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Re: Random Education News

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:10 am

Zarniwoop wrote:Fantastic article about how messed up the state education rankings are.

http://reason.com/archives/2018/10/07/e ... about-stat

Eh...when you change what metrics the states are "ranked" on, your results are likely to shift. That the fun thing about extrapolating from a large data set.

The author gets to skewer New York for all it's spending, but doesn't take into account cost of living. A 10 year teacher in Long Island probably makes more than a county Superintendent in Kansas. A fair examination would be to look at Administrative spending as a % of the per student spending to see where money is potentially getting squandered on do-nothing bureaucrats.

At the end of the day, we fuss about education as a constant, and I think that's because we collectively haven't made our minds up as to what a successful K-12 education looks like. Once we figure that out, the solutions will become obvious.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby PanteraCanes » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:27 am

Zarniwoop wrote:Fantastic article about how messed up the state education rankings are.

http://reason.com/archives/2018/10/07/e ... about-stat


Very interesting stuff. I always assumed that the rankings were on performance of students. Had no idea how heavily spending was factored into those rankings. They put so much weight into money that Florida drops from 5th to 29th? Then New York goes from 30th to I assume top 10 or 5 because of spending alone? Figure if NY spent so much money they could maybe put back in the teachers being able to read requirement?
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Re: Random Education News

Postby PanteraCanes » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:35 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:Fantastic article about how messed up the state education rankings are.

http://reason.com/archives/2018/10/07/e ... about-stat

Eh...when you change what metrics the states are "ranked" on, your results are likely to shift. That the fun thing about extrapolating from a large data set.

The author gets to skewer New York for all it's spending, but doesn't take into account cost of living. A 10 year teacher in Long Island probably makes more than a county Superintendent in Kansas. A fair examination would be to look at Administrative spending as a % of the per student spending to see where money is potentially getting squandered on do-nothing bureaucrats.

At the end of the day, we fuss about education as a constant, and I think that's because we collectively haven't made our minds up as to what a successful K-12 education looks like. Once we figure that out, the solutions will become obvious.


I will say that I have not read the entire thing so maybe at some point they bring in bang for you buck. Though the main thing the author's rankings seem to want to do is bring spending out of the equation. Putting more or all the emphasis on actual performance. While the traditional rankings that get published by the news seem to put a very heavy weight on spending. It would seem those that want to weight spending should adjust for cost of living? It really is shocking that Florida goes from 5th based purely on performance to 30th when costs get put in.

I am all for better facilities, better teachers, and better equipment for schools. Though I would hope the rankings used were more focused on how students are doing rather than how much is being paid. I would assume you are in a similar mind set?
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:00 am

Many people won’t like the article because one of the points it makes is there are significant differences across ethnicities / races. Standard rankings don’t take those differences into account.

The example of Texas vs Iowa is a great one. Every single racial group scores higher in Texas then their peer group in Iowa. Yet Iowa is ranked far ahead in student scores because they have so few black and Hispanic students

If I have the time I’ll show you an example from Quant Psych and Stats that illustrates the same principle — one even can dominate another event on every particular outcome but because of “base rates” the dominated outcome is better
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:49 am

I am so glad the DeVos is destroying Obama's ridiculous Title IX mandates

The story is a bit apropos given the recent SC circus

http://reason.com/blog/2018/10/09/uc-da ... ex-hook-up



Man, I'd hate to be a 20 year guy on a college campus right now.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Buc2 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:37 am

Zarniwoop wrote:I am so glad the DeVos is destroying Obama's ridiculous Title IX mandates

The story is a bit apropos given the recent SC circus

http://reason.com/blog/2018/10/09/uc-da ... ex-hook-up



Man, I'd hate to be a 20 year guy on a college campus right now.

What happened to him is terrible. $12K to fight for his innocence. Pathetic. Is it time to go back to segregated college campuses? Girls over there, boys over here? Is that what this is going to come down to? Wow. I'm so thankful I'm not a young male in today's society. Probably a good thing I'm not a male of any age that holds a position of power as well.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:40 am

Buc2 wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:I am so glad the DeVos is destroying Obama's ridiculous Title IX mandates

The story is a bit apropos given the recent SC circus

http://reason.com/blog/2018/10/09/uc-da ... ex-hook-up



Man, I'd hate to be a 20 year guy on a college campus right now.

What happened to him is terrible. $12K to fight for his innocence. Pathetic. Is it time to go back to segregated college campuses? Girls over there, boys over here? Is that what this is going to come down to? Wow. I'm so thankful I'm not a young male in today's society. Probably a good thing I'm not a male of any age that holds a position of power as well.


