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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby RedLeader » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:22 pm

PrimeMinister wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
Fwiw it hasn't been confirmed the RO killed the suspect as suicide could be an option. We know it was a gunshot wound to the head.

We know the rapid response of RO saved lives.

I would hope the RO will be fine and even he did kill the suspect he should take solace in how many lives he saved by doing so. He did his job. He's a hero in my book.


That’s a true hero. You can’t really ask for a much “better” outcome to a school shooting. The RO probably saved 10-15 lives (depending on the amount of ammunition) by doing his job. He is an American hero.


Amen, brother..
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby NYBF » Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:11 am

I suppose this story will give some of you even more reason to hate the Pats.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/0 ... story.html
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby DreadNaught » Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:35 am

NYBF wrote:I suppose this story will give some of you even more reason to hate the Pats.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/0 ... story.html


Why? Seems like a very decent gesture.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Selmon Rules » Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:35 am

I really do understand why all the protests are focusing on gun control and nothing else but if they really want to impact school shootings they have to address the mental health aspect of it. Not gonna happen cause it's not nearly the hot button, get everyone to tune in, topic that gun control is but it is a major aspect of it.

When is the last time you heard of a normal, well-adjusted person just shooting a place up?? You don't because it doesn't happen. Why do we all of a sudden have nuts with guns roaming around (exaggeration, I know)?? We used to have places that people with mental health problems used to go that were closed down back in the 80's.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:16 am

Lets live how we want to live and not think about the seeds of destruction created from it.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:43 am

mdb1958 wrote:Lets live how we want to live and not think about the seeds of destruction created from it.

Conservative economics in a nutshell.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Ken Carson » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:52 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Lets live how we want to live and not think about the seeds of destruction created from it.

Conservative economics in a nutshell.

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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby DreadNaught » Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:21 am

Selmon Rules wrote:I really do understand why all the protests are focusing on gun control and nothing else but if they really want to impact school shootings they have to address the mental health aspect of it. Not gonna happen cause it's not nearly the hot button, get everyone to tune in, topic that gun control is but it is a major aspect of it.

When is the last time you heard of a normal, well-adjusted person just shooting a place up?? You don't because it doesn't happen. Why do we all of a sudden have nuts with guns roaming around (exaggeration, I know)?? We used to have places that people with mental health problems used to go that were closed down back in the 80's.


The Parkland shooter was recommended to be institutionalized and wasn't because of some protections recent changes to the law provided him.

The Parkland incident has everyone talking and marching. While discussion is great for Democratic society their is a powerful contingent politicizing these dead kids to ensure the focus is on blaming firearms. But the fact is there were NUMEROUS failures that allowed this to happen and most have zero to do with firearms.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:08 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Lets live how we want to live and not think about the seeds of destruction created from it.

Conservative economics in a nutshell.


I was thinking mankind.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Rocker » Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:22 pm

I liked him better as Dude Love.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby beardmcdoug » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:01 pm

beardmcdoug wrote:
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Regarding Nationalism I am just going to quote part of a post I made to you earlier in this thread. I would like to hear your thoughts when you have the time.




I get what you're trying to say about nationalism vs patriotism, but I think it's going to be a relative waste of time splitting these hairs over a message board, the definitions are nuanced and where the line is drawn between the two is entirely up to one's own interpretation. you may want to color your view of the definition of nationalism with a coat of extreme fervor or blind following, just as much as I would want to color "patriotism" as the false sense of temporary "go team" post 9/11 fat guy in his american flag button up riding a rascal with an american flag eating a cheeseburger - who doesn't have any actual attachment to his country besides basic-level group-think and false superiority.

Let's get this out of the way:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/patriotism-vs-nationalism
Merriam Webster draws the line here:

There are still obvious areas of overlap: we define patriotism as “love for or devotion to one’s country” and nationalism in part as “loyalty and devotion to a nation.” But the definition of nationalism also includes “exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.” This exclusionary aspect is not shared by patriotism.


which is exactly what I am advocating, and what I believe is the only results-yielding way out of this quagmire. Through healthy competition. By saying "we are better than other cultures" and striving to prove that every day. Patriotism is a fleeting ideal. An ideal that dissipates when the other political party wins. Ideals - true ideals - ideals that can shape civilizations do not just *appear*, they are not formed in 1 day by 1 man. They do not just implant into your head. They are formed, and cultivated, and diffuse slowly through the populace, and it is requires constant upkeep to maintain the ones worth pursuing - otherwise, ideals revolving around pursuits of pleasure or comfort easily move in. This is why the distinction of nationalism over patriotism is important. Because nationalism has more momentum and staying power - it is built on a historical foundation - it is built on competition and achievement - and reverence for what is good in your culture.

