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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby NavyBuc » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:14 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:\

I think at this point the best strategy for whomever the opposing candidate is would be to completely ignore Donald Trump like the little brat he is. Resist the temptation to give attention to the bratty kid screaming and stay on message (Economy, jobs, healthcare, etc). The reason why is that everybody knows who DT is and how he goes about his day. You declare Donald Trump the worst President ever and the public says "tell me something I don't know". Once you start attacking him, you're playing his game, you're off message, and he'll beat you with experience.


Hillary tried the ignore game with the "When they go low, we go high" bullshit. That's not going to work. I think the Dems need a good young, new face. Biden and Bernie are way too old and cranky. Elizabeth Warren is too much of a whacko. Eric Holder is too boring. And Corey Booker thinks he's Obama, Jr. I've been saying for some time that Kamala Harris or Julian Castro, as of now, are the Democrats best options. However, I do think Bernie and Biden, while pretty damn old, can beat Trump. Biden is just as mouthy as Trump and would go toe-to-toe with him and Bernie is able to get the youth vote and enthusiasm, despite turning our country socialist.

That being said, the Democrats need to stop obsessing with Donald Trump and come up with a message that isn't "Let's impeach Trump and criticize everything he does." Unfortunately, the media isn't doing them any favors by going anti-Trump 24/7. It's only firing up the base and even independents because independents hate the media as well. They need to change their game plan. Maybe come up with a slogan that says "Make America normal again." Hold off on this impeachment talk until Mueller's report comes out. This whole "treason" crap is what pisses people off. Even democrats are saying it's stupid.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby Brazen331 » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:27 pm

NavyBuc wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:\

I think at this point the best strategy for whomever the opposing candidate is would be to completely ignore Donald Trump like the little brat he is. Resist the temptation to give attention to the bratty kid screaming and stay on message (Economy, jobs, healthcare, etc). The reason why is that everybody knows who DT is and how he goes about his day. You declare Donald Trump the worst President ever and the public says "tell me something I don't know". Once you start attacking him, you're playing his game, you're off message, and he'll beat you with experience.


Hillary tried the ignore game with the "When they go low, we go high" bullshit. That's not going to work. I think the Dems need a good young, new face. Biden and Bernie are way too old and cranky. Elizabeth Warren is too much of a whacko. Eric Holder is too boring. And Corey Booker thinks he's Obama, Jr. I've been saying for some time that Kamala Harris or Julian Castro, as of now, are the Democrats best options. However, I do think Bernie and Biden, while pretty damn old, can beat Trump. Biden is just as mouthy as Trump and would go toe-to-toe with him and Bernie is able to get the youth vote and enthusiasm, despite turning our country socialist.

That being said, the Democrats need to stop obsessing with Donald Trump and come up with a message that isn't "Let's impeach Trump and criticize everything he does." Unfortunately, the media isn't doing them any favors by going anti-Trump 24/7. It's only firing up the base and even independents because independents hate the media as well. They need to change their game plan. Maybe come up with a slogan that says "Make America normal again." Hold off on this impeachment talk until Mueller's report comes out. This whole "treason" crap is what pisses people off. Even democrats are saying it's stupid.


The media isn't doing the Democrats any favors? The media is doing exactly what the Democrats want them to do. Both these institutions are in lock step. The Democrats and the media are talking about exactly what they want to talk about. The reason they don't talk about the economy is because they are weak in that arena and any economic discussion helps Trump.

The reason that the Democrats and media only talk about Russia and impeachment is because these are the only subjects that pique their interest.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:46 pm

You're both wrong, IMO.

But it's too late in the evening to tell you why.


Edit: not that you'd listen anyway.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby RedLeader » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:14 pm

Ken Carson wrote:If we put a reasonable person with a clear agenda, 2020 is a cake walk. Unfortunately, we're halfway there and the loud end of the party is still eating out of his hand.


This. So much this.


The only agenda thus far is “get trump”! Lol.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby MJW » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:14 am

RedLeader wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:If we put a reasonable person with a clear agenda, 2020 is a cake walk. Unfortunately, we're halfway there and the loud end of the party is still eating out of his hand.


