Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

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Should marijuana be legalized?

Yes
44
92%
Yes, but only for medical purposes
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No votes
No
2
4%
No, but decriminalize for possession of small amounts (i.e. 1 gram or less)
2
4%
 
Total votes : 48

Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby The Outsider » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:58 pm

Pirate Life wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:it's a downright shame more people don't see the 50 states as a loose union in accordance with the constitution which would lead to that bolded part that Schumer said.

But everybody has the answer for everybody else. everything has to be federal now.

and we are incredibly worse off for it.


The Constitution wasn't meant to make the country that loose of a union. It was meant to create a stronger federal/centralized government than the one put in place by the Articles of Confederation and to reign in the craziness of the states not having any checks on their individual powers. However, they did the brilliant thing of creating the checks and balances between the three branches of gov't to not consolidate too much power into one gov't body and to force the branches to rely upon one another to get things done. We've just mostly forgotten our civics lessons and forgotten the motto of the US: E Pluribus Unum.


That's a bingo.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Zarniwoop » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:25 pm

Not really.


Look at the number of federal laws and depts in 1790. Then look now.

We don’t even remotely exhibit the characteristics of that nation.


Even the so called Federalists of the time would be extreme libertarians nowadays.

Just look at the stuff Madison was writing about in his papers. Then compare it to the topics of today.

Look at the size of govt then vs now. (As % of gdp ... or indeed any way you want it)


We are nothing in structure like we were.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby The Outsider » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:57 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:Not really.


Look at the number of federal laws and depts in 1790. Then look now.

We don’t even remotely exhibit the characteristics of that nation.


Even the so called Federalists of the time would be extreme libertarians nowadays.

Just look at the stuff Madison was writing about in his papers. Then compare it to the topics of today.

Look at the size of govt then vs now. (As % of gdp ... or indeed any way you want it)


We are nothing in structure like we were.


Look at the size of the population and friggin land mass of the country then vs now. I love libertarianism as an ideology but it's incredibly naive to think a system like that would do anything but collapse in a world with today's technology, the sheer immensity of human interaction, and the changes (and problems) that come with it.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Zarniwoop » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:15 pm

That’s why I said as a percent of GDP. It controls for population size.

The first congress established three federal depts if I recall (treasury, war, state). We now have 130+ agencies. There was no dept of labor, dept of education, dept of health, etc. all that was left to the states.


If you think we resemble to any significant degree the govt structure of 1790, all the power to you. I think we are incredibly far away. The federal government’s role has expanded exponentially
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:00 pm

We've in many ways become a more perfect union.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby PrimeMinister » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:06 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:We've in many ways become a more perfect union.


Ha!!

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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby The Outsider » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:28 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:That’s why I said as a percent of GDP. It controls for population size.

The first congress established three federal depts if I recall (treasury, war, state). We now have 130+ agencies. There was no dept of labor, dept of education, dept of health, etc. all that was left to the states.


If you think we resemble to any significant degree the govt structure of 1790, all the power to you. I think we are incredibly far away. The federal government’s role has expanded exponentially



I think my point was that the world in no way resembles the world of 1790, so why would one expect anything to be otherwise. I mean, literally nothing is similar to 1790 excepting that we're all humans and we live on planet Earth in the Sol system of the Milky Way galaxy. And if you think regulatory bodies like the dept of labor are a bad thing I'd like to introduce you to the neo-feudalism of the gilded age. Counting on the good nature of mankind to regulate itself is like trusting the fox to watch the hen house.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Brazen331 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:08 pm

The Outsider wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:That’s why I said as a percent of GDP. It controls for population size.

The first congress established three federal depts if I recall (treasury, war, state). We now have 130+ agencies. There was no dept of labor, dept of education, dept of health, etc. all that was left to the states.