What Devos is doing is a great start on college campuses at least.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:36 am

Here are some very quick response essays from academics on that recent Hoaxes in "Grievance Studies" that we discussed recently...some are quite good...some are ****.


https://www.chronicle.com/article/What- ... nce/244753
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Re: Random Education News

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:44 am

I love the phrase 'Grievance Studies'. Very apropos.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:50 am

Here's my quick take on the Hoax

--completely unethical to make up data and write satirical papers as it theoretically wastes a bunch of people's time (I can spend upwards of 5 or 6 hours reviewing a paper for acceptance into a journal..that time is unpaid service to my profession)

--the hoax's authors' main premise is valid and needed to be shown....these types of "hoaxes" have been attempted in the past on many fields...not just these modern ones. And it is something these journals should learn from.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Buc2 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:20 pm

Teacher’s open letter to parents: Stop ‘bizarrely lenient attitude toward disciplining children’
POSTED 9:44 AM, MAY 30, 2018, BY DALLAS FRANKLIN

A teacher’s open letter to parents, asking them to stop their “bizarrely lenient attitude toward disciplining children” is going viral.

Erin Axson is a middle school reading and writing teacher in Orangeburg, South Carolina.

In her open letter posted to her Facebook page, Axson said she knows not all parents will agree with her, but said she felt the need to say something after finishing the school year feeling “exhausted.”

“Dear Parents,

I rarely go off on social media tangents. It’s not my style. But this has been laid on my heart and the good Lord won’t let me rest until I’ve put it out there. But, this is LONG, so swipe to the next section of your news feed if I annoy you.

Not all of you are going to agree with what I’ve written. Some of you will be downright mad after you read it. As with anything, this doesn’t apply to every parent out there. I do have those of you that support me and work with me – you know who you are and you know how immensely grateful I am for you.

As this school year came to an end, I started some research about the current state of our school system. This all started as I stared at myself in the mirror one morning, wondering if I should look and feel THIS exhausted. I am a mother of three, we are a farming family, and I am a middle school teacher. Most would say that right there is a sure-fire recipe for exhaustion. But this goes deeper than simply being tired. This school year has left me feeling depleted, defeated, and unsure of my place in my little corner of the world. Rather than throw in the towel, I thought I’d do some digging and try to get to the bottom of my feelings. I was surprised by my findings, and what initially provided me some twisted form of comfort – knowing I wasn’t the only teacher feeling this way quickly turned into fear for our society’s future.

Lately, it seems that many parents have adopted a bizarrely lenient attitude toward disciplining children as well as bending over backwards to accommodate their children’s every demand. It’s unclear what’s causing these parents to believe that children should be subject to no limits, no discipline, and no stringent requirements at school. Whatever the cause, these parents are, in fact, doing a terrible disservice to today’s young people and to society as a whole. And, they are leaving their children’s teachers feeling frustrated, ill-supported, and utterly exhausted.

The rate at which good teachers are exiting the school system is sky rocketing, and if things continue at this pace, no one will be willing to go into teaching at all. The average new teacher these days is lasting a whopping 4 years before calling it quits. Those seasoned teachers that have witnessed this strange, cultural shift firsthand are dropping like flies, realizing they don’t have the energy to fight this uphill battle. But, perhaps the saddest thing is that these schools are turning out children who are ill-suited to being constructive, productive members of our society.

Childhood is a phase of intense physical, emotional, and psychological development. Children need to learn what behavior is appropriate in our society, and how to get along with their peers and the adults in their lives. They need to learn how to play by the rules, as opposed to being taught that it’s acceptable to break the rules or simply ignore the rules altogether, fostering a serious sense of entitlement among our youth.

Kids need to learn essential values such as empathy, responsibility, hard work and self-discipline. They must be taught conscientiousness, resilience and integrity. When parents refuse to set limits, give kids consequences, or have appropriate expectations of academic and social performance, students are deprived of the skills and attitudes necessary for their future success. We are essentially robbing them of the greatest gift we can give them.

If there’s one thing we can all agree on – we mommas do love our babies. Unfortunately, someone – somewhere – at some point in time – planted a seed of doubt in our minds, telling us if we set limitations for our children, then we don’t love them. Oh how I would love to come face to face with this person in a dark alley.

