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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby deltbucs » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:28 pm

NYBF wrote:Depending on how true this info is, seems the people should already have claims on the infrastructure:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-kus ... 39394.html

Damn...That's fucked up, but yet exactly what you'd expect. Those poor ISP's sure do need our money.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby PrimeMinister » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:17 am

NYBF wrote:Depending on how true this info is, seems the people should already have claims on the infrastructure:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-kus ... 39394.html


Par for the course.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Buc2 » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:08 pm

And here we go!

Verizon Says It Was Totally Just Testing How to Throttle Video

After rumors spread on Reddit that Verizon Wireless customers were unable to achieve feeds of faster than 10Mbps while connected to Netflix, the company confirmed to Ars Technica this week it was conducting “network testing over the past few days to optimize the performance of video applications on our network.”

While both Ars Technica and The Verge were able to confirm Verizon Wireless seemed to be capping Netflix speeds at somewhere between 5Mbps and 10Mbps, the apparent throttling would not necessarily affect most users. On mobile, Netflix should have functioned fine for most users other than those streaming high quality video over a tethered connection. Some users reported similar throttling of YouTube video, though again at a 10Mbps rate which allowed high quality streaming.

Just a few months ago, Verizon claimed its new unlimited data plan wouldn’t throttle video — at least until users hit 22GB of data. For its part, the company told Ars Technica the video throttling was “across the board” and affected its own video streaming services, not just third-party services.

However, with FCC Chairman Ajit Pai seemingly dead-set on strangling net neutrality to death, Verizon might soon get an opportunity to test many new and exciting forms of data throttling on its customers.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:30 am

Bloomberg.


The U.S. Federal Communications Commission next month is planning a vote to kill Obama-era rules demanding fair treatment of web traffic and may decide to vacate the regulations altogether, according to people familiar with the plans.

The move would reignite a years-long debate that has seen Republicans and broadband providers seeking to eliminate the rules, while Democrats and technology companies support them. The regulations passed in 2015 bar broadband providers such as AT&T Inc. and Comcast Corp. from interfering with web traffic sent by Google, Facebook Inc. and others.

FCC Chairman Ajit Pai, chosen by President Donald Trump, in April proposed gutting the rules and asked for public reaction. The agency has taken in more than 22 million comments on the matter.

Pai plans to seek a vote in December, said two people who asked not to be identified because the matter hasn’t been made public. As the head of a Republican majority, he is likely to win a vote on whatever he proposes.

One of the people said Pai may call for vacating the rules except for portions that mandate internet service providers inform customers about their practices -- one of the more severe options that would please broadband providers. They argue the FCC’s rules aren’t needed and discourage investment, in part because they subject companies to complex and unpredictable regulations.

Democrats and technology companies say the rules are needed to make sure telecommunications providers don’t favor business partners or harm rivals.

The agency declined to comment on the timing of a vote. “We don’t have anything to report at this point,” said Tina Pelkey, a spokeswoman for the commission.

Pai in April proposed that the FCC end the designation of broadband companies as common carriers. That would remove the legal authority that underpins the net neutrality rules.

Pai could also choose not to find authority in the FCC’s powers to promote broadband. That would leave the rules without an apparent legal footing, leading in turn to a conclusion the agency lacks authority even to issue revised, less-stringent regulations.

The April proposal also asked the agency to consider lifting bans on blocking web traffic or on building “fast lanes” that favor those willing to pay more for faster service.

Immediate Reaction

News of the December vote drew immediate reactions.

“Abandoning bipartisan net neutrality principles threatens to kill the streaming revolution and will hurt businesses, large and small, who are migrating to the cloud at record speeds,” said Chip Pickering, chief executive officer of the Incompas trade group with members including online shopping giant Amazon.com Inc. and video streamer Netflix Inc.

“Chairman Pai’s affection for AT&T and Comcast holds great political risk for President Trump and the entire Republican Party,” Pickering said in an emailed statement. “No one wants to see the internet turned into cable and have to pay more for streaming services they love."

