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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby Buc2 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:44 am

Brazen331 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Pump the brakes a bit. You got a lot right here, but it still needs some cleanup. Some thoughts for you:

Cutting off oil is the moment Japan decided to hit Pearl Harbor.

Russia is actively doing **** in Crimea and Syria. China to my knowledge has no military campaigns going on right now.

Yes, China wants to dominate the Pacific and they want us out of there. It's not going to happen. Economically or militarily.

Remember the real estate bubble in 08? When it popped and started the great recession, GDP losses were about equal to the entire GDP of China. We shrank a China.

We in the US look at the trade deficit with China and their 2.5 million man army and assume that they are going to overtake the US. Ain't happening any time soon.

The focus needs to be on NK. Personally, I would prefer we don't resume war with NK. A fuckton of civilians would die and create a humanitarian crisis that would make Aleppo look like romper room.


I pretty much agree with everything you said here. I just wish we would threaten to place nukes in SK or actually do it because it could very well work.

If NK actually has the capacity to miniaturize a nuclear warhead and place it on a missile they did not get there on their own: China had to have helped them do it.

So if China is fine with NK pointing nuclear missiles at us then they should be fine with having some in SK pointed back at them.

I do think they would rather NK not have them than to have SK and Japan have them.


We have nukes in the area.

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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby Rocker » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:40 am

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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby beardmcdoug » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:50 am

here's some more **** to get your blood going this morning

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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby Swashy » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:53 am



Someone needs to take Twitter away from this stupid ****. Oh my merciful Christ
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:54 am

Swashy wrote:


Someone needs to take Twitter away from this stupid ****. Oh my merciful Christ

That tweet is from 2013. Deep breath.
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby Swashy » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:56 am

beardmcdoug wrote:here's some more **** to get your blood going this morning



It doesn't help that they asked every airhead that you know full and well had someone do their homework for them or otherwise slept through geography. I'm curious if Trump even knows where Korea is on a map
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby beardmcdoug » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:07 am

Swashy wrote:
beardmcdoug wrote:here's some more **** to get your blood going this morning



It doesn't help that they asked every airhead that you know full and well had someone do their homework for them or otherwise slept through geography. I'm curious if Trump even knows where Korea is on a map


I know its selective, just like all the trump supporter versions are selective

but the bitch thought it was canada.

the other bitch thought it was south america.

the other bitch thought it was europe.

you shouldn't be able to find 3 people off the street who think NK is either Europe, Canada, or ****ing south America... ANYWHERE.... let alone in one afternoon

THESE cunts are the new-age "intellectual progressives" that are blowing up twitter acting like they know everything about everything. If you're a dumb ****ing redneck, you're a dumb ****ing redneck and you don't profess to have the high ground, you're just asking to be left alone. these type of cunts are the ones who provide the inertia behind every type of movement you see these days.

this type of video triggers me so hard because I used to be on their side, sitting there watching "dumb rednecks don't know where afghanistan" jimmy kimmel videos with them.... just assuming they were actually smarter, that they actually were more invested in understanding the bigger picture, that they were more prudent with their standards of information

so now I watch as *this* type of bitch, the edgy blonde, the progressive nose-ring asian girl, the other blonde with the edgy forearm tattoo, the ***** nu-male stunted-growth punk rock dood, steer every national conversation into the "muh progressive feels" ditch (e.g. the Google memo)... seeing this kind of **** just pisses me off so much... I literally thought they were more aware, because their entire persona is based off that foundation of outward expression of acceptance of "new information". But no. They're just dumb ****ing cunts all the same. If the democracy fails, it'll be because of these pseudo-intellectuals highjacked the controls, not because we couldn't bear the extra cargo of dumb rednecks
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:13 am

Those "bitches" need some mansplaining
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:21 am

beardmcdoug wrote:
Swashy wrote:
It doesn't help that they asked every airhead that you know full and well had someone do their homework for them or otherwise slept through geography. I'm curious if Trump even knows where Korea is on a map