This. So much this.


The only agenda thus far is “get trump”! Lol.


Especially if it's been sold by someone like Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, or Bernie Sanders. Looking at this list - how many of these people are significantly more likable or charismatic than Trump (or Hillary, for that matter?) Deval Patrick, maybe. At least 10-12 people on this list are a push with Trump in terms of humanity.

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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:23 am

Ken the prob is the flawed agenda and the lack of understanding of the dark road it will travel on.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby RedLeader » Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:07 pm

“On Wednesday, President Trump won another major victory, as the European Union delegation meeting with him agreed to significant concessions to avoid a trade war.”
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby The Outsider » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:02 pm

RedLeader wrote:“On Wednesday, President Trump won another major victory, as the European Union delegation meeting with him agreed to significant concessions to avoid a trade war.”



That's interesting. This morning I read this article: https://www.businessinsider.com/trade-w ... ump-2018-7

It paints a rather different picture than your unsourced quotation above.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby uscbucsfan » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:20 pm

The Outsider wrote:
RedLeader wrote:“On Wednesday, President Trump won another major victory, as the European Union delegation meeting with him agreed to significant concessions to avoid a trade war.”



That's interesting. This morning I read this article: https://www.businessinsider.com/trade-w ... ump-2018-7

It paints a rather different picture than your unsourced quotation above.

Things chased since this morning. Even CNN is reporting it.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby The Outsider » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:28 pm

Just read an article current within the past hour. While it seems both sides are working towards a resolution of the trade war I haven't seen anything concrete about the EU making any sort of concessions outside of both parties agreeing to hold off on future tariffs as they work out a deal.

Also, the majority of the statements I've read have been straight from Trump's mouth, and forgive me for this stretch, but I feel like he isn't the best source of factual information. I guess I'll wait until details come out from actually reputable persons in the government before I form my final opinion on the matter.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby uscbucsfan » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:34 pm

."We will not go against the spirit of this agreement unless either party terminates the negotiation," he said. "So, we're starting the negotiation right now but we know very much where it's going."
Juncker said both sides agreed to "hold off on other tariffs" while talks proceed.


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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby RedLeader » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:38 pm

The Outsider wrote:
RedLeader wrote:“On Wednesday, President Trump won another major victory, as the European Union delegation meeting with him agreed to significant concessions to avoid a trade war.”



That's interesting. This morning I read this article: https://www.businessinsider.com/trade-w ... ump-2018-7

It paints a rather different picture than your unsourced quotation above.


Lol.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby uscbucsfan » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:41 pm

To be fair, I haven't seen anything about Trump winning. It looks like both sides are pausing tariffs while they negotiate
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby The Outsider » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:47 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:To be fair, I haven't seen anything about Trump winning. It looks like both sides are pausing tariffs while they negotiate


That was what I was confused about with RL's post as it outright stated that the EU "agreed to significant concessions".
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby RedLeader » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:55 pm

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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby The Outsider » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:53 pm




From what I can actually see of the article (it's behind a paywall) it says much the same as the others, basically a mutual agreement to halt further tariffs while a deal is worked out. As I said, hardly significant concessions.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:19 pm

If Trump pulls this off, I’ll gladly come back and eat some crow - deep fried, extra crispy with mashed potatoes and green beans
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby Babeinbucland » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:46 pm

Ken Carson wrote:If we put a reasonable person with a clear agenda, 2020 is a cake walk.


I truly want to hear what you consider a reasonable person and what would be the clear agenda that locks up your vote?
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:52 pm

Babeinbucland wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:If we put a reasonable person with a clear agenda, 2020 is a cake walk.


I truly want to hear what you consider a reasonable person and what would be the clear agenda that locks up your vote?

I'd also like to know.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby RedLeader » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:53 pm

The Outsider wrote:



From what I can actually see of the article (it's behind a paywall) it says much the same as the others, basically a mutual agreement to halt further tariffs while a deal is worked out. As I said, hardly significant concessions.


