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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Brazen331 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:50 pm

Volker looks exactly like the way I picture Clewy looking like. All he needs is a pocket protector.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Selmon Rules » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:00 pm

Question.... Rep Jordan got on a line of questioning earlier that got me thinking. If Trump,was so worried about the new President in Ukraine being corrupt and would not release aid until he was convinced otherwise, why had he been sending aid to Ukraine when the prior president was known to be heading a corrupt country??

Seems to me that he should have stopped sending aid immediately upon being sworn in if he was that concerned about corruption, much less send deadly weapons.

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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Brazen331 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:09 pm

Selmon Rules wrote:Question.... Rep Jordan got on a line of questioning earlier that got me thinking. If Trump,was so worried about the new President in Ukraine being corrupt and would not release aid until he was convinced otherwise, why had he been sending aid to Ukraine when the prior president was known to be heading a corrupt country??

Seems to me that he should have stopped sending aid immediately upon being sworn in if he was that concerned about corruption, much less send deadly weapons.

Asking for a friend....


You could not have been happy with the developments today. Not a good day for the Deep State or the Never Trumper.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby bucfanclw » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:46 pm

Brazen331 wrote:Volker looks exactly like the way I picture Clewy looking like. All he needs is a pocket protector.

I'm quoting you just so you can get excited about the size of my **** again....
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Brazen331 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:46 pm

bucfanclw wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:Volker looks exactly like the way I picture Clewy looking like. All he needs is a pocket protector.

I'm quoting you just so you can get excited about the size of my **** again....


You’re barking up the wrong tree, Clewster. You might have better luck flirting with Jason Bourne.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Brazen331 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:55 pm

Most of the witnesses thus far seem to be impartial government servants. The only Deep State bad eggs so far seem to be Taylor and Vindman.

It will be interesting to see if we ever find out if Vindman perjured himself when he said he never leaked. He is definitely guilty of a ‘Comey Leak’ but I am also fairly confident that this man has also personality leaked to the press.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby MJW » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:31 pm

I've had the pleasure of knowing many enlisted and vets...that's the first time I've ever heard, "Call me by my rank," speaking as a civvie. Did that rub any of our vets the wrong way?
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby uscbucsfan » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:34 pm

MJW wrote:I've had the pleasure of knowing many enlisted and vets...that's the first time I've ever heard, "Call me by my rank," speaking as a civvie. Did that rub any of our vets the wrong way?

I didn't hear it, but I have from 06s and above...many times. Especially retired ones. They treat it like Dr.

edit: I just watched it. He seems like a douche...who knows if he does that to everyone or if it was just for this.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Brazen331 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:46 pm

MJW wrote:I've had the pleasure of knowing many enlisted and vets...that's the first time I've ever heard, "Call me by my rank," speaking as a civvie. Did that rub any of our vets the wrong way?


What bothers me about Vindman is that I doubt he would have gotten his sander up if Schiff call him Mr. instead of Nunes.

He is exactly the kind of supercilious, arrogant, partisan bureaucrat we need to rid ourselves of.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Alpha » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:47 pm

PetePierson wrote:
Noles1724 wrote:
I'm willing to wager that those that oppose socialism are perfectly fine with using the services of the fire and police department, not to mention will be using SOCIAL Security when they are eligible (assuming it's still a thing).


I am really not sure what I am to do about the 16th Amendment:

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.


But if you want to repeal the Amendment, go for it.


LMFAO!

What happened to Noles!?

It's like he just disappeared.

Shocking.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Alpha » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:51 pm

I can't WAIT to see the echo chamber melt down when Drumph is impeached! LMFAO!

Over/Under on the number of Articles of Impeachment is officially set at +/- 5.





GO!
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Brazen331 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:12 am

Alpha wrote:I can't WAIT to see the echo chamber melt down when Drumph is impeached! LMFAO!

Over/Under on the number of Articles of Impeachment is officially set at +/- 5.







GO!


I know how you feel. I can’t wait to see you bitch and cry when your boy Drumpf gets another 4 years.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Alpha » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:32 am

Brazen331 wrote:
Alpha wrote:I can't WAIT to see the echo chamber melt down when Drumph is impeached! LMFAO!

Over/Under on the number of Articles of Impeachment is officially set at +/- 5.







GO!


I know how you feel. I can’t wait to see you bitch and cry when your boy Drumpf gets another 4 years.



We'll get to those odds later.

Are you under 5 or over?
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Alpha » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:35 am

In all honesty, he's +3 SIMPLY ON WHAT HE'S SAID ON VIDEO.

Personally, I think the House throws the book at him simply because he's a pompous douche.

What do you suppose would happen if they draft 20+ Articles of Impeachment against him...just BECAUSE.