Commissioner Mignon Clyburn, part of the FCC’s Democratic minority, said the agency is headed down a “destructive path” that doesn’t help consumers.

“What consumers want is access to a free and open internet without fear of being throttled or assessed a toll by their broadband service provider,” Clyburn said in an emailed statement.

Tech’s Agenda in Trump’s Washington: QuickTake Scorecard

The current regulations forbid broadband providers from blocking or slowing web traffic, or from charging higher fees in return for quicker passage over their networks.

Supporters of the rules say they are needed to keep network owners from unfairly squelching rivals and discouraging web startups. Critics say the rules discourage investment while exposing companies to a threat of heavier regulation including pricing mandates, and that marketplace competition will discipline broadband providers.

The regulation survived a court challenge from broadband providers last year.

Trump’s White House has opposed the rules. In July, as Pai’s critics protested, a White House spokesman said the administration “supports the FCC’s efforts to roll back burdensome, monopoly-era regulations.”

— With assistance by Jennifer Epstein


Bottom line. You will pay more for less.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby deltbucs » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:33 pm

That's some ****ing bullshit
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Phantom Phenom » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:37 pm

When net neutrally gets taken out, you'll see small changes at first. Kinda like how video games slowly became full of DLC and microtransactions. Eventually it will be like cable where you pay for packages of websites. Plus Comcast has total control of sites they don't like.

They could even go as far as banning sites they feel are not morally friendly, such as p0rn sites. Or they could just block them all and push their own type of services.

The vote is next month.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:46 pm

I wonder how much we'll have to pay to access this site?
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby uscbucsfan » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:47 pm

Phantom Phenom wrote:When net neutrally gets taken out, you'll see small changes at first. Kinda like how video games slowly became full of DLC and microtransactions. Eventually it will be like cable where you pay for packages of websites. Plus Comcast has total control of sites they don't like.

They could even go as far as banning sites they feel are not morally friendly, such as p0rn sites. Or they could just block them all and push their own type of services.

. The vote is next month.

Where did you read that's what they will do? Have any ISP come out and said they will do any of that?

I get bringing up all the worst case scenarios in attempts to get a rise out of people and peak interest, but you are selling bullshit.

Prior to 2015 there wasn't net neutrality, it will be closer to that than what you are talking about. The big change is going to be throttling services like Netflix, Hulu, etc. running on ISP's services for people who aren't paying for their entertainment. This primarily going to come from the large ISPs that are primarily cable companies (Comcast, Spectrum, etc.) If you hate that, cancel your service and go with another company. As previously discussed, there are options everywhere.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Phantom Phenom » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:50 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:
Phantom Phenom wrote:When net neutrally gets taken out, you'll see small changes at first. Kinda like how video games slowly became full of DLC and microtransactions. Eventually it will be like cable where you pay for packages of websites. Plus Comcast has total control of sites they don't like.

They could even go as far as banning sites they feel are not morally friendly, such as p0rn sites. Or they could just block them all and push their own type of services.

. The vote is next month.

Where did you read that's what they will do? Have any ISP come out and said they will do any of that?

I get bringing up all the worst case scenarios in attempts to get a rise out of people and peak interest, but you are selling bullshit.

Prior to 2015 there wasn't net neutrality, it will be closer to that than what you are talking about. The big change is going to be throttling services like Netflix, Hulu, etc. running on ISP's services for people who aren't paying for their entertainment. This primarily going to come from the large ISPs that are primarily cable companies (Comcast, Spectrum, etc.) If you hate that, cancel your service and go with another company. As previously discussed, there are options everywhere.



just my opinion but we shall see
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby uscbucsfan » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:53 pm

Phantom Phenom wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:Where did you read that's what they will do? Have any ISP come out and said they will do any of that?

I get bringing up all the worst case scenarios in attempts to get a rise out of people and peak interest, but you are selling bullshit.