I know its selective, just like all the trump supporter versions are selective

but the bitch thought it was canada.

the other bitch thought it was south america.

the other bitch thought it was europe.

you shouldn't be able to find 3 people off the street who think NK is either Europe, Canada, or ****ing south America... ANYWHERE.... let alone in one afternoon

THESE cunts are the new-age "intellectual progressives" that are blowing up twitter acting like they know everything about everything. If you're a dumb ****ing redneck, you're a dumb ****ing redneck and you don't profess to have the high ground, you're just asking to be left alone. these type of cunts are the ones who provide the inertia behind every type of movement you see these days.


This is the downside with technology which provides everyone a platform to voice their opinion.
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby Swashy » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:15 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Swashy wrote:
Someone needs to take Twitter away from this stupid ****. Oh my merciful Christ

That tweet is from 2013. Deep breath.


Yeah, I know. But that was my reaction to the tweet regardless of when it was posted. It would be major LOL's if he posted something like that about himself.
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:16 am

Swashy wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:That tweet is from 2013. Deep breath.


Yeah, I know. But that was my reaction to the tweet regardless of when it was posted. It would be major LOL's if he posted something like that about himself.

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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:28 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Swashy wrote:
Yeah, I know. But that was my reaction to the tweet regardless of when it was posted. It would be major LOL's if he posted something like that about himself.

r/trumpcriticisestrump





We should have a website fully dedicated to showing all politicians directly contradicting themselves...and everyone should be required to watch it before they vote.


I recently watched the documentary ETHOS (and while in large part it sucked) the opening was great. They had video clips of politicians saying one thing...followed directly by a video clip of the same politician saying exactly the opposite thing.
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby deltbucs » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:32 am


I really wish he wouldn't talk in the 3rd person so much.
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby deltbucs » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:33 am

Swashy wrote:
beardmcdoug wrote:here's some more **** to get your blood going this morning



It doesn't help that they asked every airhead that you know full and well had someone do their homework for them or otherwise slept through geography. I'm curious if Trump even knows where Korea is on a map

That was my thought when watching the video. I would bet money that he couldn't point it out on a map.
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby deltbucs » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:33 am

Zarniwoop wrote:Those "bitches" need some mansplaining

HA!
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby deltbucs » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:35 am

Zarniwoop wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:r/trumpcriticisestrump





We should have a website fully dedicated to showing all politicians directly contradicting themselves...and everyone should be required to watch it before they vote.


I recently watched the documentary ETHOS (and while in large part it sucked) the opening was great. They had video clips of politicians saying one thing...followed directly by a video clip of the same politician saying exactly the opposite thing.

Seems like you've been on a roll watching a lot of documentaries lately. Please share if you've seen some really good ones.
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby Swashy » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:49 am

beardmcdoug wrote:
Swashy wrote:
It doesn't help that they asked every airhead that you know full and well had someone do their homework for them or otherwise slept through geography. I'm curious if Trump even knows where Korea is on a map


I know its selective, just like all the trump supporter versions are selective

but the bitch thought it was canada.

the other bitch thought it was south america.

the other bitch thought it was europe.

you shouldn't be able to find 3 people off the street who think NK is either Europe, Canada, or ****ing south America... ANYWHERE.... let alone in one afternoon

THESE cunts are the new-age "intellectual progressives" that are blowing up twitter acting like they know everything about everything. If you're a dumb ****ing redneck, you're a dumb ****ing redneck and you don't profess to have the high ground, you're just asking to be left alone. these type of cunts are the ones who provide the inertia behind every type of movement you see these days.