If you think we resemble to any significant degree the govt structure of 1790, all the power to you. I think we are incredibly far away. The federal government’s role has expanded exponentially



I think my point was that the world in no way resembles the world of 1790, so why would one expect anything to be otherwise. I mean, literally nothing is similar to 1790 excepting that we're all humans and we live on planet Earth in the Sol system of the Milky Way galaxy. And if you think regulatory bodies like the dept of labor are a bad thing I'd like to introduce you to the neo-feudalism of the gilded age. Counting on the good nature of mankind to regulate itself is like trusting the fox to watch the hen house.


So once mankind becomes part of a government regulating body we have nothing to worry about? Men lose all their base instincts once they become bureaucrats?
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby The Outsider » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:54 pm

Brazen331 wrote:
The Outsider wrote:

I think my point was that the world in no way resembles the world of 1790, so why would one expect anything to be otherwise. I mean, literally nothing is similar to 1790 excepting that we're all humans and we live on planet Earth in the Sol system of the Milky Way galaxy. And if you think regulatory bodies like the dept of labor are a bad thing I'd like to introduce you to the neo-feudalism of the gilded age. Counting on the good nature of mankind to regulate itself is like trusting the fox to watch the hen house.


So once mankind becomes part of a government regulating body we have nothing to worry about? Men lose all their base instincts once they become bureaucrats?



Absolutely not. It's a constant battle against our own nature. But having a mechanism to combat this facet of our nature is a good, if exploitable thing. Being successful in this regard requires vigilance. It's easy to see why our government is corrupt when you consider that 42% of the voting population didn't vote.

I would get in to this more but it's too late for me to write an essay.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:30 am

The Outsider wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
So once mankind becomes part of a government regulating body we have nothing to worry about? Men lose all their base instincts once they become bureaucrats?



Absolutely not. It's a constant battle against our own nature. But having a mechanism to combat this facet of our nature is a good, if exploitable thing. Being successful in this regard requires vigilance. It's easy to see why our government is corrupt when you consider that 42% of the voting population didn't vote.

I would get in to this more but it's too late for me to write an essay.


Think you can own a better essay on the subject than ‘Civil Disobedience’? You would be competing against probably the greatest prose stylist this nation has ever produced.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby The Outsider » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:38 am

Brazen331 wrote:
The Outsider wrote:

Absolutely not. It's a constant battle against our own nature. But having a mechanism to combat this facet of our nature is a good, if exploitable thing. Being successful in this regard requires vigilance. It's easy to see why our government is corrupt when you consider that 42% of the voting population didn't vote.

I would get in to this more but it's too late for me to write an essay.


Think you can own a better essay on the subject than ‘Civil Disobedience’? You would be competing against probably the greatest prose stylist this nation has ever produced.


One does not have to be the best, nor the most eloquent. in order to make a valid point. Though I'd love to read Alpha's take on the subject.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:10 am

I’m sure it will be an erudite take. Alpha is an extremely intelligent, well-read and controlled human being.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Pirate Life » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:13 am

Zarniwoop wrote:Not really.


Look at the number of federal laws and depts in 1790. Then look now.

We don’t even remotely exhibit the characteristics of that nation.


Even the so called Federalists of the time would be extreme libertarians nowadays.

Just look at the stuff Madison was writing about in his papers. Then compare it to the topics of today.

Look at the size of govt then vs now. (As % of gdp ... or indeed any way you want it)


We are nothing in structure like we were.


You can compare it to today all you want, but the fact remains the Constitution was intended to make a stronger federal government and to centralize power in it while weakening the power of the individual states. They didn't intend for a 'loose union' as that's what we had under the AoC, which turned out to be a disaster.

Can debate on if they wanted to see something like what we have today, sure. But there's no denying what they intended the constitution to do.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Pirate Life » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:09 am

Zarniwoop wrote:That’s why I said as a percent of GDP. It controls for population size.

The first congress established three federal depts if I recall (treasury, war, state). We now have 130+ agencies. There was no dept of labor, dept of education, dept of health, etc. all that was left to the states.