Prior to 2015 there wasn't net neutrality, it will be closer to that than what you are talking about. The big change is going to be throttling services like Netflix, Hulu, etc. running on ISP's services for people who aren't paying for their entertainment. This primarily going to come from the large ISPs that are primarily cable companies (Comcast, Spectrum, etc.) If you hate that, cancel your service and go with another company. As previously discussed, there are options everywhere.



just my opinion but we shall see


Explain why that's your opinion.

You do know cable companies can raise their top tier prices now, right? As long as they offer lower basic prices, they can raise their higher packages. They don't to retain customers, the market is preventing that. So why implement what you are saying? You don't think they will continue to attempt to retain customers?

They are simply losing money to companies like Netflix, Hulu, etc. Chord cutting and high bandwidth consumption from these companies is hurting them, so they want to throttle their activity, unless you purchase their entire platter of products. Again, we are primarily talking about Comcast, Spectrum, and companies that base a large percentage of their business on entertainment offerings. At the end of the day it's a business. If they start implementing what you believe, they will fail faster than they are currently.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby NYBF » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:37 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:I wonder how much we'll have to pay to access this site?


Imagine the meltdown corsair will have
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby bucfanclw » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:17 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:
Phantom Phenom wrote:When net neutrally gets taken out, you'll see small changes at first. Kinda like how video games slowly became full of DLC and microtransactions. Eventually it will be like cable where you pay for packages of websites. Plus Comcast has total control of sites they don't like.

They could even go as far as banning sites they feel are not morally friendly, such as p0rn sites. Or they could just block them all and push their own type of services.

. The vote is next month.

Where did you read that's what they will do? Have any ISP come out and said they will do any of that?

I get bringing up all the worst case scenarios in attempts to get a rise out of people and peak interest, but you are selling bullshit.

Prior to 2015 there wasn't net neutrality, it will be closer to that than what you are talking about. The big change is going to be throttling services like Netflix, Hulu, etc. running on ISP's services for people who aren't paying for their entertainment. This primarily going to come from the large ISPs that are primarily cable companies (Comcast, Spectrum, etc.) If you hate that, cancel your service and go with another company. As previously discussed, there are options everywhere.

Why would Comcast and Time Warner invest so much into lobbying to end net neutrality if they weren't planning to maximize profits once they got their way? How on earth can you possibly think that if you give the kids the keys to the Ferrari they're just going to drive the speed limit? I guess I just don't understand why you seem to completely trust them.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby uscbucsfan » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:22 pm

bucfanclw wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:Where did you read that's what they will do? Have any ISP come out and said they will do any of that?

I get bringing up all the worst case scenarios in attempts to get a rise out of people and peak interest, but you are selling bullshit.

Prior to 2015 there wasn't net neutrality, it will be closer to that than what you are talking about. The big change is going to be throttling services like Netflix, Hulu, etc. running on ISP's services for people who aren't paying for their entertainment. This primarily going to come from the large ISPs that are primarily cable companies (Comcast, Spectrum, etc.) If you hate that, cancel your service and go with another company. As previously discussed, there are options everywhere.

Why would Comcast and Time Warner invest so much into lobbying to end net neutrality if they weren't planning to maximize profits once they got their way? How on earth can you possibly think that if you give the kids the keys to the Ferrari they're just going to drive the speed limit? I guess I just don't understand why you seem to completely trust them.


They are still very clearly planning to use bandwidth throttling to quell their competitors using their lines to take their customers. They are being very open about that. They make a majority of their profits on entertainment and they are losing it exponentially.

That said, there is no reason to believe they are going to start charging for everything. It's an extremist view. They could do that right now by simply raising their prices, but as I stated, they don't want to lose customers. People aren't thinking rationally about this. I understand they are a big bad company and everything they do is evil, but also understand they are in the business to make money...not to just **** you over. Often times those appear one in the same, but what some are proposing would destroy their customer base, killing their company.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Zarniwoop » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:30 pm

We really should just defer to the father of the internet in all these things ... Albert Alvin Gore
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby uscbucsfan » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:32 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:We really should just defer to the father of the internet in all these things ... Albert Alvin Gore


He's off hunting manbearpig.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Caradoc » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:29 pm

Phantom Phenom wrote:When net neutrally gets taken out, you'll see small changes at first. Kinda like how video games slowly became full of DLC and microtransactions. Eventually it will be like cable where you pay for packages of websites. Plus Comcast has total control of sites they don't like.