If you think spoiling makes for happier kids, you haven’t done your research because the statistics I found completely contradict this. A recent article I read pointed to research which shows that the rate of depression, anxiety, and drug addiction in high-school and college students has exploded in the past five years, and many are saying that over-protective parenting and overly lenient school environments are a large part of what’s to blame for this. Turns out, despite all the eye rolling, these kiddos really do feel safe, loved, and worthy when we show them who’s in charge.

Ok, so that was a lot.

Ready for the good news?

I know I am.

This isn’t rocket science. You don’t have to earn some fancy degree to understand it. We, if we band together, can clean up the mess we’ve made. These are simple ways we can fix this as well as a bunch of personal promises I will make to you as your child’s teacher.

1. For starters, your kid is capable of doing and saying things that will shock the living daylights out of you. We work with these kids every day and see your child in a different light than you do. If we come to you with a problem or write your child up for disrespectful behavior, don’t automatically fight it. Take a moment to digest it. We don’t have it out for your child. We don’t hate your kid. We don’t get a weird thrill out of writing detentions. We want what you want – for them to rise to the occasion and be the best version of themselves they can be. But, they aren’t born with the tendency to do this. We must guide them, direct them, and model this for them.

Please know that I am right there in the life raft with you. I have a rising 7th grader, 4th grader, and kindergartner. Most nights end with me lying in bed praying for God to help me do it better tomorrow. My three babies are so perfectly imperfect. When my 9 year old’s (AKA the least likely member of our family to be accused of people pleasing) teacher emails me to let me know that he has lost his recess due to inability to sit still and keep his hands off his classmates, I resist the innate urge to 1) crawl under my desk and hide, 2) jump to his defense (he’s a little boy who’d rather be outdoors!), and 3) ignore the problem that he’s obviously causing in her classroom. Will he have his side of the story? Yes. Will I hear him out? Yes. Will it change the fact that an adult took time out of her busy day to email me because my child upset the flow of her teaching day? No. Punishing him at home for disrespecting authority at school is difficult. It’s tiring, takes a lot of effort, requires a tremendous amount of patience, and is just plain inconvenient. But, the fact is: his teacher needs me to follow through, just as I need her to educate my boy. She and I have to work together to drive this bus, otherwise the wheels fall off and we all end up in the ditch.

2. Trust me. When I write a child up or tell parents that their child has been a behavior problem, I can almost see the hairs rise on the back of their necks. They tense up and are ready to fight, defend their child…and let me tell you – it is exhausting. One of my biggest pet peeves is when I tell a mom something her kid did and she turns, looks at him and asks, “Is that true?” Well, of course it’s true. I just told you.

We (women) tend to tear each other down. I see a heavy gravitation toward this with my middle school girls. They can be mean, hateful, and downright cruel. Unfortunately, some of us never moved on from Mean Girl University – in fact some of us are still regular attendees hoping to graduate magna cum laud. We don’t lift each other up and support one another. We jump at opportunities to attack each other, albeit much more behind the scenes in adulthood – it’s an attack nonetheless. And, let’s be honest, it hurt when we were teenagers, and it’s hurtful now. It’s no wonder when I come to you with something your child has done wrong at school; your defenses immediately go up. Somehow it has turned into me pointing the finger at you, whispering behind your back that you are a bad mom. Nothing could be further from the truth. Your child’s bad choice isn’t a direct reflection on you as a person. The way you choose to handle it – IS. Every kid will mess up. Every kid will disappoint us at times. Every kid needs a slew of adults to be invested in them, care about them. This isn’t supposed to be a competition among us as women. I want to be part of your village – goodness knows, I need my children’s teachers to be part of mine.

3. For the love of Pete, please quit with all the excuses. If you really want to help your children be successful, stop making excuses for them. Last summer, I was at the pool chatting with a parent and her son about his summer reading assignments. He told me flat out, with no shame, that he hadn’t even started, and I let him know I was disappointed because school started in two weeks. His mother chimed in quickly and told me that it had been a difficult summer for them and that she was allowing him some “important fun time” because it was summer. Wow. Some parents will make excuses regardless of the situation. Unfortunately, they are raising children who will grow into adults who turn toward excuses, unable to exhibit a strong work ethic. If you don’t want your child to end up 30, jobless, sitting on your couch, eating Lucky Charms and playing Fortnite, then stop making excuses for why they aren’t succeeding and demand more from them. God has trusted you with this child. You owe them that gift.

