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Trump's Wall

Postby Corsair » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:47 pm

I thought we should devote a thread to this idea, now that Trump has attempted to get the ball rolling.

This way the information and discussion around this idea can be found easily and debated more efficiently.

Where we stand now:

Trump signed a piece of paper telling people to build his wall. Congress is trying to figure out if they want to fund the wall. Peña Nieto has told Trump that Mexico won't pay for the wall, so Trump floated the idea of 20% tariffs which has been rescinded because of push back from Congress.

So here we are, paying for it ourselves currently. The great negotiator hasn't negotiated Mexico into paying for anything, yet.

While states like California intend to slow or stop construction while the courts go through the motions, we might not see much of a wall in the next few years.

I'll continue to add anything I find on the subject here to keep the discussion going. Hopefully it's a little easier to follow now that we have it in the same place.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Brazen331 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:00 am

Wall or no wall, the important point, as far as this thread goes, is that someone finally did the right thing and basically told Mexico to get fucked. This country has had zero respect for the sovereignty of our nation. They have treated us as nothing more than a dumping ground for their poverty problem for decades.

Look at Cuba, a country in many ways that is even poorer. With the exception of the Mariel Boat Lift which was essentially Castro saying **** you to us, this government does not continuously try to smuggle its citizens into other nations like the Mexican government does. I think they have a sense of shame about their citizens wanting to emigrate due to lack of jobs and poverty. Not Mexico, they are shameless in this regard.

All this talk about Mexico refusing to share intelligence with us and check vehicles crossing the border for drugs because of Trump is absurd. Like they do that now. They might actually find a Mexican they are trying to smuggle in to get a remittance if they did that. Look at how good Mexico is at enforcing their southern border. They will intercept that Guatamalan and send him right back even though he has no intention of staying in Mexico. But up north they can't stop ****, unless it's someone from Belize trying to cross the border. They will catch him for sure and send his ass right back where he came from. So yeah, until the Mexican government changes its behavior, **** Mexico.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Pirate Life » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:36 am

Mexico's southern border enforcement has been increased in recent years due to help from the US, it's not that Mexico is trying to enforce their southern border at the expense of their border with us. The US started to ramp up aid to Mexico around 2005 for the southern border due to the spike in immigrants from Central/South America - especially unaccompanied minors - coming to the US through Mexico in addition to continuing efforts to stop the flow of drugs and hamper organized crime in the region. Those efforts were ramped up even more around 2010ish.

Here's a good write up on the situation: https://www.wola.org/files/mxgt/report/
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:37 am

I think we should call it Wally McWallface.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby RedLeader » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:51 am

This wall makes no sense. There has to be another angle here for Trump.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Four Verticals » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:38 am

RedLeader wrote:This wall makes no sense. There has to be another angle here for Trump.


Possibly distraction.

In addition, Donald Trump has always been about one thing....Donald Trump and in particular the Trump brand. He's always been a promoter of himself and his brand first and there is nothing which has occurred during the election and since he took office which has changed my mind from reaching the conclusion that his presidency is first about branding...as absurd as that may sound. He still appears to be willing to say or do whatever it is that will get the most reaction out of the public. I don't think there is a general overall strategy with him. There may be a Republican strategy but even they will have trouble keeping him from doing or saying anything that will go against the Republican moves in terms of timing, implementation, etc. because he wants more to cause a reaction over virtually anything else. His administration will be a circus until it ends whether anything good comes out of it or not.

He's looking for the Donald J. Trump Wall in regards to the specific issue of the wall.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby RedLeader » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:15 pm

I could see that.

For me, the border is not about Mexicans... at all. There's better ways to resolve that.

For me, securing the border is about drugs - over 90% of which comes into our country via that border, weapons, children, Jihadists, and vermin in general... Mostly being smuggled through our careless neighbors from the south.