this type of video triggers me so hard because I used to be on their side, sitting there watching "dumb rednecks don't know where afghanistan" jimmy kimmel videos with them.... just assuming they were actually smarter, that they actually were more invested in understanding the bigger picture, that they were more prudent with their standards of information

so now I watch as *this* type of bitch, the edgy blonde, the progressive nose-ring asian girl, the other blonde with the edgy forearm tattoo, the ***** nu-male stunted-growth punk rock dood, steer every national conversation into the "muh progressive feels" ditch (e.g. the Google memo)... seeing this kind of **** just pisses me off so much... I literally thought they were more aware, because their entire persona is based off that foundation of outward expression of acceptance of "new information". But no. They're just dumb ****ing cunts all the same. If the democracy fails, it'll be because of these pseudo-intellectuals highjacked the controls, not because we couldn't bear the extra cargo of dumb rednecks


That's a fair enough response. Unfortunately we cannot do anything about it but I do reserve a small sense of hope.

I have a hard time believing that this problem you're citing has gotten any worse than before. I think mass media has only just further enabled access to other people's stupidity and allowed those people to further perpetuate it. Unless you live in North Korea where you can't even look out the ****ing window without permission.... the rest of the world as a whole has been given the world access to more and more idiots. I don't think the amount of stupid people has actually gone up. Neither has the amount of fucked up things in the world. Not unless you want to argue that quantity as a ratio against the present population. i.e the 1 in a 10:1 ratio represents 100 people of a 1000 person sample as opposed to 10 people in a 100 person sample. But like I said I don't believe things to really be any more prevalent today than before.

Lady Swash loves old school TV and she'll say stuff like "I wish we lived in those days. Things were so much better" when talking about The Andy Griffith Show. To which I can only say, "You mean when blacks were treated like second class citizens and had other bathrooms? When people were routinely dying in the name of social race wars instead of just today's civil unrest? Or do you mean that Opie could wander down the road by himself to go fishing because you'd never know in a million years he's passing the house of your 6th grade science teacher got busted for child porn like mine was? The dude lived right down the road from me! I passed his house to go see my friends! And the sad truth is that show was set in the present of the 60's. But it was intentionally attempting to depict a historical representation of small town North Carolina at least a decades or so prior to the present time of the 1960's in which it was filmed. If you have to put a number on it, the year of the Andy Griffith show is probably 1946 to 1948 just after WWII because I don't see enough remnants of the great depression for it to be set the 1930's. Baby do the math and you'll find out the ****ing holocaust happened over 5 years before all that if you want to believe my estimate! Things weren't any less fucked up back then in the USA or the world."

But lets pretend we have a time machine for a second....

We'll go back to the year 1953 and I promise you if we took cameras down that same road in Hollywood and asked the progressive hipsters of the day, they wouldn't be able to find Russia despite the fact it was the biggest ***damn country on the map but they'll tell you all about how Russia is a threat that needs to be dealt with. Do some invasive research and you'll find approximately the same amount of sick, depraved people. And then Bear.... let's give them some Google Search or Web MD and I PROMISE you at least a handful of these dumbasses who could type in symptoms would arrive at a false conclusion and think they have Polio.

If anything Bear, mass media has enlightened us only to the stupidity and sicknesses that have long existed within our own population. I intentionally went off topic to include messed up stuff like my science teacher and stuff like the holocaust. I simply cannot exclude that portion of humanity in this conversation. I feel too strongly about it. After all that I can handle stupid kids with nose rings not knowing where Russia is and that's how I deal with it.

So as time goes by we'll think the next generation is even dumber than this one but the truth is people were always dumb to begin with and the more cameras that are around to shine on more people, the greater the social exacerbation of stupidity like what we just saw on this video and the plight of people who want to superficially act like they're making a difference but are too ****ing stupid to help themselves to a text book or more than 3 minutes of research on google.

I'll cut it off here. I've ranted long enough
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby Selmon Rules » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:54 am

Brazen331 wrote:China could stop the NK nuclear program tomorrow. All they have to do is stop shipping oil into the recluse nation. NK cannot function, cannot exist as a family-run dictatorship without China. But NK serves China's interests so they will never help us. So it's time for the US to look out for its intersts. Do you think China wants nuclear weapons in SK, Japan and perhaps Australia?