4. Parents, let’s be partners. It’s OK for your child to get in trouble sometimes. It builds character and teaches life lessons. As teachers, we are confused by parents who stand in the way of those lessons; we call them helicopter parents because they hover over us, waiting for the opportunity to dive in and save their child every time something goes wrong. If we give a child a 79 on a project, then that is what the child deserves. Don’t set up a time to meet with me to negotiate an 80. Each time you do this, you are slowly chipping away at our ever so important parent/teacher relationship. Let them fall down. Let them hurt a little. And, I can assure you, they will want to do better next time.

5. This one may be hard to accept, but you shouldn’t assume that because your child makes straight A’s they are getting a good education. The truth is, a lot of times it’s the ineffective teachers who give the easiest grades, because they know by giving good grades, everyone will leave them alone. I honestly can’t blame them. They aren’t verbally attacked on the cereal aisle at the grocery store (true story). They don’t avoid social media because of rants ending with hashtags that are…well, just plain mean (#andpassiveaggressive #justsayin). Parents will say, “My child has a great teacher! He made all A’s this year!” Come on now. Seriously? In all honesty, it’s usually the best teachers who are giving the lowest grades, because they are raising expectations. Yet, when your child receives low grades, you complain to the headmaster, not only exhausting our school administration, but leaving your kids’ teachers feeling like they have no value. Please, take a step back and get a good look at the landscape. Before you challenge those low grades you feel the teacher has “given” your child…you might stop to realize your child “earned” those grades and that the teacher you are complaining about is actually the one that is providing the best education.

6. Teachers walk on a sea of eggshells. The sad reality is – a great number of administrators and teachers these days have hands that are completely tied. In many ways, we live in fear of what will happen next. We walk on eggshells in a watered-down education system where teachers lack the courage to correct or re-direct a child without fear of being summoned to the office to explain ourselves. Administration is overwhelmed trying to please parents (b/c we are paying a pretty penny for education), taking vitally important time away from running our school. It’s a cycle that, if not broken, will have truly devastating effects.

7. Last but most certainly not least…I KNOW you love your children. I love them too. These kids get into my heart in a way I can’t explain to you. I just ask — beg of you — to trust me, support me, and work with me, not against me. I need you to have my back. I need you to give me the respect I deserve. Please don’t badmouth me in front of your kid. Please don’t passively aggressively attack me on social media. Lift me up and make me feel appreciated. I promise every chance I get, I am lifting you up in my classroom. I promise I appreciate the hard work you are doing at home. I promise I am not the enemy. I promise I am on your side. I promise I am cheering your kid on with the loudest mamma voice you can imagine. I promise in the end, you and I want the exact same thing. And finally, I promise – if you will let me –to give your child the best education humanly possible.

You and I, together, could be quite the force to be reckoned with, don’t you think?
#ourfuturecanbebright #together #joinmyOPSvillage

Sincerely,
Mrs. Erin Axson”
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:53 pm

Good find B2
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Buc2 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:01 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:Good find B2

Right out of the horse's mouth...parents setting up their kids to fail at life. Sad.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:46 am

What a waste of ****ing time and a slap in the face to the people serving on the committees

All faculty members who serve on hiring committees at the University of Pennsylvania must undergo subconscious bias training, The Daily Pennsylvanian reports
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Buc2 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:33 am

Zarniwoop wrote:What a waste of ****ing time and a slap in the face to the people serving on the committees

All faculty members who serve on hiring committees at the University of Pennsylvania must undergo subconscious bias training, The Daily Pennsylvanian reports


A picture from the first training class...
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Re: Random Education News

Postby PrimeMinister » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:59 am

Buc2, your picture isn’t showing up.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Buc2 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:06 am

PrimeMinister wrote:Buc2, your picture isn’t showing up.

How 'bout now?
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:33 am

Are we all in agreement that we need to shift to year round schooling?
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:19 am

right now we are only slightly below average for # of schools days


i'm good with extending it...but not to year round. i'm fine with a 6 to 8 week summer period.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby uscbucsfan » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:22 am

Zarniwoop wrote:i'm good with extending it...but not to year round. i'm fine with a 6 to 8 week summer period.

Same here.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:32 am

Zarniwoop wrote:right now we are only slightly below average for # of schools days


i'm good with extending it...but not to year round. i'm fine with a 6 to 8 week summer period.

spoken like a teacher :P

I was thinking of 2-3 week breaks with 3 or 4 throughout the school year and I'm only thinking of K-12. College can do what it wants. But, OK I guess we all don't agree.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:41 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:right now we are only slightly below average for # of schools days


i'm good with extending it...but not to year round. i'm fine with a 6 to 8 week summer period.

spoken like a teacher :P

I was thinking of 2-3 week breaks with 3 or 4 throughout the school year and I'm only thinking of K-12. College can do what it wants. But, OK I guess we all don't agree.