Actually, what you said was more along the lines of...

“That's interesting. This morning I read an article that paints a rather different picture than your unsourced quotation above.”

Something about “Europe readies to hit the US with tariffs on $20 billion in goods”, or rather..

To which i again, LOL.



Just sit back and enjoy some good news, will ya..

Bitterness isnt a good look on anyone.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby RedLeader » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:54 pm

Babeinbucland wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:If we put a reasonable person with a clear agenda, 2020 is a cake walk.


I truly want to hear what you consider a reasonable person and what would be the clear agenda that locks up your vote?


I think just having ‘an’ agenda would be a good start.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby The Outsider » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:57 pm

RedLeader wrote:
The Outsider wrote:

From what I can actually see of the article (it's behind a paywall) it says much the same as the others, basically a mutual agreement to halt further tariffs while a deal is worked out. As I said, hardly significant concessions.


Actually, what you said was more along the lines of...

“That's interesting. This morning I read an article that paints a rather different picture than your unsourced quotation above.”

Something about “Europe readies to hit the US with tariffs on $20 billion in goods”, or rather..

To which i again, LOL.



Just sit back and enjoy some good news, will ya..

Bitterness isnt a good look on anyone.



What's bitter about not trusting the official narrative? I mean, that is the president's bread and butter, right? The Trumpette creed, if you will, is "Fake News" of course.

Edit: Also, that's what I said initially before amending my statement. But leave it to BucZone Hannity to spin spin spin.

Seriously, take your bullshit and flush it ya ****.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby RedLeader » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:03 pm

The Outsider wrote:
RedLeader wrote:
Actually, what you said was more along the lines of...

“That's interesting. This morning I read an article that paints a rather different picture than your unsourced quotation above.”

Something about “Europe readies to hit the US with tariffs on $20 billion in goods”, or rather..

To which i again, LOL.



Just sit back and enjoy some good news, will ya..

Bitterness isnt a good look on anyone.



What's bitter about not trusting the official narrative? I mean, that is the president's bread and butter, right? The Trumpette creed, if you will, is "Fake News" of course.

Edit: Also, that's what I said initially before amending my statement. But leave it to BucZone Hannity to spin spin spin.

Seriously, take your bullshit and flush it ya ****.


Ah, i see. The negative news, you’ll lap up and regurgitate.

Anything positive, however, and you need to see official transcripts.


Not bitter at all.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:18 pm

RedLeader wrote:
Babeinbucland wrote:
I truly want to hear what you consider a reasonable person and what would be the clear agenda that locks up your vote?


I think just having ‘an’ agenda would be a good start.

Shaddap.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby Alpha » Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:42 am

mdb1958 wrote:Ken the prob is the flawed agenda and the lack of understanding...


So much truth.

It's almost incomprehensible how stupid and uneducated, the vast majority of Trump voters/supporters are.

I, for one, lack understanding.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby Alpha » Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:46 am

RedLeader wrote:
The Outsider wrote:

What's bitter about not trusting the official narrative? I mean, that is the president's bread and butter, right? The Trumpette creed, if you will, is "Fake News" of course.

Edit: Also, that's what I said initially before amending my statement. But leave it to BucZone Hannity to spin spin spin.

Seriously, take your bullshit and flush it ya ****.


Ah, i see. The negative news, you’ll lap up and regurgitate.

Anything positive, however, and you need to see official transcripts.


Not bitter at all.


Jesus, Sean. You already have a fake "news" network. Do you really need to come to our little board to propogate your delusional view of the world?
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby RedLeader » Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:55 am

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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby Ken Carson » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:20 am

Babeinbucland wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:If we put a reasonable person with a clear agenda, 2020 is a cake walk.


I truly want to hear what you consider a reasonable person and what would be the clear agenda that locks up your vote?

I’d have a hard time picking someone high profile now because of the failure of the party to stand for something over the past 2 years. A historical example is Bill Clinton.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby Buc2 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:20 am

The Outsider wrote:



From what I can actually see of the article (it's behind a paywall) it says much the same as the others, basically a mutual agreement to halt further tariffs while a deal is worked out. As I said, hardly significant concessions.


