authorities on you for using your phone for social media while your mowing his yard.

Weird.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Brazen331 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:36 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
I think you’ll wait to get your marching orders from Bernie. And he is not going to just come out say he is for ‘open borders,’ using that exact phrase. He is going to use code language, what the Left likes to refer to as a dog whistle, you know, phrases like abolish ICE.

Code words. Like saying "open borders" instead of "amnesty".

10 years ago it was "Liberals want amnesty". Now its "Liberals want open borders".

Props for taking it a step further suggesting we want international crime now.


I didn’t say you ‘want’ international crime. And I’m not talking about you, or Liberals like you, but the leadership of your party.

When you pass sanctuary city laws and make it difficult for ICE to deport known criminals, and pass catch and release laws...yes...obviously the leadership of your party believes that more international crime is an adequate price to gerrymander the demographics of the nation more to their liking.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:20 pm

Brazen331 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Code words. Like saying "open borders" instead of "amnesty".

10 years ago it was "Liberals want amnesty". Now its "Liberals want open borders".

Props for taking it a step further suggesting we want international crime now.


I didn’t say you ‘want’ international crime. And I’m not talking about you, or Liberals like you, but the leadership of your party.

When you pass sanctuary city laws and make it difficult for ICE to deport known criminals, and pass catch and release laws...yes...obviously the leadership of your party believes that more international crime is an adequate price to gerrymander the demographics of the nation more to their liking.

Aaaaand that argument is older than the hills. Democrats want illegals so illegals can vote for democrats.It's an argument that looks around for evidence and has been doing so for the 20+ years I've been following politics.

You guys can't say that democrats want open borders one day when a week prior you cited Presidents Clinton and Obama as being tough on immigration as justification for Trump's policy. You don't get to have it both ways.

I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that your party leadership has near complete control of all 3 branches of government and can pass whatever immigration reform you want, whenever you want. Perhaps you should turn around and ask your party leadership why they haven't sent the President a bill yet?
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Brazen331 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:09 pm

Who was saying catch-and-release Obama was tough on immigration? You party does want the illegal immigrants, but what they want even more is the issue to rile their base.

Pubs do the same thing; they like the issue for their base as well.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Buc2 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:15 pm

Brazen331 wrote:Who was saying catch-and-release Obama was tough on immigration? You party does want the illegal immigrants, but what they want even more is the issue to rile their base.

Pubs do the same thing; they like the issue for their base as well.

Exactly. And that goes to what zarni (?) has said on these pages... That neither side wants to fix the issue because they prefer to use it to rile their respective bases.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:22 pm

Brazen331 wrote:Who was saying catch-and-release Obama was tough on immigration? You party does want the illegal immigrants, but what they want even more is the issue to rile their base.

Pubs do the same thing; they like the issue for their base as well.

Again. democrats are almost completely out of power. Remember last week when you delighted in Kennedy's retirement because trump could put anyone in there he wants and there's nothing democrats can do about it? Same **** no matter the issue.

Why don't you turn around and ask your guys why they haven't done anything on this yet. You're having so much fun barking at the libtards you haven't been paying attention to the fact that your guys are doing didly squat legislatively.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Brazen331 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:24 pm

I think we can probably agree that the abolishment of ICE is a fringe view regarding the nation as a whole. But the question is whether it is a majority or minority opinion within the Democratic Party?

When have Liberals and Socialists ever called to dismantle a Federal Bureaucracy? This is what they live for. So the question is why?

That’s why MBs claims of nothing to see here, the Democrats want border security like the rest of us, doesnt really hold up well to scrutiny.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:45 pm

Brazen331 wrote:I think we can probably agree that the abolishment of ICE is a fringe view regarding the nation as a whole. It's not But the question is whether it is a majority or minority opinion within the Democratic Party? Majority

When have Liberals and Socialists ever called to dismantle a Federal Bureaucracy? This is what they live for. So the question is why?
Jim Crow
Prison system
Military Industrial Complex
TSA
DHS
Navient
Redistricting committees
Electoral College
Guantanamo Bay
PATRIOT Act
NSA Metadata
Need more examples?



