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Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Corsair » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:28 pm

Well, that didn't take long.

Judge grants a temporary national stay on Trump's executive order.

This order even applied to green card holders and citizens with dual citizenship.

Imagine you were visiting family overseas after a death in the family and you wanted to return home to your children. This executive order would now allow you to return to your legal home.

This order was signed on national holocaust rememberance day. When our greatest failure of WWII was our failure to allow Jewish refugees into the US.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Corsair » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:30 pm

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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby The Outsider » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:49 pm

Facism. That's what this is turning in to.

The 14 characteristics are:

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.


That list has never been more relevant.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Phantom Phenom » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:59 pm

Yeah just temporary. I'm sure Trump will find a way
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Nano » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:11 pm

This is starting to get a little scary. He's been in office for like a...week, and already half the world dislikes him. At this point, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we were in a new war by the time he left office. And not with a group, but a country.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Wharf Rat » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:53 pm

If it were a "muslim ban", wouldn't countries like Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, and Nigeria (3 of the largest muslim countries) be included?

Corsair wrote:This order was signed on national holocaust rememberance day. When our greatest failure of WWII was our failure to allow Jewish refugees into the US.


You're comparing apples to hand grenades.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Wharf Rat » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:04 am

The Outsider wrote:Facism. That's what this is turning in to.

The 14 characteristics are:

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.


That list has never been more relevant.


Please elaborate on how any of that applies, except for (maybe) a reverence for our flag.

I think it's hilarious how whenever a new president comes into power, the opposing party is certain they're the next Hitler/Stalin. It's adorable.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby deltbucs » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:11 am

Wharf Rat wrote:If it were a "muslim ban", wouldn't countries like Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, and Nigeria (3 of the largest muslim countries) be included?

Corsair wrote:This order was signed on national holocaust rememberance day. When our greatest failure of WWII was our failure to allow Jewish refugees into the US.


You're comparing apples to hand grenades.

Too much money to be made for Trump, his staff, and their donors to include Saudi Arabia.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby deltbucs » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:15 am

Phantom Phenom wrote:Yeah just temporary. I'm sure Trump will find a way

I wonder what Trump supporters think about a guy that they elected because he's not a politician and tells it like it is. They think this guy knows more about ISIS than the generals and he has the best brain, but he still hasn't come up with a plan for better vetting? He hasn't even told us what's wrong with the current vetting process.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby deltbucs » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:18 am

Wharf Rat wrote:
The Outsider wrote:Facism. That's what this is turning in to.



That list has never been more relevant.


Please elaborate on how any of that applies, except for (maybe) a reverence for our flag.

I think it's hilarious how whenever a new president comes into power, the opposing party is certain they're the next Hitler/Stalin. It's adorable.

Do you really not see the difference between Trump and Obama or Bush or Clinton, etc? I don't remember huge marches like this in protest of any of them. This isn't a strictly partisan issue. I know republicans that attended these marches...not to mention TONS of Independents.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Wharf Rat » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:52 am

deltbucs wrote:
Wharf Rat wrote:
Please elaborate on how any of that applies, except for (maybe) a reverence for our flag.

I think it's hilarious how whenever a new president comes into power, the opposing party is certain they're the next Hitler/Stalin. It's adorable.

Do you really not see the difference between Trump and Obama or Bush or Clinton, etc? I don't remember huge marches like this in protest of any of them. This isn't a strictly partisan issue. I know republicans that attended these marches...not to mention TONS of Independents.


I see that Trump isn't a very good communicator, and says things that politicians wouldn't. Beyond that, no. I know that, billionaire socialist, George Soros is funding the groups that are organizing those demonstrations. I know that Soros met with democrat leaders, in a 3 day meeting, to come up with strategies to fight back against, and delegitimize a Trump administration. I know that the mainstream media fed the American public with half truths and blatant bullshit throughout the campaign, and people believed it. I see these demonstrations as the sum of all of those parts.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/d ... ump-231313

I remember reading some stuff written by, I'm assuming, crazy people who were on edge thinking Obama was going to take our guns, institute martial law, and that he had bought guillotines in which to chop our heads off. I compare that to the paranoid rantings that I am now seeing from Corsair, and others.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Four Verticals » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:14 am

The Onion:

"FBI Uncovers Al-Qaeda Plot To Just Sit Back And Enjoy Collapse Of United States"
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Four Verticals » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:18 am

President Trump's freeze on immigration from seven mostly Muslim countries cites the potential threat of terrorism. But here's the twist — it doesn't include any countries from which radicalized Muslims have actually killed Americans in the U.S. since Sept. 11, 2001.