Well I assumed that it would be year round following our current model of really only having one break at christmas vacation (along with a smaller spring break and some one off holidays)


I was speaking to a target of between 200 and 210 school days....which is probably what your plan would lead to as well.

you can split them up how you like .... one big summer break or the more european way of having bigger breaks at christmas and smaller ones in the summer
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:46 am

Zarniwoop wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:spoken like a teacher :P

I was thinking of 2-3 week breaks with 3 or 4 throughout the school year and I'm only thinking of K-12. College can do what it wants. But, OK I guess we all don't agree.


Well I assumed that it would be year round following our current model of really only having one break at christmas vacation (along with a smaller spring break and some one off holidays)


I was speaking to a target of between 200 and 210 school days....which is probably what your plan would lead to as well.

you can split them up how you like .... one big summer break or the more european way of having bigger breaks at christmas and smaller ones in the summer

That summer break seems to set kids back quite a bit. I read once that they call it the "summer slide" and that a fair amount of the first semester is spent bringing the kids back up to speed.

Summer break most commonly gets blamed on kids of farmers needing to work, but that's not really true since harvesting happens in the fall for most crops. Supposedly, it was due to the schools not having AC back in the day and the schoolhouses getting too doggone hot all summer. Either way, the concept is obsolete and seems to do more harm than good.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:48 am

I think there are pros and cons to a long summer vs a shorter summer.

i'm ok with adopting either as the cons of each can be mitigated.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:52 am

Zarniwoop wrote:I think there are pros and cons to a long summer vs a shorter summer.

i'm ok with adopting either as the cons of each can be mitigated.

What types of cons do you think there are? Burnout?
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Re: Random Education News

Postby uscbucsfan » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:55 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:I think there are pros and cons to a long summer vs a shorter summer.

i'm ok with adopting either as the cons of each can be mitigated.

What types of cons do you think there are? Burnout?

Kids losing their Summer. Kids being kids is almost as important as education, IMO.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:01 am

uscbucsfan wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:What types of cons do you think there are? Burnout?

Kids losing their Summer. Kids being kids is almost as important as education, IMO.


Yep

as someone who fully supports raising the "totality" of the kid, summer is for kids to play on sports teams, go swimming, have summer jobs, take music lessons, etc. they need a break to fully engage in those activities IMO...mind you all of these things can be done with kids still in school or a shorter break, just not the same degree



though as you said, i do absolutely see how the summer leads to longer review times when school starts back up. i see it even with just our small holiday breaks in college students.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:26 am

Zarniwoop wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:Kids losing their Summer. Kids being kids is almost as important as education, IMO.


Yep

as someone who fully supports raising the "totality" of the kid, summer is for kids to play on sports teams, go swimming, have summer jobs, take music lessons, etc. they need a break to fully engage in those activities IMO...mind you all of these things can be done with kids still in school or a shorter break, just not the same degree



though as you said, i do absolutely see how the summer leads to longer review times when school starts back up. i see it even with just our small holiday breaks in college students.

Hey, we might be on to something here.

The last thing the kids need is more of this:
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Which is why I was talking about "lightening up on the kids" a few weeks ago. And you're absolutely right, the kids need to play sports, play music, make art, read books they want to read, etc. IMO this stuff is far and away more important than mitosis and graphing on a coordinate plane.

I think a serious rebuild of the education system has got to dismantle the assembly line style and actually cultivate kids talents, interests, and understanding of the world around them with greater focus as they advance. SOMEBODY has to have thought of this by now.
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Postby uscbucsfan » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:37 am

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While I agree to an extent. I don't think we can ever truly have something like that with a government run system. I don't even know where to begin with thinking of implementing something that is non-structural, but uniform. How would grading work? College? How would we know if kids are even learning? What about the kids that are simply untalented and/or have behavior or psychological issues?
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Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:44 am

uscbucsfan wrote:MB,

While I agree to an extent. I don't think we can ever truly have something like that with a government run system. I don't even know where to begin with thinking of implementing something that is non-structural, but uniform. How would grading work? College? How would we know if kids are even learning? What about the kids that are simply untalented and/or have behavior or psychological issues?

All valid questions, but I think its best to define what the desired end state looks like and how to get a kid there from Kindergarten before we determine what metrics can measure the effectiveness of the plan.

To put all the metrics first is to create the exact same environment that we are trying to dismantle in one way or the other.
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