That would be some funny ****.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Brazen331 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:03 am

Alpha wrote:In all honesty, he's +3 SIMPLY ON WHAT HE'S SAID ON VIDEO.

Personally, I think the House throws the book at him simply because he's a pompous douche.

What do you suppose would happen if they draft 20+ Articles of Impeachment against him...just BECAUSE.

That would be some funny ****.


Do 50 articles. It really does not matter: They won’t get a single one to stick.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Alpha » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:37 am

Brazen331 wrote:
Alpha wrote:In all honesty, he's +3 SIMPLY ON WHAT HE'S SAID ON VIDEO.

Personally, I think the House throws the book at him simply because he's a pompous douche.

What do you suppose would happen if they draft 20+ Articles of Impeachment against him...just BECAUSE.

That would be some funny ****.


Do 50 articles. It really does not matter: They won’t get a single one to stick.


Not a single one.

Just as a House impeachment is a fait accompli, a Senate acquittal is as well. Unless it isn't, of course. Hell...Nixon was innocent as well...until he wasn't.

I've said this many times. I'm not sure why you want to ignore that but it's probably because you know I'm right and it hurts you to admit it. It's almost like you don't want to accept reality. Like you're living in your own, little, make-believe world were your boy isn't guilty AF and is relying on the Senate to absolve him. Kinda like Clinton, back in the day.

That doesn't mean that this won't be funny as hell. Watching Lindsey Graham have to defend this moron and looking like a fool while doing it. Imagine how long this shit-show will take. Imagine how much money Drumph will have to spend, defending himself. LMFAO!

Good times!!!
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:19 am

Collusion

Quid Pro Quo

Bribery



Did I miss something and what's next?

I'm hoping the American people are watching the Dem votes in the Senate also. They too need that Hillary look moment on their face.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Ken Carson » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:53 am

So when this gets to the Senate and the Republicans control the process... they can call whatever witnesses they want, right? Like... say Biden is the nominee... they could turn the Senate trial into a prosecution of Hunter Biden, right?

I’m just thinking of this now. Have the Dems not considered that once they impeach, the Republicans control the process up til and through Election Day? And they can simply pass the same House Resolution that the Dems did about the process... is Pelosi gonna day how unfair the process is?
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby TheChefO » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:11 am

Ken Carson wrote:So when this gets to the Senate and the Republicans control the process... they can call whatever witnesses they want, right? Like... say Biden is the nominee... they could turn the Senate trial into a prosecution of Hunter Biden, right?

I’m just thinking of this now. Have the Dems not considered that once they impeach, the Republicans control the process up til and through Election Day? And they can simply pass the same House Resolution that the Dems did about the process... is Pelosi gonna day how unfair the process is?


This is assuming the Senate is filled with the same gumption as the Ds in congress. They might make an example of a low level here or there, but certainly nothing of consequence.

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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby bucfanclw » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:13 am

Ken Carson wrote:So when this gets to the Senate and the Republicans control the process... they can call whatever witnesses they want, right? Like... say Biden is the nominee... they could turn the Senate trial into a prosecution of Hunter Biden, right?

I’m just thinking of this now. Have the Dems not considered that once they impeach, the Republicans control the process up til and through Election Day? And they can simply pass the same House Resolution that the Dems did about the process... is Pelosi gonna day how unfair the process is?

I'd honestly love to see that happen. I don't think you'd hear Pelosi complain about it either.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:59 am

Were any Pubs with Sondland when he changed his testimony or did the Dems surround him in the little locked room?
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:24 am

Ken Carson wrote:So when this gets to the Senate and the Republicans control the process... they can call whatever witnesses they want, right? Like... say Biden is the nominee... they could turn the Senate trial into a prosecution of Hunter Biden, right?

I’m just thinking of this now. Have the Dems not considered that once they impeach, the Republicans control the process up til and through Election Day? And they can simply pass the same House Resolution that the Dems did about the process... is Pelosi gonna day how unfair the process is?



Like every investigation or confirmation, R's will try to score cheap points. Truth is secondary.

D's will complain -- some of it will be good (see my line above), some will be to score cheap political points.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Ken Carson » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:37 am

Yeah I get that it will all be grandstanding. I am just wondering what the Ds expect will happen in the Senate. They cannot possibly think that after the way they have handled this inquiry that the witness the pubs wanted to call now won’t be called in for testimony during the Senate portion.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby NavyBuc » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:37 am

MJW wrote:I've had the pleasure of knowing many enlisted and vets...that's the first time I've ever heard, "Call me by my rank," speaking as a civvie. Did that rub any of our vets the wrong way?


My Admiral commented on it yesterday and said anybody that corrects someone and tells them by their military title in that setting is an egotistical, cocky P.O.S.