If you think we resemble to any significant degree the govt structure of 1790, all the power to you. I think we are incredibly far away. The federal government’s role has expanded exponentially


The executive departments were set up as the administrative agencies in the executive branch and still operate in that fashion today. There's currently 15. Agencies are another thing all together, some operate under the departments and others are independent. Just about all of the departments we have today were under the auspices of the first three departments (with the DoJ springing from the Attorney General position created in 1789), with your aforementioned dept of labor and health being under the Dept of the Interior which grew out of the Dept of State (Dept of Interior was considered as a separate one by the first congress but they decided to put it under State in 1789).

All of these items were not left to the states as some 10th amendment folks like to attest, they just didn't have cabinet-level/department-level status until the country's growth and conflicts created the need for them to be separate. The only 'job' left to the states covered by today's departments back then was education. Labor's focus has shifted of course, in the 18th/early 19th century common law protected corporate rights and not employee ones (unions and strikes were illegal in the early days of the country).
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Alpha » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:18 am

Brazen331 wrote:I’m sure it will be an erudite take. Alpha is an extremely intelligent, well-read and controlled human being.


Hehe.

So you think you know me, sport?

The truth might be a bit of a surprise.


But you go on and think you know what you know...the true sign of an ignorant individual.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon May 14, 2018 8:51 am

Any thoughts on CBD oil?

A relative of mine got his card from the state and has a CBD oil vape for pain. He said he sleeps like a champ and his pain is manageable. Raved about it.

I see CBD is legal from hemp and am contemplating this as a sleep aid that could also have me drink a lot less since the relaxation sensation it gives you is what I'm going for with alcohol in the first place. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with this oil.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby DreadNaught » Mon May 14, 2018 9:03 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Any thoughts on CBD oil?

A relative of mine got his card from the state and has a CBD oil vape for pain. He said he sleeps like a champ and his pain is manageable. Raved about it.

I see CBD is legal from hemp and am contemplating this as a sleep aid that could also have me drink a lot less since the relaxation sensation it gives you is what I'm going for with alcohol in the first place. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with this oil.

My wife has her card and uses CBD oil. She got the tip from a close friend that claimed it helps with her anxiety related to stress and how it was effecting her sleep. Not sure if it's placebo or something actually medicinal, but it seems to help my wife. I don't have issues with anxiety/stress but I've tried vaping her CBD oil and it certainly helps me relax without that 'stoned' feeling.

I'd give it a try if I were you. Better option than pills imo. If anything it could mitigate your drunken socialist rants (just teasing :P )..
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon May 14, 2018 9:21 am

DreadNaught wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Any thoughts on CBD oil?

A relative of mine got his card from the state and has a CBD oil vape for pain. He said he sleeps like a champ and his pain is manageable. Raved about it.

I see CBD is legal from hemp and am contemplating this as a sleep aid that could also have me drink a lot less since the relaxation sensation it gives you is what I'm going for with alcohol in the first place. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with this oil.

My wife has her card and uses CBD oil. She got the tip from a close friend that claimed it helps with her anxiety related to stress and how it was effecting her sleep. Not sure if it's placebo or something actually medicinal, but it seems to help my wife. I don't have issues with anxiety/stress but I've tried vaping her CBD oil and it certainly helps me relax without that 'stoned' feeling.

I'd give it a try if I were you. Better option than pills imo. If anything it could mitigate your drunken socialist rants (just teasing :P )..

My wife has trouble sleeping at night and that relaxed but not stoned feeling is precisely what I'm trying to get for her so he can sleep more than 2-3 hours at a time without getting drunk.

I'm curious about the dosing when vaping though. For example:

https://www.thecbdistillery.com/product/200mg-disposable-cbd-vape-pen-grand-daddy-purp/

Would it be as simple as 1 or 2 hits an hour before bedtime?

She doesn't smoke weed because some strains of THC can heighten her anxiety. But this looks super promising.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby real bucs fan » Mon May 14, 2018 9:27 am

Weed should definitely be decriminalized, noone should go to jail for it that's for damn sure.

Not sure how I feel about completely legalizing it. Folks with serious and chronic diseases and disabilities perhaps could benefit from it, but there are some alarming figures in regards to the increased risk factor for depression and mental health issues such as schizophrenia associated with prolonged weed use. Then there's the driving while stoned issue.

