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Re: Random Education News

Postby Buc2 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:27 pm

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Re: Random Education News

Postby Ken Carson » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:45 pm

Buc2 wrote:Here's what teachers are faced with in today's reality...

Florida teacher says she was fired for giving zeros to students who didn't turn in work

They actually put that in the handbook? That was “strongly encouraged” when I was at Dunedin High, but they never made it mandatory.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:38 pm

Those damn high standards on students!!!
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:40 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:Those damn high standards on students!!!

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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:47 pm

Buc2 wrote:Here's what teachers are faced with in today's reality...

Florida teacher says she was fired for giving zeros to students who didn't turn in work



We actually had something sort of similar in Texas. Traditionally schools were ranked by the state in categories like "Distinction", "Recognized", "Acceptable", "Needs Improvement". The ranking system and coming up with the scores was a bit convoluted (as almost all bureaucratic controls are) .... so they said we should just rate schools like we rate kids learning: A, B, C, D and F. Immediately there were protests and backlash as people thought schools shouldn't be labeled as D or F as it might give kids and their parents a bad opinion of their schools. Their idea was rather than holding the schools accountable and making them improve, was simply to only use A-C.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby The Outsider » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:38 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:
Buc2 wrote:Here's what teachers are faced with in today's reality...

Florida teacher says she was fired for giving zeros to students who didn't turn in work



We actually had something sort of similar in Texas. Traditionally schools were ranked by the state in categories like "Distinction", "Recognized", "Acceptable", "Needs Improvement". The ranking system and coming up with the scores was a bit convoluted (as almost all bureaucratic controls are) .... so they said we should just rate schools like we rate kids learning: A, B, C, D and F. Immediately there were protests and backlash as people thought schools shouldn't be labeled as D or F as it might give kids and their parents a bad opinion of their schools. Their idea was rather than holding the schools accountable and making them improve, was simply to only use A-C.




As if the kid won't realize a **** school is a **** school.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:32 pm

The Outsider wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:

We actually had something sort of similar in Texas. Traditionally schools were ranked by the state in categories like "Distinction", "Recognized", "Acceptable", "Needs Improvement". The ranking system and coming up with the scores was a bit convoluted (as almost all bureaucratic controls are) .... so they said we should just rate schools like we rate kids learning: A, B, C, D and F. Immediately there were protests and backlash as people thought schools shouldn't be labeled as D or F as it might give kids and their parents a bad opinion of their schools. Their idea was rather than holding the schools accountable and making them improve, was simply to only use A-C.




As if the kid won't realize a **** school is a **** school.

Why should that matter when the dividing line between success and failure in education is parents and teachers unions?
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:47 pm

The Outsider wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:

We actually had something sort of similar in Texas. Traditionally schools were ranked by the state in categories like "Distinction", "Recognized", "Acceptable", "Needs Improvement". The ranking system and coming up with the scores was a bit convoluted (as almost all bureaucratic controls are) .... so they said we should just rate schools like we rate kids learning: A, B, C, D and F. Immediately there were protests and backlash as people thought schools shouldn't be labeled as D or F as it might give kids and their parents a bad opinion of their schools. Their idea was rather than holding the schools accountable and making them improve, was simply to only use A-C.




As if the kid won't realize a **** school is a **** school.



It's amazing how far the current state set-up will go to defend itself and remove accountability. I mean they already have a monopoly and make it incredibly hard for kids to leave under-performing schools, isn't that enough? They have to try to convince the kids their schools aren't under-performing...and have to withhold and/or manipulate the little information that parents get when deciding where to live and what schools to enroll their kids in?
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Buc2 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:27 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
The Outsider wrote:


As if the kid won't realize a **** school is a **** school.

Why should that matter when the dividing line between success and failure in education is parents and teachers unions?

So your discussion of most all issues with more conservative posters has finally been reduced to soundbites and hyperbole? smh
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:47 am

Buc2 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Why should that matter when the dividing line between success and failure in education is parents and teachers unions?

So your discussion of most all issues with more conservative posters has finally been reduced to soundbites and hyperbole? smh

I imagine its infuriating to take someone's point of view, twist it into something absurd, and then use it for a cheap laugh.

Thought I'd try it.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Buc2 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:02 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Buc2 wrote:So your discussion of most all issues with more conservative posters has finally been reduced to soundbites and hyperbole? smh

I imagine its infuriating to take someone's point of view, twist it into something absurd, and then use it for a cheap laugh.