And if a nationalist culture based on degeneracy or corruption or injustice, then it deserves to be met by the better culture of another nation and be destroyed - history will tell, just like it always has for countless civilizations that have come and gone. And fortunately, we are the most well-equipped we've ever been, in human history, to eliminate ignorance of subject matters (due to the exponential advances in science and technology over the past 200 years) as the reason for degeneracy; we are fully equipped to shape our culture, our identity, and our future based on a logical, measured approach, instead of just slogging from one year to the next, stumbling into biological pitfalls, and normalizing degeneracy in our society by excusing extreme behavior as socially "progressive"

your definition of a nationalist is somebody who is so blinded by love of their nation that they are unable to critique it's faults, but in my opinion, that couldn't be further from the truth, since because nationalism is fundamentally built on the concept of you viewing your culture or nation as superior to others'. How did your nation/culture get to that point where the feeling of superiority was even justifiable? By eliminating the bad and promoting the good. By being highly critical of what plagues your society and excising the cancerous aspects. Even one of the first uses of the word alludes to this:

Merriam Webster tries to find the earliest use of "nationalism" and quotes the following:
"Nationalism must involve the consecrated devotion of a responsive citizenship, sound policies must have universal faith and unsound vagaries must have universal condemnation."
—The Marion County News (Hamilton, AL), 1 Jan. 1820



I think nationalism, and the view that one's nation or (aspired) culture is better than others is a good thing. It promotes a healthy sense of identity, competition, and focus. I don't hate Pakistani nationalists for being Pakistani nationalists - good for them! I don't agree with their standard of living and don't subscribe to their dominant religious/cultural attitudes, but I certainly don't blame them for thinking they're the best, just like Japanese nationalists or Polish nationalists. As long as they don't try to wipe us off the face of the map, then who cares if they think they're better than us? If they DO try to wipe us off the map, then they're an aggressor and our superior nation should eliminate them. But there's no reason we can't co-habitate this planet side by side, them with their culture, and us with ours.


re: 5), aren't you sick of fake ass puritans then?


PM, you never commented on my response - curious to hear what you have to say :drinkingbeer:
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby bucfanclw » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:47 am

This Parkland teacher left his gun in a public bathroom. It was loaded, BSO says.
BY MADELEINE MARR

April 11, 2018 10:25 PM

Updated 3 hours 31 minutes ago

Not the most normal sight: a gun left in the bathroom stall.

But that's exactly what went down on Sunday in a men's room at the Deerfield Beach Pier.

The circumstances of how the Glock 9mm got there are unusual.

According to the Broward Sheriff's Office, the weapon was left by Sean Simpson. If his name sounds familiar, he's the teacher at Marjory Stoneman Douglas who said he'd be willing to arm himself while on duty.

According to the sheriff's office report, Simpson told deputies he'd left his gun by accident. By the time the chemistry teacher realized his mistake, the Glock was already in the hands of a drunk homeless man who had picked it up and fired. The bullet hit a wall.

Simpson was able to grab the gun away from the vagrant, Joseph Spataro, who was charged with firing a weapon while intoxicated and trespassing.

As for the MSD teacher, he was arrested and charged with failing to safely store a firearm, a second-degree misdemeanor. Simpson posted a $250 cash bond and was released.

Local 10 reached out to the educator who would not comment but did say carrying a weapon around did not violate school board rules. He continues to be employed and no disciplinary action is expected to be taken, added the station.


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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Buc2 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:59 am

bucfanclw wrote:
This Parkland teacher left his gun in a public bathroom. It was loaded, BSO says.
BY MADELEINE MARR

April 11, 2018 10:25 PM

Updated 3 hours 31 minutes ago

Not the most normal sight: a gun left in the bathroom stall.

But that's exactly what went down on Sunday in a men's room at the Deerfield Beach Pier.

The circumstances of how the Glock 9mm got there are unusual.

According to the Broward Sheriff's Office, the weapon was left by Sean Simpson. If his name sounds familiar, he's the teacher at Marjory Stoneman Douglas who said he'd be willing to arm himself while on duty.

