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"Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:05 pm

Putting this in the political forum because it's gonna get political.

Who is the greatest American who ever lived?

Washington? Lincoln? Edison? Roosavelt? Rockefeller? Hemingway? Glenn? Gates? Jobs? Spielberg? Letterman? Joni Mitchell?

Make your nominations here.

I nominate Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Who never held political office, yet touched the conscience of the nation and brought about more change than thought possible.

MLK was the greatest American who ever lived.

What say you?
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:05 pm

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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:07 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:Me

No way, you don't put out.
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:08 pm

I’m saving myself for a very special lady



My real answer would be one of the founders of this great experiment we call ‘Murica
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:09 pm

Maybe it's Audie Murphy, or John Basilone, or John Paul Jones, or Chuck Yeager.
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:10 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:I’m saving myself for a very special lady



My real answer would be one of the founders of this great experiment we call ‘Murica

Alexander Hamilton? John Adams? Patrick Henry?
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:13 pm

Off the top of my head Madison but I’d have to think of it more but alas I’m tired and lazy
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:14 pm

John Jay? Ulysses Grant? Teddy Roosevelt?
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:17 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:Off the top of my head Madison but I’d have to think of it more but alas I’m tired and lazy

No surprise you're an anti-federalist.
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:21 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:Off the top of my head Madison but I’d have to think of it more but alas I’m tired and lazy

No surprise you're an anti-federalist.


Except of course Madison sympathized more with the federalist plight of the time then the antifederalists...though unlike many federalist folks he did help support the bill of rights



Mind you even the federalist view of 1780 would be considered very much anti-centralized govt nowadays
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:24 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:No surprise you're an anti-federalist.


Except of course Madison sympathized more with the federalist plight of the time then the antifederalists...though unlike many federalist folks he did help support the bill of rights


James Madison is the greatest American who ever lived. Make your case, sir.
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:27 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:
Except of course Madison sympathized more with the federalist plight of the time then the antifederalists...though unlike many federalist folks he did help support the bill of rights


James Madison is the greatest American who ever lived. Make your case, sir.



I will address this again when I have more energy but it’s pretty darn hard to argue that the Constitution isn’t among the most important and beneficial documents in the history of America and that the Federalist papers aren’t some of the most well thought out, well written treatises on political philosophy


Edit — if posters get into the spirit of this thread it could be a good one
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:32 pm

Probably won't get the same traction the hottest cheerleader poll got, but might be a nice distraction from the aborted fetus in the punch bowl that is the news of the day.

Blessed distraction.
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Rocker » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:14 am

Thomas Paine.
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby mightyleemoon » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:23 am

Zarniwoop wrote:Me


I thought you were Canadian. Aren't you Canadian? Who is the Canadian?
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Teitan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:29 am

The cash me outside girl.
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby mightyleemoon » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:34 am

Also, I'd nominate Nikola Tesla. Not American born, but a citizen for about 50 years.
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Swashy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:02 am

I'm gonna go a little off label and nominate HHH -Hubert Horatio Humphrey.

Here's a guy who starts out on the farm and works his way up to becoming the mayor of Minneapolis. Feel good story, sure. Then he goes on to serve as senator. Even better. Then he becomes Vice President of the United States.

All that is nice but his greatest landmark is that in 1948 at the DNC he brought a somewhat unpopular but needed civil rights platform to the Truman campaign and gave one of the best speeches I have ever heard. It singlehandedly began the realignment of American politics and life itself because HHH had the balls to stand up to the Southern faction that was stuck in 100 years in the past. Their jimmies got so ****ing rusted that they went out and nominated Strom Thurmond to oppose Truman after walking out of the convention during his speech.

I argue he could have been one of the best presidents of all time and his undoing was the shadow of war left behind from his predecessor in LBJ.
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby beardmcdoug » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:08 am

Swashy wrote:I'm gonna go a little off label and nominate HHH -Hubert Horatio Humphrey.