I smoked weed when I was a teen, but stopped as I realized I enjoyed the ritual of it more than being high- and started rolling tobacco instead. Tried CBD recently, and enjoyed that.

Ironically my friends who are most against the legalization of weed are those who sell it. Not sure how it's going down in the states, but in Canada the government is essentially monopolizing it, and anyone caught selling weed illegally faces ridiculously hard jail terms to the point where it's not even worth it. Lotta pot dealers are about to hit the job market lol.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby DreadNaught » Mon May 14, 2018 9:45 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:My wife has her card and uses CBD oil. She got the tip from a close friend that claimed it helps with her anxiety related to stress and how it was effecting her sleep. Not sure if it's placebo or something actually medicinal, but it seems to help my wife. I don't have issues with anxiety/stress but I've tried vaping her CBD oil and it certainly helps me relax without that 'stoned' feeling.

I'd give it a try if I were you. Better option than pills imo. If anything it could mitigate your drunken socialist rants (just teasing :P )..

My wife has trouble sleeping at night and that relaxed but not stoned feeling is precisely what I'm trying to get for her so he can sleep more than 2-3 hours at a time without getting drunk.

I'm curious about the dosing when vaping though. For example:

https://www.thecbdistillery.com/product/200mg-disposable-cbd-vape-pen-grand-daddy-purp/

Would it be as simple as 1 or 2 hits an hour before bedtime?

She doesn't smoke weed because some strains of THC can heighten her anxiety. But this looks super promising.


Yes, it's just 1-2 hits before bed. For years my wife would not be able to sleep, didn't sleep good, and couldn't get back to sleep b/c she couldn't relax her mind and would worry/stress about things (mostly beyond her control). We'd try exercises like writing things down and making lists so she didn't feel she had keep everything bottled up, and while that helped some, it was nothing close as results of CDB.

We went through something similar and started with actually pot/flower, but some strains made her anxiety worse and since flower isn't legal in Florida (even medicinally) yet the strains are unpredictable and caused (like you stated) even worse anxiety for her. So she switched to CBD and it's really been great for her. Almost like a different person at times, although she would want me to say that. A better way to say is that CBD has allowed my wife to be her best self instead of the person she is when her anxiety is making her (and mine to a lesser extent) life miserable.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon May 14, 2018 9:49 am

DreadNaught wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:My wife has trouble sleeping at night and that relaxed but not stoned feeling is precisely what I'm trying to get for her so he can sleep more than 2-3 hours at a time without getting drunk.

I'm curious about the dosing when vaping though. For example:

https://www.thecbdistillery.com/product/200mg-disposable-cbd-vape-pen-grand-daddy-purp/

Would it be as simple as 1 or 2 hits an hour before bedtime?

She doesn't smoke weed because some strains of THC can heighten her anxiety. But this looks super promising.


Yes, it's just 1-2 hits before bed. For years my wife would not be able to sleep, didn't sleep good, and couldn't get back to sleep b/c she couldn't relax her mind and would worry/stress about things (mostly beyond her control). We'd try exercises like writing things down and making lists so she didn't feel she had keep everything bottled up, and while that helped some, it was nothing close as results of CDB.

We went through something similar and started with actually pot/flower, but some strains made her anxiety worse and since flower isn't legal in Florida (even medicinally) yet the strains are unpredictable and caused (like you stated) even worse anxiety for her. So she switched to CBD and it's really been great for her. Almost like a different person at times, although she would want me to say that. A better way to say is that CBD has allowed my wife to be her best self instead of the person she is when her anxiety is making her (and mine to a lesser extent) life miserable.


That's fantastic. Sounds like your wife and mine have similar forms of anxiety. how long would a vape pen like the one in the link I posted last her?
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby DreadNaught » Mon May 14, 2018 10:47 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
Yes, it's just 1-2 hits before bed. For years my wife would not be able to sleep, didn't sleep good, and couldn't get back to sleep b/c she couldn't relax her mind and would worry/stress about things (mostly beyond her control). We'd try exercises like writing things down and making lists so she didn't feel she had keep everything bottled up, and while that helped some, it was nothing close as results of CDB.