According to the sheriff's office report, Simpson told deputies he'd left his gun by accident. By the time the chemistry teacher realized his mistake, the Glock was already in the hands of a drunk homeless man who had picked it up and fired. The bullet hit a wall.

Simpson was able to grab the gun away from the vagrant, Joseph Spataro, who was charged with firing a weapon while intoxicated and trespassing.

As for the MSD teacher, he was arrested and charged with failing to safely store a firearm, a second-degree misdemeanor. Simpson posted a $250 cash bond and was released.

Local 10 reached out to the educator who would not comment but did say carrying a weapon around did not violate school board rules. He continues to be employed and no disciplinary action is expected to be taken, added the station.


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Arm more teachers!
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby RedLeader » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:52 pm

bucfanclw wrote:
This Parkland teacher left his gun in a public bathroom. It was loaded, BSO says.
BY MADELEINE MARR

April 11, 2018 10:25 PM

Updated 3 hours 31 minutes ago

Not the most normal sight: a gun left in the bathroom stall.

But that's exactly what went down on Sunday in a men's room at the Deerfield Beach Pier.

The circumstances of how the Glock 9mm got there are unusual.

According to the Broward Sheriff's Office, the weapon was left by Sean Simpson. If his name sounds familiar, he's the teacher at Marjory Stoneman Douglas who said he'd be willing to arm himself while on duty.

According to the sheriff's office report, Simpson told deputies he'd left his gun by accident. By the time the chemistry teacher realized his mistake, the Glock was already in the hands of a drunk homeless man who had picked it up and fired. The bullet hit a wall.

Simpson was able to grab the gun away from the vagrant, Joseph Spataro, who was charged with firing a weapon while intoxicated and trespassing.

As for the MSD teacher, he was arrested and charged with failing to safely store a firearm, a second-degree misdemeanor. Simpson posted a $250 cash bond and was released.

Local 10 reached out to the educator who would not comment but did say carrying a weapon around did not violate school board rules. He continues to be employed and no disciplinary action is expected to be taken, added the station.


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Well the obvious answer here is to ban bathroom stalls.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:25 pm

RedLeader wrote:
bucfanclw wrote:
Oops



Well the obvious answer here is to ban bathroom stalls.


Reminds me of exotic Fort Pickett.

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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby The Outsider » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:54 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
RedLeader wrote:

Well the obvious answer here is to ban bathroom stalls.


Reminds me of exotic Fort Pickett.

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You joke but my ****ing high school, Fork Union Military Academy in Fork Union, VA, had bathrooms like that in my barracks. So I suppose I have indeed **** Old Army style despite never actually being Army.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Buc2 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:04 pm

An army that shits together...er... never mind.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Alpha » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:07 pm

The Outsider wrote:
Buc2 wrote:You forgot video games.


I also left masturbation and crochet.


Looks like I'm going to prison for a long, loooooong time.

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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby NYBF » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:47 am

Shouldn't someone have shot him?

Naked gunman kills three in Nashville Waffle House - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43855097
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby RedLeader » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:25 pm

NYBF wrote:Shouldn't someone have shot him?

Naked gunman kills three in Nashville Waffle House - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43855097


Shouldnt ‘laws’ have stopped this guy even before it started?
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:09 pm

When is the NRA going to advocate for arming waffle house waitresses?
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Ken Carson » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:18 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:When is the NRA going to advocate for arming waffle house waitresses?

Can’t imagine Waffle Houses are gun free zones.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed May 02, 2018 10:42 pm

Man this is a complex issue

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/04/fl ... rules.html



Should his temporary ban against purchasing firearms have been extended?

I think this is a great applied case that gives enough context and detail to really help people figure out some nuance of their positions ... I know it’s challenging me
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby DreadNaught » Thu May 03, 2018 6:36 am

Zarniwoop wrote:Man this is a complex issue

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/04/fl ... rules.html



Should his temporary ban against purchasing firearms have been extended?

I think this is a great applied case that gives enough context and detail to really help people figure out some nuance of their positions ... I know it’s challenging me


I'll have to think about it after some coffee. My initial gut reaction is that I don't think this person should be allowed to purchase firearms until cleared by a mental health professional.