That being said, I could see Elizabeth Warren getting mad at anyone calling her Lizzie and Donald Trump getting mad for people calling him Mr. Trump. I feel like both of them would say "Call me by my correct title!"
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:48 am

Ken Carson wrote:Yeah I get that it will all be grandstanding. I am just wondering what the Ds expect will happen in the Senate. They cannot possibly think that after the way they have handled this inquiry that the witness the pubs wanted to call now won’t be called in for testimony during the Senate portion.



I would think they are smart enough to realize that....they simply don't care. They think they got their "points" now. They will also be able to fight the process the R's would use...scoring them more "points" in their minds.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby bucfanclw » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:11 am

I love Nunes opening statement of "Mr Sondland, you are here to be smeared". He just didnt realize it was going to be him and the rest of the GOP that are going to be doing it at that point. Lol
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby NavyBuc » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:23 am

My opinion of this thing is the same. I have no doubt Trump is guilty, but to me, this is not a high crime. Worthy of a censure? Yes. Impeachment? No.

My concern is this case is going to start a can of worms where any President who has an opposing party in the House is going to be impeached for little things. What made Nixon’s impeachment attempt legitimate was his own party turned on him and admitted it was a high crime. Clinton’s perjury and obstruction probably also fell into “what should have been a censure” camp.

It’s a shame because impeachment is supposed to be powerful but it’s losing its power with Clinton and Trump. If Biden gets in and the pubs have power, he’ll be impeached for touching a minor.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby Selmon Rules » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:39 am

NavyBuc wrote:My opinion of this thing is the same. I have no doubt Trump is guilty, but to me, this is not a high crime. Worthy of a censure? Yes. Impeachment? No.

My concern is this case is going to start a can of worms where any President who has an opposing party in the House is going to be impeached for little things. What made Nixon’s impeachment attempt legitimate was his own party turned on him and admitted it was a high crime. Clinton’s perjury and obstruction probably also fell into “what should have been a censure” camp.

If you believe he is guilty, you must also believe that he was willing to trade US interests for his own interests. Using Congressional approved, taxpayer money to force a newly-elected foreign government to smear a political rival. This entails bringing a foreign government into our political process and Watergate, while still being criminal, at least kept the crimes involved inside our own borders.

Where does this rank?? Worse than lying about getting a blow job but not as bad as breaking into opponents office to spy on them??

If this was Obama, the board would erupt in flames if someone suggested it would not be impeachable.... I would be in favor of it
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:46 am

NavyBuc wrote:My opinion of this thing is the same. I have no doubt Trump is guilty


-Guilty of what specifically?
-What is the evidence that he's guilty of that specific thing? (or multiple things?)
-Once you've identified the statute/law he's guilty of and cited the evidence, what are you using to base whether it's a high crime or not?

The waters have been intentionally muddied here but the issue is the POTUS using his office to specifically attack political opponents under the guise of 'foreign policy', right?

That is how the call was interpreted based on the WB complaint.

The issue is evidence. Which was the same issue with the Trump-Russia nonsense and why that ultimately turned out to be nothing but Russian interference (which we all knew and acknowledged before Trump was even inaugurated) cloaked into a Trump-Russia collusion narrative.

Hearsay and interpretations are not evidence.

The FACTS remain;

1) Zelensky/Ukraine were NEVER aware aide was being held up
2) The aide was provided
3) No investigations into the Bidens ever occurred as a result of the call

If a person acknowledges those facts I'd really like to understand the case for quid-pro quo.
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Re: Impeachment of Donald Trump thread

Postby PanteraCanes » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:48 am

Selmon Rules wrote:
NavyBuc wrote:My opinion of this thing is the same. I have no doubt Trump is guilty, but to me, this is not a high crime. Worthy of a censure? Yes. Impeachment? No.

My concern is this case is going to start a can of worms where any President who has an opposing party in the House is going to be impeached for little things. What made Nixon’s impeachment attempt legitimate was his own party turned on him and admitted it was a high crime. Clinton’s perjury and obstruction probably also fell into “what should have been a censure” camp.

If you believe he is guilty, you must also believe that he was willing to trade US interests for his own interests. Using Congressional approved, taxpayer money to force a newly-elected foreign government to smear a political rival. This entails bringing a foreign government into our political process and Watergate, while still being criminal, at least kept the crimes involved inside our own borders.

Where does this rank?? Worse than lying about getting a blow job but not as bad as breaking into opponents office to spy on them??

If this was Obama, the board would erupt in flames if someone suggested it would not be impeachable.... I would be in favor of it



Biden had just bragged on tape about holding up a billion in taxpayer dollars from the same government unless they fire the guy investigating his son. You just want to let that slide?

I thought we were all about investigating to make sure our elections were not tainted. If it is believed that that government was part of some smear conspiracy which resulted in a 2 year investigation that might have been started on fraudulent documents do you not want that looked into?
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