But a wall makes absolutely no sense unless they plan to man it with posts and towers, and actively maintain a vigilant and reactive border. Otherwise, a useless attempt at a monument that wouldn't even be completed by the time the next admin came in and knocked it down on world-wide news television.. during prime-time.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Swashy » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:29 pm

lmfao so American taxpayers are gonna foot the bill for this but somehow we can take Trump's word that Mexico is gonna pay us back. Sound logic, Mr. President. Well ****ing done. Yes indeed folks it'll be a MUCH better use of our money to build a wall as opposed to putting money into something like healthcare.

But hey... we got ours and we ain't done gotta share **** with nobody right? 'MURICA!
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Brazen331 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:30 pm

Swashy wrote:lmfao so American taxpayers are gonna foot the bill for this but somehow we can take Trump's word that Mexico is gonna pay us back. Sound logic, Mr. President. Well ****ing done. Yes indeed folks it'll be a MUCH better use of our money to build a wall as opposed to putting money into something like healthcare.

But hey... we got ours and we ain't done gotta share **** with nobody right? 'MURICA!


I know, trying to secure a border is such an extreme act of selfishness. We are hardly sharing enough of our **** with the rest of the world and need to redouble our efforts.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Go_Bucs! » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:56 am

I guess the point of entries lines are too long so allow them to bypass by digging , climbing, sneaking around correct?

Screw that! Build that wall, make it like the DMZ in Korea, any of you terds ever been there? I have
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby mightyleemoon » Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:14 am

RedLeader wrote:But a wall makes absolutely no sense unless they plan to man it with posts and towers, and actively maintain a vigilant and reactive border. Otherwise, a useless attempt at a monument that wouldn't even be completed by the time the next admin came in and knocked it down on world-wide news television.. during prime-time.


This is exactly how I see it. I read a thing that estimated it would take 5 to 10 years to finish the wall. If Trump is a one term pony, then the wall might not even be halfway complete when the next guy comes in and orders construction to stop within the first week. Then we have this half finished wall we paid billions for.

The whole thing just reeks of waste.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:54 am

The wall is an excellent execution of a bad idea.

President Trump shook the planet when he shit-canned the TPP and rightfully so. Lots of politicians talk tough about trade policy, but when is the last time anybody did anything about it? So Trump had momentum, and he shifted that Momentum to Mexico.

When he suggested the 20% tariff, I said it was brilliant. And it was, and then they walked that back for reasons I don't understand. Sure, we import all sorts of stuff from Mexico and those things would increase in price as importers try to pass on the cost, but lost in all of this is the fact that Mexico (and China for that matter) need us more than we need them. We are the world's largest consumer market in terms of money and it looked to me that President Trump was leveraging that.

But here is where he is ****ing up.

Instead of using that leverage to bring Mexico to the negotiating table to rework NAFTA, he is using it to get a wall built. A wall. A stupid, stupid wall.

Illegal immigrant labor can be largely negated with E-verify and turning ICE loose on the agricultural and constructions sectors who pay illegals with personal checks that get cashed by laundering them at the local convenience store. Checks that MUST pass through the Federal Reserve. For a fraction of the cost, this government can make it nearly impossible for anyone to work under the table. A practice that suppresses wages. The fastest way to get illegals out of the country is to make it not worthwhile to be here in the first place. And so long as they are here, the things that I want like Universal Healthcare are impractical due to the cost they already put on our healthcare system.

Everybody likes to say that immigrants do the jobs that Americans don't want to do. Would you like to know why they won't do it? Because it doesn't pay worth a ****. I can assure you that the guys driving the **** sucking trucks to drain your septic tank aren't doing it because they like the smell of your poo. Nevertheless, a kid in Colorado can't get a job at a meat packing plant where he could maybe get union wages and some good benefits because illegals work there. Instead his options get limited to retail, hospitality, and government.

But I digress...