We went through something similar and started with actually pot/flower, but some strains made her anxiety worse and since flower isn't legal in Florida (even medicinally) yet the strains are unpredictable and caused (like you stated) even worse anxiety for her. So she switched to CBD and it's really been great for her. Almost like a different person at times, although she would want me to say that. A better way to say is that CBD has allowed my wife to be her best self instead of the person she is when her anxiety is making her (and mine to a lesser extent) life miserable.


That's fantastic. Sounds like your wife and mine have similar forms of anxiety. how long would a vape pen like the one in the link I posted last her?


My wife has a 500mg cartridge and it lasts for 2-3 months at least. I'll double check with her and clarify that that though. Point is that it lasts a long time. It sits in her nightstand on her side of the bed and she 'hits' it maybe 2-3 times per day. Normally just before bed, or if she having trouble getting back to sleep.

Just our experience, but I'd recommend trying it before going the sleeping pill route. Talk to some others though. Like you it was recommended word of mouth to us by some close friends of ours and I'm thankful for it.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Noles1724 » Mon May 14, 2018 10:52 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
Yes, it's just 1-2 hits before bed. For years my wife would not be able to sleep, didn't sleep good, and couldn't get back to sleep b/c she couldn't relax her mind and would worry/stress about things (mostly beyond her control). We'd try exercises like writing things down and making lists so she didn't feel she had keep everything bottled up, and while that helped some, it was nothing close as results of CDB.

We went through something similar and started with actually pot/flower, but some strains made her anxiety worse and since flower isn't legal in Florida (even medicinally) yet the strains are unpredictable and caused (like you stated) even worse anxiety for her. So she switched to CBD and it's really been great for her. Almost like a different person at times, although she would want me to say that. A better way to say is that CBD has allowed my wife to be her best self instead of the person she is when her anxiety is making her (and mine to a lesser extent) life miserable.


That's fantastic. Sounds like your wife and mine have similar forms of anxiety. how long would a vape pen like the one in the link I posted last her?


the one that you posted (capsule and battery) at one/two hits a day, would last months. a full capsule for me would last 2 or 3 wks and I hit it multiple times (10 maybe?) a session/day.

there are certainly other variables that play a factor though.. example would be using a higher watt setting, thus burning the product at a higher rate.

personally I don't mess with cbd as I like to get high, but cbd is simply amazing and if you've yet to see the video(s) of kids have seizure's and taking it, you need to run over to youtube.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby NYBF » Mon May 14, 2018 11:14 am

You shouldn't need a card for CBD products. They're fairly widely available here in health stores. You should definitely try it out.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby DreadNaught » Mon May 14, 2018 11:24 am

CBD's are a bi-partisan issue at BucZone!! :drinkingcheers:
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon May 14, 2018 11:26 am

DreadNaught wrote:CBD's are a bi-partisan issue at BucZone!! :drinkingcheers:

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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Stuart » Mon May 14, 2018 12:58 pm

you need a CBD card, dang someone fergot to tell me?

they should make it legal.

at least then people might use it as oppossed to that crazy fake stuff that'll kill ya.

+ you'd know the potency, type etc, etc. there's a big difference in diffferent types I am told. Who wants to be looking for furry walls cause someone slipped them a jeffrey?
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Brazen331 » Mon May 14, 2018 5:23 pm

If you’re in a legal state, I would recommend vape pens with a 1:1 ratio of THC and CBD. I personally don’t use them because the CBD will counteract the effect of THC and you don’t get all that high.

But if you’re just doing it for health reasons, the synergistic effect of these Cannabinoids working together is probably the way to go.
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Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri May 18, 2018 11:38 am

CBD vape pen just arrived and I took two hits. we'll see how it do.
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Re: Poll: Should marijuana be legalized?

Postby Noles1724 » Tue May 22, 2018 7:27 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:CBD vape pen just arrived and I took two hits. we'll see how it do.


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