The president's executive action, which he signed Friday at the Pentagon, applies to these countries: Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Iraq and Sudan.

Yet no Muslim extremist from any of these places has carried out a fatal attack in the U.S. in more than two decades.

In contrast, here are the countries of origin of radicalized Muslims who carried out deadly attacks in the U.S., beginning on Sept. 11, 2001: Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, United Arab Emirates, Russia and Pakistan.

The two lists are completely distinct, raising all sorts of questions about the reasoning behind the White House plan.

The 19 terrorists on the hijacked planes used in the Sept. 11 attacks were from four countries not on the new White House list – Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon and the United Arab Emirates.

Since then, radicalized Muslims have carried out a number of deadly attacks in the U.S. The precise count varies among groups that track the terror threat, but most groups cite fewer than 10 lethal attacks and fewer than 100 deaths, including New America, a non-partisan think tank in Washington.

The deadliest single attack was at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando last June, which left 49 dead. The man responsible was Omar Mateen, whose parents were from Afghanistan, though he was born New York. Afghanistan is not on the White House list.

In a few cases, foreign-born nationals have carried out lethal attacks.

They include Tashfeen Malik, who, along with her husband, was responsible for the San Bernardino, Ca., shooting that claimed 14 lives in December 2015. She was born in Pakistan, but spent most of her life in Saudi Arabia until she came to the U.S. in 2014 on a fiancée visa to marry Syed Rizwan Farook. He was born in Chicago, to a family originally from Pakistan. Neither Pakistan nor Saudi Arabia are on the White House list.

Similarly, the Boston Marathon bombing was carried out by two brothers, Dzhokar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who were born and raised in southern Russia, another country not on the White House list.

But Trump's order excludes several predominantly Muslim nations in which Trump now has or has had business interests. (See http://abcnews.go.com/…/inside-trumps-global-busines…/story…) In the United Arab Emirates, Trump has licensing deals in place for two golf-courses in Dubai (after Trump’s election, his partners in the deal told ABC News that the Trump brand had become "stronger, more global"). In Turkey, Trump struck a deal in 2008 with the Dogan Group to license his brand to Trump Towers Istanbul, one with residential and the other with commercial office space. Trump also has had extensive deals in Saudi Arabia.

Enjoy!
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:35 am

Whatever you think about this EO, I personally think it is a waste of time, it is not a Muslim Ban. I mean why isn't Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation, on the list? Corsair knows better; he likes creating fake OPs.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby bucfanclw » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:54 am

Brazen331 wrote:Whatever you think about this EO, I personally think it is a waste of time, it is not a Muslim Ban. I mean why isn't Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation, on the list? Corsair knows better; he likes creating fake OPs.

Because Trump has contracts to build a resort in Bali. Seriously, how hard is it to see that the countries excluded from the ban are ones Trump has a business interest in? We're basically telling the world that if you want to be an ally of the US, you need to let Trump build a golf course.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:23 am

bucfanclw wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:Whatever you think about this EO, I personally think it is a waste of time, it is not a Muslim Ban. I mean why isn't Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation, on the list? Corsair knows better; he likes creating fake OPs.

Because Trump has contracts to build a resort in Bali. Seriously, how hard is it to see that the countries excluded from the ban are ones Trump has a business interest in? We're basically telling the world that if you want to be an ally of the US, you need to let Trump build a golf course.


So every Muslim country that Trump is not building a golf course in, also happen to be the 7 Muslim countries included in the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act, signed into law by the Obama administration in 2015, the exact same countries included in the Trump ban?

Swing and a miss, Clewy. Looks like the Donald is taking pointers from your boy.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby HamBone » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:41 am

bucfanclw wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:Whatever you think about this EO, I personally think it is a waste of time, it is not a Muslim Ban. I mean why isn't Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation, on the list? Corsair knows better; he likes creating fake OPs.