The President might be using the wall as a red herring to get Mexico to agree to a better trade policy. If true, it's shrewd but unnecessary. Like I said, they need us more than we need them. Bringing them to the negotiating table did not require getting every white guy over 65 not named Noam Chomsky to chant "Build that wall!" every day for 18 months.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Buc2 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:01 pm

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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:28 pm

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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Buc2 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:52 pm

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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Corsair » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:19 am

What Geology Has to Say About Building a 1,000-Mile Border Wall
Compared to erecting a marble palace or high-steepled church, a wall may seem relatively straightforward—it isn’t

Last month, President Donald Trump took steps to make good on a campaign promise to turn the United State’s existing border fence into a "big, beautiful" wall. On January 25, the White House issued an Executive Order announcing the creation of a “secure, contiguous, and impassable physical barrier … to prevent illegal immigration, drug and human trafficking, and acts of terrorism.” Now the U.S. Customs and Border Protection—the office tasked with enforcing border regulations—is scrambling to make that order a concrete reality.

Today’s fence consists of roughly 650 miles of disparate segments, made out of a combination of steel posts and rails, metal sheeting, chain link, concrete vehicle barriers and wire mesh. To replace that fence with what has been described as a 20- to 50-foot concrete structure that will traverse 1,000 of the some 2,000 miles of the U.S.’s border with Mexico will be no easy feat. Besides dealing with a proposed Mexican lawsuit and navigating the private ownership of much of Texas’ lands, there is another concern few have addressed in detail: geology.

Compared to building a marble palace or high-steepled church, erecting a wall may seem relatively straightforward. It isn’t. (Just ask the Chinese, whose Great Wall took 2,000 years to build and failed to keep out invaders.) Though most wall designs are fairly simple, builders must adapt to a wide range of terrains, explains Gary Clendenin, a senior hydrogeologist at ICF International. The southern U.S. border alone contains desert, wetlands, grasslands, rivers, mountains and forests—all of which create vastly different problems for builders.

“The length of this thing presents challenges that just aren’t typically undertaken in a construction project,” says Clendenin.

Can these hurdles be overcome? Smithsonian.com asked two scientists, a geophysicist and a hydrogeologist, which geologic factors the wall’s builders should take into account first if they are to execute this ambitious project.

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Some 650 miles of disparate segments of fence stand along the almost 2,000-mile border between the U.S. and Mexico. Many segments, like the one pictured above, still allow some communication across the border.

Surveying the Situation

The Tower of Pisa was never meant to lean. Built between 1173 and 1370, the off-kilter structure was positioned atop roughly 30 feet of fine river sediments underlain by a layer of ancient marine clay. But as builders assembled the tons of marble, the river sediments didn’t compact evenly. So by 1178, when they had finished work on the third story, the tower had already acquired its characteristic tilt.

The Italian government has since spent millions of dollars to make sure this beloved landmark doesn't topple over. Such structural failures serve as a reminder that, while our ancestors did manage to successfully erect many impressive feats, “they don’t necessarily stay upright,” in the words of field geophysicist Mika McKinnon. To circumvent such problems today, modern builders have added a crucial step to the construction process: surveying. Though time-consuming, this step is critical to ensure that the resulting structure can remain standing on terra firma for years to come.

Before a single brick is laid, teams of scientists assemble on scene to investigate a litany of details, from bedrock depth to soil chemistry. In the case of the border wall, they would have to traverse the entire length of the proposed path, working in segments to evaluate the region, collect data, develop plans. (This necessity makes the process of erecting walls—especially ones spanning thousands of miles—more challenging than building, say, a 95-story skyscraper.)

“Quite frankly, that would take years to do,” says Clendenin, who specializes in linear projects like railways and roads. McKinnon agrees. One project she worked on, a three-mile stretch of pipeline, is now on year five of field surveys.

Yet Trump’s order appears to allow a mere six months for all surveying and planning efforts. Within its long list of required steps, his executive order states:

“Produce a comprehensive study of the security of the southern border, to be completed within 180 days of this order, that shall include the current state of southern border security, all geophysical and topographical aspects of the southern border, the availability of Federal and State resources necessary to achieve complete operational control of the southern border, and a strategy to obtain and maintain complete operational control of the southern border.”

