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McFan wrote:

deltbucs wrote:Do you Trump supporters still really believe that Mexico is going to pay for the wall or do you now realize that you were conned?

The brighter ones will answer "B".

His whole damn campaign was a used car sales pitch. They ignored the bald tires, didn't notice there was no steering wheel, fluids leaking all over the place and the damn idiots bought the shit-ass car anyway...

RedLeader wrote:We were all conned, you dopes! Unless you believe Trump and Hillary were really the best candidates there was to choose from.

Apparently Delt and Mcfan are still biting down hard on this one... Lol

deltbucs wrote:

McFan wrote:
The brighter ones will answer "B".

His whole damn campaign was a used car sales pitch. They ignored the bald tires, didn't notice there was no steering wheel, fluids leaking all over the place and the damn idiots bought the shit-ass car anyway...

That's what I've been saying the whole time. It's like when someone goes to a used car dealership, pays 25% over fair market value, and walks away thinking they got a great deal.

Brazen331 wrote:

deltbucs wrote:That's what I've been saying the whole time. It's like when someone goes to a used car dealership, pays 25% over fair market value, and walks away thinking they got a great deal.

It's like we were conned or something.

McFan wrote:

NYBF wrote:
"McFan" is a weird name for a Mexican.

Mantener esto en secreto entre me y usted por favor

DreadNaught wrote:Anyone that doesn't think like delt got conned.

The 2016 election had less to do with Trump himself than people are making out imo. It was a groundswell rejection of the status quo. The DNC was able to quell that within there own party by sabotaging Bernie. But couldn't do the same in the general.

Trump was the byproduct of that rejection.

deltbucs wrote:

DreadNaught wrote:Anyone that doesn't think like delt got conned.

The 2016 election had less to do with Trump himself than people are making out imo. It was a groundswell rejection of the status quo. The DNC was able to quell that within there own party by sabotaging Bernie. But couldn't do the same in the general.

Trump was the byproduct of that rejection.

But some people actually believe(d) that Trump is better/different than Obama or Bush or Clinton. Some people believe that Trump cares about the average American. It should be quite obvious by now that this isn't the case.

beardmcdoug wrote:

deltbucs wrote:But some people actually believe(d) that Trump is better/different than Obama or Bush or Clinton. Some people believe that Trump cares about the average American. It should be quite obvious by now that this isn't the case.

I still don't (now, this could change any day now), at the present moment, think Trump is on the same team as the neocon / true global elite - which is what sets him apart from Bush/Clinton

DreadNaught wrote:Anyone that doesn't think like delt got conned.

The 2016 election had less to do with Trump himself than people are making out imo. It was a groundswell rejection of the status quo. The DNC was able to quell that within there own party by sabotaging Bernie. But couldn't do the same in the general.

Trump was the byproduct of that rejection.

mightyleemoon wrote:Anyone who thought they were giving the finger to status quo got conned.

bucfanclw wrote:We should line the wall with statues of Pence. Here he is looking across the DMZ in South Korea to show the DPRK his resolve. I think that will get the message across.

Wharf Rat wrote:I have an honest question. Hillary Clinton once said that her dream is open borders, do you liberals share the same dream? If so, why do you think it is the ideal approach at this current time in history?

Mountaineer Buc wrote:

Wharf Rat wrote:I have an honest question. Hillary Clinton once said that her dream is open borders, do you liberals share the same dream? If so, why do you think it is the ideal approach at this current time in history?

Are you referring to Capital, Energy, or People?

Wharf Rat wrote:

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Are you referring to Capital, Energy, or People?

People

Mountaineer Buc wrote:

Wharf Rat wrote:
People

Speaking for myself, no. I do not want open borders for people. I do, however, would like to see an immigration policy that makes sense. Militarizing the border does not make sense. A great big wall does not make sense.

Nationwide E-Verify makes sense. Cracking down on people who hire illegals and create a slave class in this country makes sense.

Mountaineer Buc wrote:

Wharf Rat wrote:
People

Speaking for myself, no. I do not want open borders for people. I do, however, would like to see an immigration policy that makes sense. Militarizing the border does not make sense. A great big wall does not make sense.

Nationwide E-Verify makes sense. Cracking down on people who hire illegals and create a slave class in this country makes sense.

Buc2 wrote:

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Speaking for myself, no. I do not want open borders for people. I do, however, would like to see an immigration policy that makes sense. Militarizing the border does not make sense. A great big wall does not make sense.

Nationwide E-Verify makes sense. Cracking down on people who hire illegals and create a slave class in this country makes sense.