They could even go as far as banning sites they feel are not morally friendly, such as p0rn sites. Or they could just block them all and push their own type of services.


The vote is next month.


LOL that's flat BS.

"net neutrality" is nothing more than a power grab. Believing that kind of **** is how they sold it. But if those problems were going to occur they would have occurred long before NN was even a dream. NN was a "Solution in search of a problem". It was to "protect" you from crimes that weren't occurring. Just another way for politicians to control more things and collect more bribes campaign contributions as they pick the winners and losers rather than the market.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:15 pm

Caradoc wrote:
Phantom Phenom wrote:When net neutrally gets taken out, you'll see small changes at first. Kinda like how video games slowly became full of DLC and microtransactions. Eventually it will be like cable where you pay for packages of websites. Plus Comcast has total control of sites they don't like.

They could even go as far as banning sites they feel are not morally friendly, such as p0rn sites. Or they could just block them all and push their own type of services.


The vote is next month.


LOL that's flat BS.

"net neutrality" is nothing more than a power grab. Believing that kind of **** is how they sold it. But if those problems were going to occur they would have occurred long before NN was even a dream. NN was a "Solution in search of a problem". It was to "protect" you from crimes that weren't occurring. Just another way for politicians to control more things and collect more bribes campaign contributions as they pick the winners and losers rather than the market.

Oh, that's rich. Who sold you on that line of bullshit?

Eliminating net neutrality puts the power of the internet in the hands of the providers.

You want to go to pornhub? Sorry. You have Comcast and Comcast doesn't support pornhub. Go to com-porn-cast for all your adult entertainment.

Want to start your own porn site? Where you gonna buy your domain? Sorry. We're not selling adult domains anymore without a substantial monthly fee.

There's a thousand ways that the ISP's can **** the consumer on this.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby uscbucsfan » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:20 pm

Again, who said that was going to happen? That's an exaggeration in the least. If they did that people would just drop them. If it was all about money, they would simply raise their prices now. You are being ridiculous.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:27 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:Again, who said that was going to happen? That's an exaggeration in the least. If they did that people would just drop them. If it was all about money, they would simply raise their prices now. You are being ridiculous.

They CAN'T.

You deregulate the internet and that's exactly what will happen. This will absolutely stifle competition on the internet.

You're going to get the internet they decide you should get. Amazon has the money, they pay the providers so Amazon is what you get if you want to shop online.

Startups? How much money you got?
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Caradoc » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:27 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Caradoc wrote:
LOL that's flat BS.

"net neutrality" is nothing more than a power grab. Believing that kind of **** is how they sold it. But if those problems were going to occur they would have occurred long before NN was even a dream. NN was a "Solution in search of a problem". It was to "protect" you from crimes that weren't occurring. Just another way for politicians to control more things and collect more bribes campaign contributions as they pick the winners and losers rather than the market.

Oh, that's rich. Who sold you on that line of bullshit?

Eliminating net neutrality puts the power of the internet in the hands of the providers.

You want to go to pornhub? Sorry. You have Comcast and Comcast doesn't support pornhub. Go to com-porn-cast for all your adult entertainment.

Want to start your own porn site? Where you gonna buy your domain? Sorry. We're not selling adult domains anymore without a substantial monthly fee.

There's a thousand ways that the ISP's can **** the consumer on this.


They've been able to do that since Al invented the internet, but they never did. NN supporters are inventing problems that don't exist. Typical fearmongering to justify government overreach.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:29 pm

I cannot believe this isn't a bipartisan issue.

The consumer is going to get screwed.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Caradoc » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:29 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:Again, who said that was going to happen? That's an exaggeration in the least. If they did that people would just drop them. If it was all about money, they would simply raise their prices now. You are being ridiculous.

They CAN'T.

You deregulate the internet and that's exactly what will happen. This will absolutely stifle competition on the internet.