When contacted by Smithsonian.com, the Customs and Border Protection agency declined to comment on the current timeline for the wall, saying in an email that "it would be speculative to address the questions that you're asking at this point.” But according to scientists Smithsonian.com spoke to, it isn’t going up anytime soon.



Getting to Bedrock

The prehistoric city of Petra stands as a prime example of ancient geologic foresight. Around the 4th century BC, Petra’s inhabitants carved the basis for this once-bustling trading city directly into the rugged pink and tan sandstone cliffs between the Red Sea and the Dead sea. Though winds and rain threatened to erode the structure top down, its firm rooting in bedrock—the solid rock that lies beneath the earth’s loose layers—has kept this structure standing tall for thousands of years.

Such grounding in bedrock is a key feature when building a megastructure, says McKinnon. For something as extensive as a 1,000-mile wall that stands upwards of 20 feet tall, builders will need to anchor the whole thing beneath the surface to the underlying rock if they want it to stay upright.

The problem is, getting to bedrock can be a doozy. Great swaths of the border feature a hefty layer of loose sediments—dirt, soils, sand—laying atop the bedrock. In some regions the bedrock is hundreds if not thousands of feet down. “Some places the bedrock will be too deep—you'll never be able to reach the bedrock in an affordable fashion,” says McKinnon.

“That's okay if you want to [build] a tiny house because you just have it floating on its foundation,” she adds.

But if you’re building a megastructure, “you have a problem,” she says.

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Border wall in the Dunes

The border fence that runs through the Algodones Sand Dunes in California is of special construction to accommodate the ever-changing dune environment. The narrow, 15-foot-tall posts "float" above the sand and can be moved vertically as the dunes shift. (United States Border Patrol, Department of Homeland Security)
That’s not to say that building on sand is impossible. But to safely erect such structures, geophysicists today conduct extensive seismic surveys to image what lies beneath. To create these pictures, they install rows of spike-like geophones, which are 3D microphones that detect minute vibrations of the ground, converting them into an electric signal. Then they make a large noise, often by triggering an explosion or using a heavy weight to thump the ground. The geophones record the scattering and reflection of vibrations to image underground structures, and tease out problems that may lay under the surface.

McKinnon experienced one of these problems firsthand, during the construction of a hydroelectric dam that was meant to be built across a valley that spanned about a mile. The team did all the proper surveys of the region, and discovered that beneath their riverbed lay a second channel buried in dirt. “If we hadn't found it and we tried to build our dam across, then the water would have just eroded that old channel underneath and we would have had a river under our dam,” she says.

There are two options for overcoming such problems with sediment: compact the sediment and add a deeper foundation. For a wall roughly 20 feet tall, the foundation should extend six to eight feet beneath the surface, Clendenin says. All of these steps are expensive and time-consuming. But skimp on any of them, and "you get your Leaning-Tower-of-Pisa situation," says McKinnon.

Of course, many modern regions don’t have the economic resources to do such surveys and construction of deep foundations. The cities of Campania, Italy, are built atop loose sediments that are prone to sliding—a situation worsened by local clearcutting of the vegetation and unregulated construction that commonly lacks adequate foundations. These factors leave them vulnerable to the whims of their region’s geology: In 1998, when a mudslide rippled through the city, the houses crumpled under the weight and movement of the sludge, leaving at least 95 dead.

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Dirt Drama

“Something there is that doesn't love a wall / That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,” begins Robert Frost’s poem "Mending Wall." Frost may not have been a geological surveyor, but he got one thing right: When it comes to building walls, soil swelling is a major headache. That’s why, after surveyors finish assessing the kind of rock and earth they’ll be building over, they start studying the dirt.