Too many occurrences of multiple warning signs being missed by would be mass shooters to continue to do nothing about shitheads like this. People like this idiot are what give gun owners a bad name and provide ammo for the gun control folks out there who attack the NRA for anything and everything in their quest to continue to further restrict the 2A.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Buc2 » Thu May 03, 2018 10:20 am

Zarniwoop wrote:Man this is a complex issue

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/04/fl ... rules.html



Should his temporary ban against purchasing firearms have been extended?

I think this is a great applied case that gives enough context and detail to really help people figure out some nuance of their positions ... I know it’s challenging me

Woo wee! You've posted some doozies today. I'm not sure how I feel about this one because I can see merit in the positions of both sides here. Perhaps erring on the side of caution was in order and the one year ban should have been upheld by the court. On the other hand, he was deemed not to be a threat by a mental health professional, so maybe the ban should have been lifted as this judge decreed. At the end of the day, I think more cases like this need to happen in the hopes that this very issue is kicked all the way up to the Supreme Court so we can get a Constitutional ruling.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu May 03, 2018 10:50 am

Velasquez was taken to a mental health facility, but a doctor who evaluated him deemed him to be not a threat, the newspaper reported. An Orlando detective, an FBI agent and Panter received a revolver from Velasquez’s father and were allowed to search his room.

Kendra Parris, Velasquez’s lawyer, argued that an extension of his ban would have prevented him from attaining future employment and that he was being punished for free speech. She said that Velasquez hadn’t indicated he was going to commit an atrocity, citing his lack of criminality and lack of a weapon.

Parris also said Velasquez told police he could never imagine committing a mass shooting, adding that he “wanted to look like a bada** on Reddit.”


I think the law worked. It allowed law enforcement to intervene and assess what, if any, threat this kid posed. If he's been evaluated and determined to not be a threat, than the state has done all it can do which is more than it used to do.

I think the law fits what I refer to as protecting guns from maniacs. Is some maniac going to eventually slip through this process? There's a strong chance. But that in no way means we should stop doing what can be done to protect people from maniacs with guns.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu May 03, 2018 11:24 am

For the record, I’m leaning towards being ok with the current decision. I’ll be honest though, I probably wouldn’t be making a stink about it if an extra year was added to the suspension and one additional psych evil being done after

There’s some things you just don’t joke about that have dire consequences for you ... you don’t yell fire in an auditorium, you don’t make jokes about bringing bombs onto airplanes and you don’t joke about shooting up schools/people who shot up schools
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby NYBF » Wed May 16, 2018 11:43 am

http://time.com/5279039/scot-peterson-parkland-pension/

(FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla.) — A Florida sheriff’s deputy who failed to confront a gunman during a Feb. 14 school massacre is receiving a monthly state pension of $8,702.35.

The SunSentinel reports 55-year-old Scot Peterson, who resigned and retired after the shootings, began receiving payments in April.


Retired and pulling in $100+K a year at 55. Not a bad gig.
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed May 16, 2018 11:52 am

NYBF wrote:http://time.com/5279039/scot-peterson-parkland-pension/

(FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla.) — A Florida sheriff’s deputy who failed to confront a gunman during a Feb. 14 school massacre is receiving a monthly state pension of $8,702.35.

The SunSentinel reports 55-year-old Scot Peterson, who resigned and retired after the shootings, began receiving payments in April.


Retired and pulling in $100+K a year at 55. Not a bad gig.



Nothing like gov't jobs and their ridiculous pensions...regardless of job performance.

At least in the private sector idiotic companies that did these kinds of pension schemes mostly have gone under (Detroit is next). My grandmother was receiving pension checks from LTV steel till she died when she was 96 from my grandfather's years of service there. How in the world could business leaders ever have thought these types of pensions were sustainable? They are basically pyramid schemes
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Re: Random Mass Shooting Thread

Postby uscbucsfan » Wed May 16, 2018 11:58 am

Zarniwoop wrote:
NYBF wrote:http://time.com/5279039/scot-peterson-parkland-pension/



Retired and pulling in $100+K a year at 55. Not a bad gig.



Nothing like gov't jobs and their ridiculous pensions...regardless of job performance.

At least in the private sector idiotic companies that did these kinds of pension schemes mostly have gone under (Detroit is next). My grandmother was receiving pension checks from LTV steel till she died when she was 96 from my grandfather's years of service there. How in the world could business leaders ever have thought these types of pensions were sustainable? They are basically pyramid schemes


The pensions and meidcal benefits are the biggest draw to work for, what most would consider, substandard pay and with LEO and military, extreme risks.
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