I have access to a WSJ subscription. Here's the entire article since you don't...

WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump and European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker turned down the heat on a trade dispute between two of the world’s largest economic powers, suggesting Wednesday they would hold off on further tariffs while they talk through their differences.

Speaking in a joint news conference in the Rose Garden on Wednesday, the two leaders agreed to begin discussions on eliminating the tariffs and subsidies that hamper trade across the Atlantic, and to resolve the steel and aluminum tariffs the Trump administration had imposed this year as well as the retaliatory tariffs the European Union imposed in response.


The package of measures announced by Messrs. Trump and Juncker would have the EU buying more liquefied natural gas and soybeans from the U.S., and the two sides would begin a “dialogue to reduce differences on regulatory standards between the two economies,” Mr. Trump said. The two sides also suggested they would hold off on further tariffs—a nod to Mr. Trump’s threats to apply tariffs on imported cars.

While the two sides said the deal was contingent on negotiating in good faith, there was no schedule set to complete the talks, meaning that what amounted to a temporary truce could turn into a permanent one—or fall apart if one side accuses the other of lagging behind. To complete a deal, the EU would also face the difficult task of forging a consensus among all its 28 members, including both France and Germany, who often have divergent trade priorities.

Through the deal, the Trump administration seeks to reduce trade barriers to lower the $152 billion U.S. deficit in merchandise trade with the EU, while European counterparts want an end to repeated threats of new tariffs and other measures to restrict access to the U.S. market.

The proposed pact comes a day after the Trump administration faced criticism on Capitol Hill for its use of tariffs. The GOP-controlled Congress in recent days has spoken out against the prospect that the Trump administration could apply new tariffs on imported autos on top of aluminum and steel tariffs, with lawmakers considering legislation to counter the president’s initiatives.

Before the Oval Office meeting, EU trade representatives had paid visits to Capitol Hill in an effort to recruit allies to pressure Mr. Trump to cut a deal. EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmström also came to Washington to meet with U.S. lawmakers, trying to gauge the chances that the Republican-led Congress would advance legislation, according to a person familiar with the conversation.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch (R., Utah), who last week sent a letter to Mr. Trump warning of legislation if he didn’t pull back from his threats to apply more tariffs, told Ms. Malmström that senators were evaluating their options, the person said. A spokeswoman for Mr. Hatch said he encouraged the commissioner to work with Mr. Trump, taking steps including the reduction of tariffs.

Mr. Trump had been scheduled to meet with lawmakers from farming states after his talks with the European delegation. Instead, a hastily planned Rose Garden event was announced following the talks, with podiums and flags rushed outside the Oval Office for the announcement.

Lawmakers were also asked to attend the event, Mr. Trump specifically calling each of them out by name and declaring his love for American farmers.

News of a deal was welcomed in Congress. “This is an important first step,” said House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Kevin Brady (R., Texas), who was part of a group that met with Mr. Trump at the White House immediately after the president’s meeting with the EU chief wrapped up. “This could lead to exempting Europe from steel and aluminum tariffs.”

Mr. Juncker, meanwhile, came bearing gifts for Mr. Trump, offering to engage in extensive reviews of barriers for U.S. goods to reach European markets. Mr. Juncker also gave Mr. Trump a picture of the military cemetery in his native Luxembourg where U.S. Gen. George Patton, who led U.S. troops in France and Germany at the end of World War II, is buried.

On the picture, Mr. Juncker wrote “Dear Donald, let’s remember our common history,” the EU official said later Wednesday during a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank.

The effort to set aside the trade fight with the EU would help the U.S. focus its economic firepower more specifically on China, which Mr. Trump and his advisers see as the bigger trade priority.

The EU also has concerns about China, and had expressed hopes, earlier in the Trump administration, that it could join forces with the U.S. for a unified front in addressing Chinese trade practices. The U.S. alleges that China pressures U.S. companies to transfer technology to their Chinese partners and unfairly subsidizes its companies, leading to a massive U.S. trade deficit.