This would not be China's interests but it is in ours'. It's nice to focus on our real enemy, the real threat to the future of the USA for a change rather than the fake, manufactured threat that is Russia. Russia has an economy about as big as Canada's while China has a 2.5 million man standing army.

Make no mistake, China wants us out of the Pacific; they want complete domination over their sphere of influence, and once they have it, they can work on surpassing the USA as the most dominant super power on the planet. A world with China as the most powerful nation will be a very different world indeed.

We obviously cannot go to war, but we can strengthen our allies, and check China by keeping it surrounded. So if China will not help us we need to help ourselves, look out for our own interests without any regard whatsoever as to whether it hurts China or not. They are certainly not in the business of helping us.

China also wants stability in the region and that's gonna be difficult now with Trump daring NK to do something stupid. Having complete domination over a region is no good if the region is in the middle of a shitstorm with warring countries, especially if those warring countries have nukes and lunatics running them....
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby PrimeMinister » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:02 pm

Swashy wrote:
beardmcdoug wrote:
I know its selective, just like all the trump supporter versions are selective

but the bitch thought it was canada.

the other bitch thought it was south america.

the other bitch thought it was europe.

you shouldn't be able to find 3 people off the street who think NK is either Europe, Canada, or ****ing south America... ANYWHERE.... let alone in one afternoon

THESE cunts are the new-age "intellectual progressives" that are blowing up twitter acting like they know everything about everything. If you're a dumb ****ing redneck, you're a dumb ****ing redneck and you don't profess to have the high ground, you're just asking to be left alone. these type of cunts are the ones who provide the inertia behind every type of movement you see these days.

this type of video triggers me so hard because I used to be on their side, sitting there watching "dumb rednecks don't know where afghanistan" jimmy kimmel videos with them.... just assuming they were actually smarter, that they actually were more invested in understanding the bigger picture, that they were more prudent with their standards of information

so now I watch as *this* type of bitch, the edgy blonde, the progressive nose-ring asian girl, the other blonde with the edgy forearm tattoo, the ***** nu-male stunted-growth punk rock dood, steer every national conversation into the "muh progressive feels" ditch (e.g. the Google memo)... seeing this kind of **** just pisses me off so much... I literally thought they were more aware, because their entire persona is based off that foundation of outward expression of acceptance of "new information". But no. They're just dumb ****ing cunts all the same. If the democracy fails, it'll be because of these pseudo-intellectuals highjacked the controls, not because we couldn't bear the extra cargo of dumb rednecks


That's a fair enough response. Unfortunately we cannot do anything about it but I do reserve a small sense of hope.

I have a hard time believing that this problem you're citing has gotten any worse than before. I think mass media has only just further enabled access to other people's stupidity and allowed those people to further perpetuate it. Unless you live in North Korea where you can't even look out the ****ing window without permission.... the rest of the world as a whole has been given the world access to more and more idiots. I don't think the amount of stupid people has actually gone up. Neither has the amount of fucked up things in the world. Not unless you want to argue that quantity as a ratio against the present population. i.e the 1 in a 10:1 ratio represents 100 people of a 1000 person sample as opposed to 10 people in a 100 person sample. But like I said I don't believe things to really be any more prevalent today than before.

Lady Swash loves old school TV and she'll say stuff like "I wish we lived in those days. Things were so much better" when talking about The Andy Griffith Show. To which I can only say, "You mean when blacks were treated like second class citizens and had other bathrooms? When people were routinely dying in the name of social race wars instead of just today's civil unrest? Or do you mean that Opie could wander down the road by himself to go fishing because you'd never know in a million years he's passing the house of your 6th grade science teacher got busted for child porn like mine was? The dude lived right down the road from me! I passed his house to go see my friends! And the sad truth is that show was set in the present of the 60's. But it was intentionally attempting to depict a historical representation of small town North Carolina at least a decades or so prior to the present time of the 1960's in which it was filmed. If you have to put a number on it, the year of the Andy Griffith show is probably 1946 to 1948 just after WWII because I don't see enough remnants of the great depression for it to be set the 1930's. Baby do the math and you'll find out the ****ing holocaust happened over 5 years before all that if you want to believe my estimate! Things weren't any less fucked up back then in the USA or the world."