Because Trump has contracts to build a resort in Bali. Seriously, how hard is it to see that the countries excluded from the ban are ones Trump has a business interest in? We're basically telling the world that if you want to be an ally of the US, you need to let Trump build a golf course.


Possible...but the 7 nations banned are Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.

Those "nations" either have governments that are openly hostile to the US or no functiinal governments.

We cannot vet the "refugees" coming from those "nations"
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Ken Carson » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:38 am

bucfanclw wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:Whatever you think about this EO, I personally think it is a waste of time, it is not a Muslim Ban. I mean why isn't Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation, on the list? Corsair knows better; he likes creating fake OPs.

Because Trump has contracts to build a resort in Bali. Seriously, how hard is it to see that the countries excluded from the ban are ones Trump has a business interest in? We're basically telling the world that if you want to be an ally of the US, you need to let Trump build a golf course.


I think the ban is ill-thought and doomed to failure, but the countries are the exact 7 that Congress already made travel tougher from:

DHS remains concerned about the risks posed by the situation in Syria and Iraq, where instability has attracted thousands of foreign fighters, including many from VWP countries. Such individuals could travel to the United States for operational purposes on their own or at the behest of violent extremist groups.

The U.S. Congress shares this concern, and on December 18, 2015, the President signed into law the Consolidated Appropriations Act 2016, which includes the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 (the Act). The Act, among other things, establishes new eligibility requirements for travel under the VWP. These new eligibility requirements do not bar travel to the United States. Instead, a traveler who does not meet the requirements must obtain a visa for travel to the United States, which generally includes an in-person interview at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate.

DHS has updated the ESTA application with additional questions to address the new eligibility requirements under the Act.

What are the new eligibility requirements for VWP travel?

Under the Act, travelers in the following categories are no longer eligible to travel or be admitted to the United States under the VWP:

Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, or countries listed under specified designation lists (currently including Iran and Sudan) at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).
Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).
These restrictions do not apply to VWP travelers whose presence in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen was to perform military service in the armed forces of a program country, or in order to carry out official duties as a full-time employee of the government of a program country. We recommend those who have traveled to the seven countries listed above for military/official purposes bring with them appropriate documentation when traveling through a U.S. port of entry.

The vast majority of VWP-eligible travelers will not be affected by the new Act. New countries may be added to this list at the discretion of the Secretary of Homeland Security.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Jonny » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:09 am

Lol you overreaction idiots are no different from the "They took er jebs!" types during Obama's victories.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:39 am

HamBone wrote:
bucfanclw wrote:Because Trump has contracts to build a resort in Bali. Seriously, how hard is it to see that the countries excluded from the ban are ones Trump has a business interest in? We're basically telling the world that if you want to be an ally of the US, you need to let Trump build a golf course.


Possible...but the 7 nations banned are Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.

Those "nations" either have governments that are openly hostile to the US or no functiinal governments.

We cannot vet the "refugees" coming from those "nations"


Which is why it is fundamentally inaccurate to call it a Muslim ban. When Trump was campaigning, he called it a Muslim ban and we all called him on it. He can't put a religious litmus test on immigration, but he can stop immigration from certain countries, and he can do so easily and constitutionally.

My only problem with this is that it prevents a lot of terps from being able to immigrate to the US after they have completed their time embedded with US troops like they were promised. That was an Obama failing as well.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby beardmcdoug » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:41 am

Lmao the madman specifically cited a 2015 law and 2016 Obama expansion of that law (to include Lydia, Somolia, Lebanon, which expanded on the original Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan as part of the 2015 temp ban) for the list of countries in the ban. Ctrl+F those countries in the Trump ban. Literally just used a list nobody had a problem with limiting Visa's from before. This guy. I'm sorry but this is too damn funny
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby NYBF » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:43 am

Giuliani said Trump told him he wanted to enact a Muslim ban, and needed Rudy's help to make it legal.

*shrug*
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:54 am

beardmcdoug wrote:Lmao the guy cited a 2015 law and 2016 Obama expansion for the list of countries in the ban. Ctrl+F those countries in the Trump ban. Literally just used a list nobody had a problem with limiting Visa's from before. This guy. Too fuckin funny...