Before the Trump-Juncker meeting, Qualcomm Inc. said it planned to scrap its $44 billion purchase of Dutch chip maker NXP Semiconductors NV because it couldn’t get approval in China, adding yet another irritant to the U.S-China trade fight.

China and the EU have retaliated against U.S. tariffs with their own levies on U.S. farmers, a core Republican constituency. The U.S.-EU deal specifically calls for the EU to import more soybeans, a crop targeted by Chinese tariffs.

The U.S. and the EU, as part of their agreement, agreed to try to use the World Trade Organization to deal with issues of intellectual-property theft, government pressure on companies to transfer technology to local partners, and excess capacity in many industries—the heart of the U.S. concerns about China. That would be a big change in tactics for the U.S., which has relied mainly on unilateral actions—including tariffs on $34 billion in Chinese goods—to get Beijing to change course.

Five years ago, then-President Barack Obama formally launched similar broad trade talks with the EU under Mr. Juncker’s predecessor. The talks made little progress, and the Obama administration subsequently focused on the Trans-Pacific Partnership with Asian countries. Mr. Trump blocked the pact immediately after taking office last year.

Under the previous negotiations with the EU to form a Trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, or TTIP, many European officials were unwilling to change rules that limit U.S. agricultural exports to the bloc, while the Obama administration declined Brussels’ requests to align its financial regulations with Europe’s. Still, the Trump administration never formally rejected TTIP.

Ms. Malmström, in a meeting with Mr. Hatch, Sen. John Cornyn (R., Texas) and Sen. Ron Wyden (D., Ore.), the top Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, also floated the idea of reaching an industrial bilateral agreement, the person familiar with the matter said. The term generally refers to cutting tariffs on manufactured goods. The senators didn’t have an immediate reaction, the person said, in part because she didn’t provide details.

Whether the deal with the EU goes further and will result in zero tariffs on autos and trucks is an open question. The joint statement put out by the EU and U.S. said that zero-tariff initiative involved “non-auto industrial goods.”

Mr. Brady said that before the White House meeting, he had urged Ms. Malmström to agree to zero tariffs on automobiles, saying such a concession would be “a big step forward.” But lowering auto tariffs to zero faces political hurdles both in the U.S., which has its own 25% tariff on imported light trucks, and in the EU, which imposes 10% tariffs on auto and light-truck imports.

After the announcement with Mr. Juncker, the president arrived to a closed-door meeting with GOP lawmakers, said Rep. Mike Conaway (R., Texas), who attended.

Lawmakers told the president they were worried about retaliatory tariffs on farmers back home. “He seemed legitimately concerned,” said Mr. Conaway, chairman of the House Agriculture Committee. “He will keep negotiating.”

—Rebecca Ballhaus
and William Mauldin contributed to this article.


There were some charts, such as US automotive exports/imports to/from Germany & the rest of the EU since '08 which showed that, except for a couple years (2009-10), US exports have remained fairly straight line at just under $20B annually while imports have ranged from $45B in 2008 to nearly $70B today.

Regardless, this story is good news for the US and, while it's not over yet, does represent another win for the Trump administration.

Of course, the more Trump "wins" the harder the left and MSM are going to work to bring him down, right? After all, he's such an idiot.
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Re: **OFFICIAL 'FORTY-FIVE' DISCUSSION THREAD**

Postby Swashy » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:46 am

Buc2 wrote:
The Outsider wrote:

From what I can actually see of the article (it's behind a paywall) it says much the same as the others, basically a mutual agreement to halt further tariffs while a deal is worked out. As I said, hardly significant concessions.


I have access to a WSJ subscription. Here's the entire article since you don't...

WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump and European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker turned down the heat on a trade dispute between two of the world’s largest economic powers, suggesting Wednesday they would hold off on further tariffs while they talk through their differences.

Speaking in a joint news conference in the Rose Garden on Wednesday, the two leaders agreed to begin discussions on eliminating the tariffs and subsidies that hamper trade across the Atlantic, and to resolve the steel and aluminum tariffs the Trump administration had imposed this year as well as the retaliatory tariffs the European Union imposed in response.