But lets pretend we have a time machine for a second....

We'll go back to the year 1953 and I promise you if we took cameras down that same road in Hollywood and asked the progressive hipsters of the day, they wouldn't be able to find Russia despite the fact it was the biggest ***damn country on the map but they'll tell you all about how Russia is a threat that needs to be dealt with. Do some invasive research and you'll find approximately the same amount of sick, depraved people. And then Bear.... let's give them some Google Search or Web MD and I PROMISE you at least a handful of these dumbasses who could type in symptoms would arrive at a false conclusion and think they have Polio.

If anything Bear, mass media has enlightened us only to the stupidity and sicknesses that have long existed within our own population. I intentionally went off topic to include messed up stuff like my science teacher and stuff like the holocaust. I simply cannot exclude that portion of humanity in this conversation. I feel too strongly about it. After all that I can handle stupid kids with nose rings not knowing where Russia is and that's how I deal with it.

So as time goes by we'll think the next generation is even dumber than this one but the truth is people were always dumb to begin with and the more cameras that are around to shine on more people, the greater the social exacerbation of stupidity like what we just saw on this video and the plight of people who want to superficially act like they're making a difference but are too ****ing stupid to help themselves to a text book or more than 3 minutes of research on google.

I'll cut it off here. I've ranted long enough


Good rant. Pretty much agree with all of it.
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:07 pm

Pretty strong words from Mad dog Mattis on North Korea. Not quite the colorful "fire and fury" language Trump used, but just as direct.

US Defense Secretary James Mattis issued a dramatic ultimatum to North Korea on Wednesday to "cease any consideration of actions that would lead to the end of its regime and destruction of its people"
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby mightyleemoon » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:22 pm

I'm starting to think that, even if NK had a dozen nukes, they wouldn't fire a single one. First, they love to paint themselves as having the moral high ground. Their propaganda is all about the aggression of the Western world. Pretty sure they betray their own pamphlets by launching first. Second, there is no way Kimmy is dumb enough to think there would be no retaliation. He knows if he let loose 1 or a dozen...there's a damn good chance missiles will start flying towards NK in greater numbers.

I dunno. I just can't picture a scenario where NK throws the first punch. They might do everything they can to try and goad us into throwing a punch so they have a legit case against America. But, I just don't see them doing anything other than lobbing darts into the water.
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby Buc2 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:31 pm

mightyleemoon wrote:I'm starting to think that, even if NK had a dozen nukes, they wouldn't fire a single one. First, they love to paint themselves as having the moral high ground. Their propaganda is all about the aggression of the Western world. Pretty sure they betray their own pamphlets by launching first. Second, there is no way Kimmy is dumb enough to think there would be no retaliation. He knows if he let loose 1 or a dozen...there's a damn good chance missiles will start flying towards NK in greater numbers.

I dunno. I just can't picture a scenario where NK throws the first punch. They might do everything they can to try and goad us into throwing a punch so they have a legit case against America. But, I just don't see them doing anything other than lobbing darts into the water.

Agreed. They can talk the smack all they want so long as neither side does anything really stupid...like push a button or loose a missile.
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:45 pm

i don't think any logic can be applied to Kim Jong Un...the dude seems completely out to lunch
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:47 pm

mightyleemoon wrote:I'm starting to think that, even if NK had a dozen nukes, they wouldn't fire a single one. First, they love to paint themselves as having the moral high ground. Their propaganda is all about the aggression of the Western world. Pretty sure they betray their own pamphlets by launching first. Second, there is no way Kimmy is dumb enough to think there would be no retaliation. He knows if he let loose 1 or a dozen...there's a damn good chance missiles will start flying towards NK in greater numbers.