Sediments, particularly in clay-rich materials, can take on water, swelling like a sponge in a bowl of water. The resulting cycles of swelling and shrinking during wet and dry periods can crack the very foundation of structures. And these types of soils are common in many states where the border wall will be built, including Texas and parts of New Mexico. In fact, about half of American homes are built on soils that expand significantly, and nearly half of those suffer damage yearly because of the soil, according to the American Society of Civil Engineers.

Dirt can also eat up the wall’s support system. Soils that are naturally acidic or have high chloride levels can rapidly degrade iron-rich metals, says McKinnon. These soils could “corrode any, say, nice big metal rebar that you're putting in there to stabilize your foundation,” she says. Other soils have a high amount of sulfates, a compound found in the common mineral gypsum that breaks down both metals and concrete. Sulfate-rich soils are common in what’s known as the Trans-Pecos soils along the border in the southwestern arm of Texas.

“You're going to encounter hundreds, if not thousands, of different types of soils along [such a lengthy] linear pathway,” says Clendenin. (In fact, there are over 1,300 kinds of soil in Texas alone.) And many of those soils aren’t going to be the right type to build on top of. At that point, would-be wall-builders have two options: Spend more time and money excavating the existing soils and replacing them with better dirt—or avoid the region altogether.

One thing they can’t always avoid, though, are regions at risk of earthquakes and floods. Rivers run along a sizeable portion of the U.S.-Mexico border, which can create a very real danger of flood. Building adjacent to rivers can also present unexpected legal issues: A 1970 treaty necessitates that the fence be set back from the Rio Grande river, which delineates the Texas-Mexico border. Because of this, the current fence crosscuts Texas landowner’s property and has gaps to allow landowners to pass.

Earthquakes are also relatively common in the western U.S. Depending on the build, some of these tremblors could cause cracks or breaks in the wall, says McKinnon. One example is the magnitude 7.2 quake that struck in 2010 near the California-Mexico Border, according to Austin Elliott, a postdoctoral student at the University of Oxford whose research is focused on the history of earthquakes. “If there had been a wall at El Centinela [a mountain in northern Mexico] it would have been offset,” Elliott writes on Twitter.



Even if all the proper surveys are completed and the boxes checked, success isn’t guaranteed. “There are just so many things that have to be done before you even shovel out the first scoop of dirt,” says Clendenin.

Despite all of our modern surveying tools and careful planning, the earth will still surprise you, adds McKinnon. “This part that you thought was boring and simple and easy to predict is actually totally complicated,” she says. “Look at any major excavation for a subway system, any major bridge construction, any large tower complex; all of them had intense surveys beforehand, extensive design phases, and still had to modify while building.”

After the announcement of Trump’s Executive Order, McKinnon took to Twitter to leave a foreboding reminder of the consequences of underestimating the Earth. “Earth doesn’t forgive sloppy,” she wrote. She added in an interview: “Ignore geology at your peril.”




Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... QDGb6ve.99
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Ken Carson » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:48 am

That swipe at the Great Wall of China was unnecessary.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby mightyleemoon » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:53 am

Mongolia paid for it.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Buc2 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:01 am

Is there a tl,dr version?
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby bucfanclw » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:37 am

Buc2 wrote:Is there a tl,dr version?

Thanks to the unique geography of the area, there are many challenges (like shifting dunes that would swallow a stationary wall) that would make a wall more costly or outright implausible. I, personally, can't wait to see this disaster unfold.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby RedLeader » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:03 am

bucfanclw wrote:
Buc2 wrote:Is there a tl,dr version?

Thanks to the unique geography of the area, there are many challenges (like shifting dunes that would swallow a stationary wall) that would make a wall more costly or outright implausible. I, personally, can't wait to see this disaster unfold.


Haha... Why would you be so excited about a disaster unfolding? Lol. That almost read like a Vladimir tweet.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:10 am

bucfanclw wrote:
Buc2 wrote:Is there a tl,dr version?

Thanks to the unique geography of the area, there are many challenges (like shifting dunes that would swallow a stationary wall) that would make a wall more costly or outright implausible. I, personally, can't wait to see this disaster unfold.