The package of measures announced by Messrs. Trump and Juncker would have the EU buying more liquefied natural gas and soybeans from the U.S., and the two sides would begin a “dialogue to reduce differences on regulatory standards between the two economies,” Mr. Trump said. The two sides also suggested they would hold off on further tariffs—a nod to Mr. Trump’s threats to apply tariffs on imported cars.

While the two sides said the deal was contingent on negotiating in good faith, there was no schedule set to complete the talks, meaning that what amounted to a temporary truce could turn into a permanent one—or fall apart if one side accuses the other of lagging behind. To complete a deal, the EU would also face the difficult task of forging a consensus among all its 28 members, including both France and Germany, who often have divergent trade priorities.

Through the deal, the Trump administration seeks to reduce trade barriers to lower the $152 billion U.S. deficit in merchandise trade with the EU, while European counterparts want an end to repeated threats of new tariffs and other measures to restrict access to the U.S. market.

The proposed pact comes a day after the Trump administration faced criticism on Capitol Hill for its use of tariffs. The GOP-controlled Congress in recent days has spoken out against the prospect that the Trump administration could apply new tariffs on imported autos on top of aluminum and steel tariffs, with lawmakers considering legislation to counter the president’s initiatives.

Before the Oval Office meeting, EU trade representatives had paid visits to Capitol Hill in an effort to recruit allies to pressure Mr. Trump to cut a deal. EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmström also came to Washington to meet with U.S. lawmakers, trying to gauge the chances that the Republican-led Congress would advance legislation, according to a person familiar with the conversation.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch (R., Utah), who last week sent a letter to Mr. Trump warning of legislation if he didn’t pull back from his threats to apply more tariffs, told Ms. Malmström that senators were evaluating their options, the person said. A spokeswoman for Mr. Hatch said he encouraged the commissioner to work with Mr. Trump, taking steps including the reduction of tariffs.

Mr. Trump had been scheduled to meet with lawmakers from farming states after his talks with the European delegation. Instead, a hastily planned Rose Garden event was announced following the talks, with podiums and flags rushed outside the Oval Office for the announcement.

Lawmakers were also asked to attend the event, Mr. Trump specifically calling each of them out by name and declaring his love for American farmers.

News of a deal was welcomed in Congress. “This is an important first step,” said House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Kevin Brady (R., Texas), who was part of a group that met with Mr. Trump at the White House immediately after the president’s meeting with the EU chief wrapped up. “This could lead to exempting Europe from steel and aluminum tariffs.”

Mr. Juncker, meanwhile, came bearing gifts for Mr. Trump, offering to engage in extensive reviews of barriers for U.S. goods to reach European markets. Mr. Juncker also gave Mr. Trump a picture of the military cemetery in his native Luxembourg where U.S. Gen. George Patton, who led U.S. troops in France and Germany at the end of World War II, is buried.

On the picture, Mr. Juncker wrote “Dear Donald, let’s remember our common history,” the EU official said later Wednesday during a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank.

The effort to set aside the trade fight with the EU would help the U.S. focus its economic firepower more specifically on China, which Mr. Trump and his advisers see as the bigger trade priority.

The EU also has concerns about China, and had expressed hopes, earlier in the Trump administration, that it could join forces with the U.S. for a unified front in addressing Chinese trade practices. The U.S. alleges that China pressures U.S. companies to transfer technology to their Chinese partners and unfairly subsidizes its companies, leading to a massive U.S. trade deficit.

Before the Trump-Juncker meeting, Qualcomm Inc. said it planned to scrap its $44 billion purchase of Dutch chip maker NXP Semiconductors NV because it couldn’t get approval in China, adding yet another irritant to the U.S-China trade fight.

China and the EU have retaliated against U.S. tariffs with their own levies on U.S. farmers, a core Republican constituency. The U.S.-EU deal specifically calls for the EU to import more soybeans, a crop targeted by Chinese tariffs.