You're going to get the internet they decide you should get. Amazon has the money, they pay the providers so Amazon is what you get if you want to shop online.

Startups? How much money you got?



Do you even understand that the internet was never regulated until this NN Nonsense came about just a few years ago? You don't have a clue what you are talking about. It's not like NN was the norm and now it's changing.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:31 pm

Caradoc wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Oh, that's rich. Who sold you on that line of bullshit?

Eliminating net neutrality puts the power of the internet in the hands of the providers.

You want to go to pornhub? Sorry. You have Comcast and Comcast doesn't support pornhub. Go to com-porn-cast for all your adult entertainment.

Want to start your own porn site? Where you gonna buy your domain? Sorry. We're not selling adult domains anymore without a substantial monthly fee.

There's a thousand ways that the ISP's can **** the consumer on this.


They've been able to do that since Al invented the internet, but they never did. NN supporters are inventing problems that don't exist. Typical fearmongering to justify government overreach.

Show me the overreach.

Yeah, you can't. Unless you're a provider looking to muscle websites for "protection".
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby uscbucsfan » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:32 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:Again, who said that was going to happen? That's an exaggeration in the least. If they did that people would just drop them. If it was all about money, they would simply raise their prices now. You are being ridiculous.

They CAN'T.

You deregulate the internet and that's exactly what will happen. This will absolutely stifle competition on the internet.

You're going to get the internet they decide you should get. Amazon has the money, they pay the providers so Amazon is what you get if you want to shop online.

Startups? How much money you got?

Are you drunk?

They can raise the monthly price right now. They don't to keep customers. Why do you think everything is going to change like this? You think people wouldn't leave the major ISPs in mass if the did?

You sound like a gun owner who thinks any legislation is a path to take their guns. We didn't have net neutrality prior to 2015, this wasn't an issue. There is an alternate isp every single place in the US. Most places have 5 or 6. You don't have to abd won't get bullied by the big ISP. Calm down.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:35 pm

You guys are nuts.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby uscbucsfan » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:37 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:You guys are nuts.

You sound nuts, man. You are usually more rational than this.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Phantom Phenom » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:54 pm

Caradoc wrote:
Phantom Phenom wrote:When net neutrally gets taken out, you'll see small changes at first. Kinda like how video games slowly became full of DLC and microtransactions. Eventually it will be like cable where you pay for packages of websites. Plus Comcast has total control of sites they don't like.

They could even go as far as banning sites they feel are not morally friendly, such as p0rn sites. Or they could just block them all and push their own type of services.


The vote is next month.


LOL that's flat BS.

"net neutrality" is nothing more than a power grab. Believing that kind of **** is how they sold it. But if those problems were going to occur they would have occurred long before NN was even a dream. NN was a "Solution in search of a problem". It was to "protect" you from crimes that weren't occurring. Just another way for politicians to control more things and collect more bribes campaign contributions as they pick the winners and losers rather than the market.



again who sold you that BULLSHIT?

I rest my case
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby uscbucsfan » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:56 pm

Phantom Phenom wrote:
Caradoc wrote:
LOL that's flat BS.

"net neutrality" is nothing more than a power grab. Believing that kind of **** is how they sold it. But if those problems were going to occur they would have occurred long before NN was even a dream. NN was a "Solution in search of a problem". It was to "protect" you from crimes that weren't occurring. Just another way for politicians to control more things and collect more bribes campaign contributions as they pick the winners and losers rather than the market.



again who sold you that BULLSHIT?

I rest my case


Lol.
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby Phantom Phenom » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:57 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:
Phantom Phenom wrote:

again who sold you that BULLSHIT?

I rest my case


Lol.


keep laughing you POS
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Re: Net Nuetrality

Postby uscbucsfan » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:01 pm

Phantom Phenom wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:
Lol.


keep laughing you POS


Did that post play as well as "I rest my case" in your head? I'm nkt attacking you, just your "opinion" on what ending NN means. There's a lot of middle ground between nothing chnaging and the internet being like dlc.
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