I dunno. I just can't picture a scenario where NK throws the first punch. They might do everything they can to try and goad us into throwing a punch so they have a legit case against America. But, I just don't see them doing anything other than lobbing darts into the water.


There is a 100% chance that if any country fired off a nuclear missile at the US (or even an ally perhaps) that they'd have multiple nuclear warheads raining down on them. It's why we have nuclear deterrence and subs on patrol 24/7.

We should make a clear differentiation between conventional weapons and nuclear weapons though. The US is not going to first strike with a Nuke, it just ain't happening. Especially against a country like NK that we could obliterate with conventional weapons.

To me this is becoming a situation of whether or not we are comfortable with getting into a 'cold war' situation with a hostile and isolated dictatorship like North Korea, which is what WILL happen if they continue to develop their nuclear capability. -OR- Do we want to act with military action before it gets to the point, assuming NK continues not to abide by the UN sanctions placed on their weapons program.

There is also the potential for NK to share their weapons capability with other hostile regimes like Iran. North Korea has a delegation in Iran right now fwiw.

I don't believe the 'head in the sand' strategy some seem to favor is wise here. Deciding to do nothing is still an action and in this case not a wise one. But the ball is in NK's court right now and both our POTUS and SECDEF have made statements within the past 24 hours that further weapons development (violation of sanctions) won't be tolerated. We'll see if this is an Obama line in the sand (bluff).
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:51 pm

Buc2 wrote:
mightyleemoon wrote:I'm starting to think that, even if NK had a dozen nukes, they wouldn't fire a single one. First, they love to paint themselves as having the moral high ground. Their propaganda is all about the aggression of the Western world. Pretty sure they betray their own pamphlets by launching first. Second, there is no way Kimmy is dumb enough to think there would be no retaliation. He knows if he let loose 1 or a dozen...there's a damn good chance missiles will start flying towards NK in greater numbers.

I dunno. I just can't picture a scenario where NK throws the first punch. They might do everything they can to try and goad us into throwing a punch so they have a legit case against America. But, I just don't see them doing anything other than lobbing darts into the water.

Agreed. They can talk the smack all they want so long as neither side does anything really stupid...like push a button or loose a missile.


So you're cool with letting North Korea and potentially Iran having the capability to launch nuclear weapons, just as long as they don't launch them?

If so, you're saying that diplomacy efforts by the UN and sanctions are useless.
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby Buc2 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:53 pm

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Buc2 wrote:Agreed. They can talk the smack all they want so long as neither side does anything really stupid...like push a button or loose a missile.


So you're cool with letting North Korea and potentially Iran having the capability to launch nuclear weapons, just as long as they don't launch them?

If so, you're saying that diplomacy efforts by the UN and sanctions are useless.

The UN was proven useless years ago. And, yes, I'm cool with not restarting the war with NK.
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby WalterGronkite » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:00 pm

Not that they are useless, but only addresses part of problem. Thought this was a good read.

Time For U.S. To Sanction Largest Chinese Banks?
Gordon G. Chang, CONTRIBUTOR
Jul 2, 2017 8:28 PM 1,276
Thursday, the U.S. Treasury Department, exercising authority under Section 311 of the Patriot Act, announced its finding that Bank of Dandong, a Chinese financial institution, was a “primary money laundering concern.”

As such, Treasury proposed prohibiting all U.S. financial institutions from “maintaining correspondent accounts” for or on behalf of that bank.

The proposed prohibition will almost certainly go into effect after a 60-day comment period. When it does, Bank of Dandong will be severed from the dollar-based global financial system. It will be the first Chinese institution to have received what is tantamount to a death sentence for ties to the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.



Treasury maintains that Bank of Dandong “acts as a conduit for North Korea” and that it has been “facilitating millions of dollars of transactions for companies involved in North Korea’s WMD and ballistic missile programs,” including entities designated by the U.S. and U.N. either as proliferators or front company for proliferators.