I just assume not build the damned thing to begin with.

Take the $15 Billion and cut a $152,000 check to every public school in the country.

Take the $15 Billion and cut a $45.95 check to every man woman and child in the country.

Take the $15 Billion and increase the VA budget by 8%

Take the $15 Billion and give every homeless vet a safe place to live and a stipend and use the other $14.9 Billion on something else.

Take the $15 Billion and cut a check for $298 to every senior citizen receiving Social Security since they just got shafted out of a cost of living adjustment.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby bucfanclw » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:12 am

RedLeader wrote:
bucfanclw wrote:Thanks to the unique geography of the area, there are many challenges (like shifting dunes that would swallow a stationary wall) that would make a wall more costly or outright implausible. I, personally, can't wait to see this disaster unfold.


Haha... Why would you be so excited about a disaster unfolding? Lol. That almost read like a Vladimir tweet.

Trump is president. He won. I've accepted it and just want to sit back and watch this all unfold. America will survive regardless so I will just find humor in his ego-maniacal pursuit for a monument.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby bucfanclw » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:14 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
bucfanclw wrote:Thanks to the unique geography of the area, there are many challenges (like shifting dunes that would swallow a stationary wall) that would make a wall more costly or outright implausible. I, personally, can't wait to see this disaster unfold.

I just assume not build the damned thing to begin with.

Take the $15 Billion and cut a $152,000 check to every public school in the country.

Take the $15 Billion and cut a $45.95 check to every man woman and child in the country.

Take the $15 Billion and increase the VA budget by 8%

Take the $15 Billion and give every homeless vet a safe place to live and a stipend and use the other $14.9 Billion on something else.

Take the $15 Billion and cut a check for $298 to every senior citizen receiving Social Security since they just got shafted out of a cost of living adjustment.

Your crazy rant just got the wall 5 feet higher.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby NYBF » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:18 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
bucfanclw wrote:Thanks to the unique geography of the area, there are many challenges (like shifting dunes that would swallow a stationary wall) that would make a wall more costly or outright implausible. I, personally, can't wait to see this disaster unfold.

I just assume not build the damned thing to begin with.

Take the $15 Billion and cut a $152,000 check to every public school in the country.

Take the $15 Billion and cut a $45.95 check to every man woman and child in the country.

Take the $15 Billion and increase the VA budget by 8%

Take the $15 Billion and give every homeless vet a safe place to live and a stipend and use the other $14.9 Billion on something else.

Take the $15 Billion and cut a check for $298 to every senior citizen receiving Social Security since they just got shafted out of a cost of living adjustment.


You could probably do all these things since there's no way in hell it comes close to budget. And then when Mexico pays us back, *BOOM*, budget surplus.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:18 am

Our Wall!
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:20 am

LOL yall act like there is any blood in your turnip.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Corsair » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:20 am

If Donald went to DHS/Border Control and told them he was going to give them $15B and told them they could do anything they wanted to do with it to improve border security do you think they would really spend it on a wall?
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Buc2 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:28 am

I never thought it would be built to begin with. I still don't think it will be. Well...I still hope it won't be anyway. I believe more needs to be done to protect our borders, but I don't see how a wall would accomplish the goal of tighter southern border security. Put that wall money into technology and hiring more border patrol agents (more jobs would be an added bonus). Just because I voted for Trump doesn't mean I automatically like all his ideas.
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Re: Trump's Wall

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:20 pm

Buc2 wrote:I never thought it would be built to begin with. I still don't think it will be. Well...I still hope it won't be anyway. I believe more needs to be done to protect our borders, but I don't see how a wall would accomplish the goal of tighter southern border security. Put that wall money into technology and hiring more border patrol agents (more jobs would be an added bonus). Just because I voted for Trump doesn't mean I automatically like all his ideas.

If the wall is a red herring, he is overselling it.
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