Here's a guy who starts out on the farm and works his way up to becoming the mayor of Minneapolis. Feel good story, sure. Then he goes on to serve as senator. Even better. Then he becomes Vice President of the United States.

All that is nice but his greatest landmark is that in 1948 at the DNC he brought a somewhat unpopular but needed civil rights platform to the Truman campaign and gave one of the best speeches I have ever heard. It singlehandedly began the realignment of American politics and life itself because HHH had the balls to stand up to the Southern faction that was stuck in 100 years in the past. Their jimmies got so ****ing rusted that they went out and nominated Strom Thurmond to oppose Truman after walking out of the convention during his speech.

I argue he could have been one of the best presidents of all time and his undoing was the shadow of war left behind from his predecessor in LBJ.


insightful, thanks
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:14 am

Rocker wrote:Thomas Paine.



Solid nomination there
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:16 am

mightyleemoon wrote:
Aren't you Canadian?


No....there isnt' a single Canadian as good looking or smart as me.


mightyleemoon wrote:
Who is the Canadian?


the guy who was born in Canada.










Lach is Canadian...I think RBF is too.
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:29 am

Zarniwoop wrote:
mightyleemoon wrote:
Aren't you Canadian?


No....there isnt' a single Canadian as good looking or smart as me.


Jordan Peterson is much smarter, and Pam Anderson was pretty good looking in her day. But you may have her beat these days. :lol:
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Ken Carson » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:35 am

Slimey.

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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:41 am

DreadNaught wrote:Jordan Peterson is much smarter



His birth certificate is as fake as Obama's ... obviously he can't be Canadian
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Crocaneers » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:15 pm

per my daughter (16 years old), Broadway, and Lin Manual-Miranda


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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:25 pm

Since MKL Jr was already nominated I'll go with Ben Franklin for his all-around contributions. Thomas Jefferson also.

Bill Gates for someone more modern. Not that Gates has been great for America as much as his contributions to the actual poor people across the world who don't have the means to necessities (running water, food, shelter, medicine, basic education) in life people in this country take for granted.
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby beardmcdoug » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:37 pm

pardon my french, but screw Alexander Hamilton
(let me qualify;
- guy was THE country's original banking snake: pushed national/federal bank, and colluded with network of bankers to "deal with" the "problem" of decentralization,

- was all about "muh honor", "muh value system", but then regularly cheated on his wife, spurring the first political sex scandal of the country, in which he allowed himself to be extorted because due to his extra-marital affairs

guy was bad for the nation and a hypocrite in his personal life. he can get fucked. oh but he's a hero on broadway now. such internal moral strife, cheating on your wife. such difficult times. lol give me a ****ing break)



Jefferson is my vote

Paine second

Franklin has got to be up there for his all around contributions
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:22 pm

Seems to be a bit of a tug of war between favorite founding fathers and everyone else.

Might have to bracket this out by century and have a playoff.

18th- George Washington
19th- Abraham Lincoln
20th- MLK
21st- ??
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Rocker » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:36 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Seems to be a bit of a tug of war between favorite founding fathers and everyone else.

Might have to bracket this out by century and have a playoff.

18th- George Washington
19th- Abraham Lincoln
20th- MLK
21st- ??


This could be good.

I don’t disagree too much with your “starting team” but I feel arguments could be made for replacements.. Let the games begin.
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Re: "Greatest American who ever lived" nomination thread

Postby Buc2 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:14 am

Benjamin Franklin. If not for his work in securing a treaty and alliance with France, we may still be speaking the Queen’s English. Granted, France was secretly helping the Patriot cause, but the treaty/alliance allowed them to openly support the cause. That support definitely helped turn the tide of the Revolution in favor of the rebellion. Granted, France also wanted to see proof that the rebels could actually win the war, which Washington provided with his stunning victory at Saratoga, Franklin still had to a difficult task of ironing out the details of the treaty & alliance or it may still have not happened.

Besides that, Ben was pretty cool too.

You rock, Ben!
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