As a practical matter, U.S. institutions will immediately cut ties with Bank of Dandong, as will most others.

What happens in Dandong does not stay in Dandong. The action against the small-fry bank is likely to mark only the intensification of America’s long effort to get Chinese institutions to cut links to North Korea.

Beijing’s support of the North’s money-laundering efforts has a long history. In September 2005, Treasury designated Banco Delta Asia, a Macau front bank for Pyongyang, a primary money laundering concern. At the same time, the U.S. froze $25 million in funds in that shady Chinese financial institution.

The move was extraordinarily effective, and Pyongyang had to use its diplomats as mules, hauling cash in suitcases around the world to pay bills and receive payments. “North Korean officials,” reports Bruce Klingner of the Heritage Foundation, “told a U.S. official at the time ‘you finally found a way to hurt us.’ ”



The Banco Delta Asia saga, however, did not have a happy ending for Washington. Beijing pressured the Bush administration to release the cash, and Chinese officials also held out a carrot, arguing the North Koreans would return to the Six-Party “denuclearization” talks if Washington complied.

In response, Bush officials released the $25 million in 2007, but Pyongyang merely pocketed this and other concessions and formally walked away from the troubled negotiations in 2009, after two years of prevarication and delay.

The Obama administration was not much more successful. Last September, Treasury sanctioned Dandong Hongxiang Industrial Development Co. and four individuals for links to North Korea, and at the same time the Justice Department announced the unsealing of indictments against the same parties for laundering money through the U.S. financial system for Pyongyang. Justice also initiated a civil forfeiture action to recover money in 25 Chinese bank accounts.

The U.S. then did not charge Bank of Dandong even though it was holding funds of Dandong Hongxiang. On the contrary, the Justice Department’s press release announcing the forfeitures of the Chinese bank accounts stated this: “There are no allegations of wrongdoing by the U.S. correspondent banks or foreign banks that maintain these accounts.”



That statement, patently false, was another American mistake. As the Wall Street Journal noted in an editorial, the Obama administration signaled Chinese banks “are untouchable.”

In all probability, the White House decided its forfeiture action was enough of a signal to encourage Beijing to clean up its banking system. As events turned out, it was not nearly enough. Chinese intransigence forced Treasury’s designation of Bank of Dandong on Thursday.

The question now is whether Beijing will finally cut all banking links with North Korea. Many assume China will take the dirty business and spread it among other financial institutions in order to make it hard for the U.S. Treasury to bring new enforcement actions. As Bonnie Glaser of the Center for Strategic and International Studies told the Washington Post, “The real problem with these banks in Northeast China is, you can shut them down and they just pop up somewhere else and we’ll just be playing whack-a-mole.”

So how does Washington whack the new moles? Klingner of Heritage, in comments to CNBC, suggested Treasury could designate small- and medium-sized banks and impose “significant fines against China’s big-four banks if they are found to be complicit.”


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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

Postby uscbucsfan » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:44 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Buc2 wrote:Agreed. They can talk the smack all they want so long as neither side does anything really stupid...like push a button or loose a missile.


So you're cool with letting North Korea and potentially Iran having the capability to launch nuclear weapons, just as long as they don't launch them?

If so, you're saying that diplomacy efforts by the UN and sanctions are useless.


To respond to a few of the things you've said recently briefly:

I'm not an interventionist as I've explained with Syria. NK just having nukes is not a reason to go to war with them. I would rather wait for them to attack and ally before taking military action. I'm not ok with a preemptive attack to protect SK or Japan, even with the military we have there.

However...

NK threatening to attack the US with said Nukes is not ok and if the IC has intel of plans to do so, even Guam, I hope we strike with all the fire and fury promised. I don't want to ***** foot it like we did with Iraq, Afghanistan, etc....If we are doing this, we need to go all out, but with a heavy focus of air strikes. This would produce the least amount of US causalities. I would be heading to Korea, but that's justifiable for me and my family.
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Re: Donald Trump vs North Korea

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