Thought I'd try it.

Try it? You've been doing it for weeks now.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:09 am

weeks?
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:10 am

Buc2 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:I imagine its infuriating to take someone's point of view, twist it into something absurd, and then use it for a cheap laugh.

Thought I'd try it.

Try it? You've been doing it for weeks now.

Yeah, I got a lot of catching up to do.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Buc2 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:25 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Buc2 wrote:Try it? You've been doing it for weeks now.

Yeah, I got a lot of catching up to do.

So rather than stick with your own standards of discussion, you'd rather sink to the level of the lowest couple of members of those that disagree with you. Got it. You go, dude.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:33 am

Buc2 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Yeah, I got a lot of catching up to do.

So rather than stick with your own standards of discussion, you'd rather sink to the level of the lowest couple of members of those that disagree with you. Got it. You go, dude.

You're saying I have standards for discussion in here?
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Buc2 » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:54 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Buc2 wrote:So rather than stick with your own standards of discussion, you'd rather sink to the level of the lowest couple of members of those that disagree with you. Got it. You go, dude.

You're saying I have standards for discussion in here?

Apparently not. Sorry. Carry on.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:56 am

Buc2 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:You're saying I have standards for discussion in here?

Apparently not. Sorry. Carry on.

Standby. Thread coming.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby HamBone » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:53 pm

The university of Manchester banned clapping to acoid triggering anxiety...they say you should use jazz hands instead. Lol...this world is insane.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:54 pm

The one in NH? Or the UK?



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I’ll tell you what...if someone has a kid and they are raising them to be a confident, tough as nails go getter they are going to have the world by the balls in 20 years
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Re: Random Education News

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:27 pm

I'll link it in the morning when I'm on my Surface, but there is a pretty amazing video out there of 3 liberal academics who intentionally trolled various social science journals.

@MikeNayna on Twitter has it.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Buc2 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:38 am

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Re: Random Education News

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:38 am

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Re: Random Education News

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:43 am

lol, thanks Buc2. Damn YT link format screws with me sometimes.

Anyways, this video is both highly amusing and highly concerning since the journals have influence within the academic elite and thus can shape how curriculum is shaped for society.

Can you imagine any other academic field allowing this type of foolishness to be sponsored/published by the "experts" within the field?

Damn postmodernists!!! :banghead:
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Re: Random Education News

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:45 am

Professor Zarni - You should share this with some of your colleagues who work in these "grievance studies" fields.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:08 am

DreadNaught wrote:



Thanks for the video...I remember posting about the dog park one a while ago.

There is so little critical thought in parts of academia right now it's downright embarrassing. Every journal will be biased towards the popular/faddish in its field...and to some degree that's fine. For example right now in the top business journals if you write about sustainability or conscious capitalism your paper is much more likely to be accepted simply because those are the ideas that society is debating right now. And to me that is perfectly fine. The fad ideas should get a bit more press as we work through them. The issue however is what the video brings up -- its not just the bias towards topics, its the bias TOWARDS A SINGLE POSITION on those topics. There is no real debate. There is no real investigation or exploration. There is no search for truth. There is simply confirmation of what the author's already believe.

And as a vocation...we are letting society down. :oops:
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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:13 am

DreadNaught wrote:Professor Zarni - You should share this with some of your colleagues who work in these "grievance studies" fields.



Luckily I'm at one of the few remaining schools that doesn't buy this bullshit. We are a classical liberal arts school -- and for the most part at the curriculum level we take the search for "truth" seriously here. (That's not to say individual faculty aren't whacko...we certainly have some of those). We don't even have a sociology department let alone gender studies, sexuality studies, etc.

I will post that video on the fac-list and see what the response is.
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Re: Random Education News

Postby beardmcdoug » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:27 am

hey Buc2, really enjoyed reading your story, thanks for sharing man
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Re: Random Education News

Postby beardmcdoug » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:47 am

DreadNaught wrote:


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Re: Random Education News

Postby Buc2 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:29 am

beardmcdoug wrote:hey Buc2, really enjoyed reading your story, thanks for sharing man

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Re: Random Education News

Postby Zarniwoop » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:30 am

Fantastic article about how messed up the state education rankings are.

http://reason.com/archives/2018/10/07/e ... about-stat
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