The U.S. and the EU, as part of their agreement, agreed to try to use the World Trade Organization to deal with issues of intellectual-property theft, government pressure on companies to transfer technology to local partners, and excess capacity in many industries—the heart of the U.S. concerns about China. That would be a big change in tactics for the U.S., which has relied mainly on unilateral actions—including tariffs on $34 billion in Chinese goods—to get Beijing to change course.

Five years ago, then-President Barack Obama formally launched similar broad trade talks with the EU under Mr. Juncker’s predecessor. The talks made little progress, and the Obama administration subsequently focused on the Trans-Pacific Partnership with Asian countries. Mr. Trump blocked the pact immediately after taking office last year.

Under the previous negotiations with the EU to form a Trans-Atlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, or TTIP, many European officials were unwilling to change rules that limit U.S. agricultural exports to the bloc, while the Obama administration declined Brussels’ requests to align its financial regulations with Europe’s. Still, the Trump administration never formally rejected TTIP.

Ms. Malmström, in a meeting with Mr. Hatch, Sen. John Cornyn (R., Texas) and Sen. Ron Wyden (D., Ore.), the top Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, also floated the idea of reaching an industrial bilateral agreement, the person familiar with the matter said. The term generally refers to cutting tariffs on manufactured goods. The senators didn’t have an immediate reaction, the person said, in part because she didn’t provide details.

Whether the deal with the EU goes further and will result in zero tariffs on autos and trucks is an open question. The joint statement put out by the EU and U.S. said that zero-tariff initiative involved “non-auto industrial goods.”

Mr. Brady said that before the White House meeting, he had urged Ms. Malmström to agree to zero tariffs on automobiles, saying such a concession would be “a big step forward.” But lowering auto tariffs to zero faces political hurdles both in the U.S., which has its own 25% tariff on imported light trucks, and in the EU, which imposes 10% tariffs on auto and light-truck imports.

After the announcement with Mr. Juncker, the president arrived to a closed-door meeting with GOP lawmakers, said Rep. Mike Conaway (R., Texas), who attended.

Lawmakers told the president they were worried about retaliatory tariffs on farmers back home. “He seemed legitimately concerned,” said Mr. Conaway, chairman of the House Agriculture Committee. “He will keep negotiating.”

—Rebecca Ballhaus
and William Mauldin contributed to this article.


There were some charts, such as US automotive exports/imports to/from Germany & the rest of the EU since '08 which showed that, except for a couple years (2009-10), US exports have remained fairly straight line at just under $20B annually while imports have ranged from $45B in 2008 to nearly $70B today.

Regardless, this story is good news for the US and, while it's not over yet, does represent another win for the Trump administration.

Of course, the more Trump "wins" the harder the left and MSM are going to work to bring him down, right? After all, he's such an idiot.


It's nice to wake up to such good news. The left can paint it how they want but the diehard "Mr. Trump is such an awesome president" crowd don't need to be patting themselves on the back over this.

"The proposed pact comes a day after the Trump administration faced criticism on Capitol Hill for its use of tariffs"

"The GOP-controlled Congress in recent days has spoken out against the prospect that the Trump administration could apply new tariffs on imported autos on top of aluminum and steel tariffs, with lawmakers considering legislation to counter the president’s initiatives."

"Before the Oval Office meeting, EU trade representatives had paid visits to Capitol Hill in an effort to recruit allies to pressure Mr. Trump to cut a deal."

"Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch (R., Utah), who last week sent a letter to Mr. Trump warning of legislation if he didn’t pull back from his threats to apply more tariffs"

The WSJ merely gives events as they happened but this leaves a very sour taste in my mouth. I'm thoroughly satisfied that Republicans pushed like this. Seriously, thank you, thank you, thank you for getting the ball rolling. But on the other hand for Trump, what? Does he want a damn cookie for negotiating better tariffs in good faith AFTER the fact? I am highly discouraged that it took threatening litigation to get this going.

In either event this is great press for the GOP and should help them come November. For me, I don't give a damn who runs congress. If they can get a gun to Trump's head and make his ass do something right then they've got my vote.
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