I see this as Trump showing deference to the judgements of the administration that proceeded him here. if Corsair is currently loitering about an airport with a picker sign right now, I really wish he would save his energy for when Trump does something a bit more controversial, which we all know, is bound to happen.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby deltbucs » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:07 pm

Wharf Rat wrote:
deltbucs wrote:Do you really not see the difference between Trump and Obama or Bush or Clinton, etc? I don't remember huge marches like this in protest of any of them. This isn't a strictly partisan issue. I know republicans that attended these marches...not to mention TONS of Independents.


I see that Trump isn't a very good communicator, and says things that politicians wouldn't. Beyond that, no.

Even if you, somehow, don't see any difference beyond that, you have to understand why that in itself is a pretty big concern.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Corsair » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:47 pm

Trump: Persecuted Christian refugees will get priority

Yeah, this immigration ban has nothing to do with religion.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby deltbucs » Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:42 pm

Corsair wrote:Trump: Persecuted Christian refugees will get priority

Yeah, this immigration ban has nothing to do with religion.

Is that part of the EO or is it part of a coming bill or what?
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Jonny » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:15 pm

Corsair wrote:Trump: Persecuted Christian refugees will get priority

Yeah, this immigration ban has nothing to do with religion.


Has everything to do with religion and as an atheist I think it is also rational to be selective with who gets the first preference. Islam is the most cancerous ideology there ever was, communism being a close second. It is very likely that the non-Muslims are in more of a danger than Muslims. Also Christians don't often commit mass murders in name of religion. So if there has to be a selection, I'd rather weed out as many Muslims as possible.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby The Outsider » Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:28 pm

Wharf Rat wrote:
The Outsider wrote:Facism. That's what this is turning in to.



That list has never been more relevant.


Please elaborate on how any of that applies, except for (maybe) a reverence for our flag.

I think it's hilarious how whenever a new president comes into power, the opposing party is certain they're the next Hitler/Stalin. It's adorable.


Well, the rampant cronyism and corruption is pretty clear. As is the disdain for intellectuals, the identification of enemies. We already glorify our military, have an obsession with crime and punishment, disdain for recognition of human rights when it suits us, obsess over national security, and protect corporations to a ridiculous degree. Also, the GOP is in power so you can check the religion being intertwined with government.

Of course, I could be over reacting. But my gut screams to me that the current administration is one of the greatest threats our constitutional republic has faced in it's short life.

And let me be perfectly clear, for probably the thousandth time. I was a GOP voter until this election. I switched because I found that the candidate who happened to fit my personal ideologies the best, especially the ones I prioritize, happened to be running as a Democrat, though he really isn't. Then, once Sanders lost the primary I toyed with the idea of voting for Trump, undecided until a few days before the election. I couldn't do it. There is too much about the man that doesn't sit well with me. So I held my nose and voted for Clinton.

I'm not partisan. If a candidate runs on a platform that I agree with and that resonates with me I'll vote for them regardless of party affiliation.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby Ken Carson » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:15 pm

Corsair wrote:Trump: Persecuted Christian refugees will get priority

Yeah, this immigration ban has nothing to do with religion.

Can you post the actual Trump quote related to this? I tried Googling it and only found articles de-crying what he said but not the actual text of what was said.
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Re: Trump's Muslim Ban

Postby uscbucsfan » Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:50 pm

Ken Carson wrote:
Corsair wrote:Trump: Persecuted Christian refugees will get priority

Yeah, this immigration ban has nothing to do with religion.

Can you post the actual Trump quote related to this? I tried Googling it and only found articles de-crying what he said but not the actual text of what was said.


This is the original source as far as I can tell:

DAVID BRODY: “Persecuted Christians, we’ve talked about this, the refugees overseas. The refugee program, or the refugee changes you’re looking to make. As it relates to persecuted Christians, do you see them as kind of a priority here?”

PRESIDENT TRUMP: “Yes.”

DAVID BRODY: “You do?”

PRESIDENT TRUMP: “They’ve been horribly treated. Do you know if you were a Christian in Syria it was impossible, at least very tough to get into the United States? If you were a Muslim you could come in, but if you were a Christian, it was almost impossible and the reason that was so unfair, everybody was persecuted in all fairness, but they were chopping off the heads of everybody but more so the Christians. And I thought it was very, very unfair. So we are going to help them.”
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