That’s why MBs claims of nothing to see here, the Democrats want border security like the rest of us, doesnt really hold up well to scrutiny.
We do, just not in the shitbag xenophobic way you do. Keep up the good fight tho.


Republican House, Republican Senate, Republican President, conservative court. No immigration bill...
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby bucfanclw » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:46 pm

I really can't keep track. Was Obama Mr. Catch and Release on immigration or was he running the same policies of family separation as Trump? History seems to change daily on this subject.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby uscbucsfan » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:50 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:I think we can probably agree that the abolishment of ICE is a fringe view regarding the nation as a whole. It's not But the question is whether it is a majority or minority opinion within the Democratic Party? Majority

When have Liberals and Socialists ever called to dismantle a Federal Bureaucracy? This is what they live for. So the question is why?
Jim Crow
Prison system
Military Industrial Complex
TSA
DHS
Navient
Redistricting committees
Electoral College
Guantanamo Bay
PATRIOT Act
NSA Metadata
Need more examples?



That’s why MBs claims of nothing to see here, the Democrats want border security like the rest of us, doesnt really hold up well to scrutiny.
We do, just not in the shitbag xenophobic way you do. Keep up the good fight tho.


Republican House, Republican Senate, Republican President, conservative court. No immigration bill...


Is this your new thing?

It's almost like you don't know how the government works. It's a nice little line to avoid discussing things, though.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:58 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Republican House, Republican Senate, Republican President, conservative court. No immigration bill...


Is this your new thing?

It's almost like you don't know how the government works. It's a nice little line to avoid discussing things, though.

I'm not going to accept accountability for this President and his party an their mutual inability to accomplish anything despite near complete power. You'd think Hillary won the election with this nonsense.

We can sit over here and scream "abolish ICE" till the cows come home. We are a bare minimum 2 election cycles away from making that happen. But Brazen insists we talk about Democrats wanting open borders? They could pass the bill to build the wall tomorrow.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Caradoc » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:01 pm

Jason Bourne wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Code words. Like saying "open borders" instead of "amnesty".

10 years ago it was "Liberals want amnesty". Now its "Liberals want open borders".

Props for taking it a step further suggesting we want international crime now.



when did Bernie say he wants open Borders ?
Didn't Reagan grant amnesty to millions of undocumented.?

It always amuses me when the right wing nut jobs accuse the left of wanting big government... meanwhile ICE was created in 2003 and has now grown to 20,000 agents. ??


Reagan was supposed to get much stricter enforcement in return for the amnesty. We never got it. Which is why people now don't trust democrats when they say they'll give something after we give amnesty first.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby uscbucsfan » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:04 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:
Is this your new thing?

It's almost like you don't know how the government works. It's a nice little line to avoid discussing things, though.

I'm not going to accept accountability for this President and his party an their mutual inability to accomplish anything despite near complete power. You'd think Hillary won the election with this nonsense.

We can sit over here and scream "abolish ICE" till the cows come home. We are a bare minimum 2 election cycles away from making that happen. But Brazen insists we talk about Democrats wanting open borders? They could pass the bill to build the wall tomorrow.


The biggest issue outside of the amount of actual votes, is that no one, not dems, republicans, or the rest of us have a solution that a majority (even on a party level) agrees upon regarding immigration. Your party is just as fractured on the issue as anyone. That line is ignorant at best and in the least just lazy.
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Re: Immigration question for the Progressives

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:27 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:I'm not going to accept accountability for this President and his party an their mutual inability to accomplish anything despite near complete power. You'd think Hillary won the election with this nonsense.

We can sit over here and scream "abolish ICE" till the cows come home. We are a bare minimum 2 election cycles away from making that happen. But Brazen insists we talk about Democrats wanting open borders? They could pass the bill to build the wall tomorrow.


The biggest issue outside of the amount of actual votes, is that no one, not dems, republicans, or the rest of us have a solution that a majority (even on a party level) agrees upon regarding immigration. Your party is just as fractured on the issue as anyone. That line is ignorant at best and in the least just lazy.

Tell that to Brazen, according to him, we're all ready for open borders over here.

They have the puck, they have the power play, but they're just skating around the ice and somehow that's the defense's fault. They should take a friggin shot or get off the ice.

(I don't even watch hockey, but it was a better metaphor than a football one)
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