I agree. A wall has to be the stupidest solution to illegal immigration I've ever heard of. I've said that from the beginning. The wall certainly wasn't one of the reasons I voted for Trump. I was actually hoping it was just campaign rhetoric. Of course, so far, none of the reasons I voted for him have come to fruition or seem to be in the works. If that remains the case, then it's back to the drawing board in 2020 for me. I am thankful for one thing though...that we're not stuck with Billary for 4-8 years. To be fair, Trump still has a chance to change my mind, but it's not looking good to this point and I won't hold my breath. I've now given the D.C. Outsider a shot and I will never vote for a Liberal/Fascist/Progressive ticket. So that leaves me with the Libertarian Party, my preferred Party, even though they don't stand a snowball's chance in Hell of winning a national election in my lifetime. I might consider Rand Paul if he were to ever win the Repub nomination (he won't).

Buc2 wrote:

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Speaking for myself, no. I do not want open borders for people. I do, however, would like to see an immigration policy that makes sense. Militarizing the border does not make sense. A great big wall does not make sense.

Nationwide E-Verify makes sense. Cracking down on people who hire illegals and create a slave class in this country makes sense.

I agree. A wall has to be the stupidest solution to illegal immigration I've ever heard of. I've said that from the beginning. The wall certainly wasn't one of the reasons I voted for Trump. I was actually hoping it was just campaign rhetoric. Of course, so far, none of the reasons I voted for him have come to fruition or seem to be in the works. If that remains the case, then it's back to the drawing board in 2020 for me. I am thankful for one thing though...that we're not stuck with Billary for 4-8 years. To be fair, Trump still has a chance to change my mind, but it's not looking good to this point and I won't hold my breath. I've now given the D.C. Outsider a shot and I will never vote for a Liberal/Fascist/Progressive ticket. So that leaves me with the Libertarian Party, my preferred Party, even though they don't stand a snowball's chance in Hell of winning a national election in my lifetime. I might consider Rand Paul if he were to ever win the Repub nomination (he won't).

Buc2 wrote:

Buc2 wrote:I agree. A wall has to be the stupidest solution to illegal immigration I've ever heard of. I've said that from the beginning. The wall certainly wasn't one of the reasons I voted for Trump. I was actually hoping it was just campaign rhetoric. Of course, so far, none of the reasons I voted for him have come to fruition or seem to be in the works. If that remains the case, then it's back to the drawing board in 2020 for me. I am thankful for one thing though...that we're not stuck with Billary for 4-8 years. To be fair, Trump still has a chance to change my mind, but it's not looking good to this point and I won't hold my breath. I've now given the D.C. Outsider a shot and I will never vote for a Liberal/Fascist/Progressive ticket. So that leaves me with the Libertarian Party, my preferred Party, even though they don't stand a snowball's chance in Hell of winning a national election in my lifetime. I might consider Rand Paul if he were to ever win the Repub nomination (he won't).

Looks like I may have been a little rash in my thoughts that Trump has done nothing I like so far. I think the reason for that is probably because of being inundated with negativity from the liberal MSM, left-wing pols as well as some right-wing pols...all of whom seem to have something to lose by not having their "establishment" guy in the WH.

Some things he's done that I was reminded of...

1. Appointment of a SCOTUS that knows his role is to interpret laws not make laws {I agree with this choice.}
2. Border Security {When I read how people closest to the problem actually like the idea of a wall, I have a harder time saying no.}
3. Repeal regulations {Like, but don't go too far.}
4. Defeat ISIS {I'd rather get out of the region altogether but I knew that wasn't going to happen. Since we're staying, I will say I like Trump's approach more than Obama's...at least so far.}
5. Tax reform {Like}
6. Repeal Obamacare {Like. I can't say it's Trump's fault Congress sucked an egg on this. Besides, it took Obama 14 months to get Obamacare implemented, so I shouldn't have expected Trump to get it repealed/replaced in less than a 100 days.}
7. Reel in the EPA {Reel in, yes. Eliminate, no.}

As I said, Trump is less than 100 days in, so it's way too soon to judge his performance. I gave Obama a lot more time than that. He didn't totally lose me until Obamacare was rammed down our throats. I've just got to stop listening to all the 24/7 media negativity.

mightyleemoon wrote:There's way too much to make fun of in that post...but...tax reform? He's pushing his corporate tax cut right now. The one that's cut lower than the middle class. He thinks corporations should pay less in tax than a struggling middle class. Not exactly sure what's to like about that.

NYBF wrote:

mightyleemoon wrote:There's way too much to make fun of in that post...but...tax reform? He's pushing his corporate tax cut right now. The one that's cut lower than the middle class. He thinks corporations should pay less in tax than a struggling middle class. Not exactly sure what's to like about that.

You never heard of Buc2 Corp?

mightyleemoon wrote:

NYBF wrote:
You never heard of Buc2 Corp?

Is that a subsidiary of Taco Corp?