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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Babeinbucland » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:59 pm

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Wow that meme describes trump supporters just perfectly. Well done!!!
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:04 pm

RedLeader wrote:I think we're all starting to see why Corsair may have abandoned this thread altogether... lol

The realization that he's not going to change anyone's mind?
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby RedLeader » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:08 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
RedLeader wrote:I think we're all starting to see why Corsair may have abandoned this thread altogether... lol

The realization that he's not going to change anyone's mind without any evidence?


Indeed.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Commander Bubbles » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:50 am

BIBL is the liberal Alex Jones.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Kress » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:26 am

Wharf Rat wrote:BIBL is the liberal Alex Jones.



Do you ever look around, wonder why everyone disagrees with you, and the have that realization? She hasn't yet
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:43 am

Wharf Rat wrote:BIBL is the liberal Alex Jones.


Don't you dare insult Alex Jones like that!!!
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Commander Bubbles » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:45 am

Kress wrote:
Wharf Rat wrote:BIBL is the liberal Alex Jones.



Do you ever look around, wonder why everyone disagrees with you, and the have that realization? She hasn't yet


It happens, to me, more than I care to admit, lol.


DreadNaught wrote:
Don't you dare insult Alex Jones like that!!!


LMAO, she’s not far off though. If she were to incorporate some black helicopters, some FEMA camps, and FEMA coffins and she’d be onto something.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:01 am

Babeinbucland wrote:
RedLeader wrote:Image

Wow that meme describes trump supporters just perfectly. Well done!!!


Self-awareness is not your strong suit.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby The Outsider » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:20 am

Came for the BiBL meltdown, stayed for the holocaust denial. Stay golden BucZone.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby The Outsider » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:21 am

Wharf Rat wrote:
Kress wrote:

Do you ever look around, wonder why everyone disagrees with you, and the have that realization? She hasn't yet


It happens, to me, more than I care to admit, lol.


DreadNaught wrote:
Don't you dare insult Alex Jones like that!!!


LMAO, she’s not far off though. If she were to incorporate some black helicopters, some FEMA camps, and FEMA coffins and she’d be onto something.



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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:30 am

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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:38 am

That dude would fit right in here
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Babeinbucland » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:23 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
Babeinbucland wrote:Wow that meme describes trump supporters just perfectly. Well done!!!


Self-awareness is not your strong suit.


Lol I guess I shouldn’t have expected y’all to actually understand what I did there. Yep sorry for the overestimation.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:24 pm

Babeinbucland wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:What you wrote were generalities, not facts. Of course there are some far right nutjobs that think Trump walks on water. That those people exist is a fact. When you use that fridge group's existence to paint 45% of the county with a single brush, you look like a raving lunatic to everyone not on your far end of the fringe.

And the reason I 'call you out' is because liberals like you give liberals like me a bad name. You think anyone to the right of you on any issue is an enemy. Our party won't do a damn meaningful thing with you over there alienating moderates and conservative leaning Dems. That you can't or won't understand this reality is generally disheartening.

That you cannot grasp the actual facts of what I wrote is not only disturbing but disappointing. It is those like you who were instrumental in putting this dangerous POS in office. Trump’s supporters cannot be a fringe group and have elected himat the same time. Those two numbers don’t add up. You are not anywhere close to a liberal. YOU are the embarrassment to the party beciase you don’t have the guts to speak loudly about the insanity of this administration. You are the very definition of a DINO and THAT is why I call YOU out :roll:


I think this is a relevant video from a classical liberal, Dave Rubin. Folks like Ken and BMD who have a classical liberal ideology (imo) are feeling left behind by their team b/c of the identitarians that make up the regressive left have moved the party so far that these classic liberals are being called 'conservative' for trying to hold true/conserve their ideals.

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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Babeinbucland » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:26 pm

The Outsider wrote:Came for the BiBL meltdown, stayed for the holocaust denial. Stay golden BucZone.


A bit sad that the holocaust denier is just glossed over. I am sure Brazen interprets that to mean you all agree with him.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Brazen331 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:33 pm

Babeinbucland wrote:
The Outsider wrote:Came for the BiBL meltdown, stayed for the holocaust denial. Stay golden BucZone.


A bit sad that the holocaust denier is just glossed over. I am sure Brazen interprets that to mean you all agree with him.


The only interpretation I've been able to glean from these past several pages is that you are by far the most ignorant member we have here. Questioning your claim whether IBM was responsible for the Holocaust is not denying the Holocaust you moron. Haven't you hijacked this thread long enough? Having the entire community call you out on your stupidity is becoming rather boring.

This is not your thread. It's Corsair''s thread. We are supposed to be discussing Russia remember? Whether Trump got a golden shower from a Moscow hooker, whether Trump Jr. met with a Russian intelligence operative disguises as a child welfare advocate, whether James Comey secretly owns a pair of J. Edgar Hoover's panties, and whether this played a role in his dismissal? Why don't we get back on point?
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Babeinbucland » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:09 pm

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-putin-man ... lin-755321



Last May, a top White House national security official met in Washington with senior Russian officials and handed over details of a secret operation Israel had shared with its U.S. counterparts. The meeting shocked veteran U.S. counterspies. The American official was not arrested, and he continues to work in the White House today, albeit under close scrutiny. That official, of course, was Donald Trump. The president’s Oval Office meeting with Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, and its then-ambassador to Washington, Sergey Kislyak—which only Russian photographers were permitted to record—sparked a media brushfire that was quickly overtaken by more revelations of secret contacts between Trump associates and Kremlin agents. But the incident was not forgotten by American and Israeli security officials, or by longtime foreign intelligence allies of the U.S., who now wonder if the president can be trusted to protect their most guarded secrets.

For over a year, the question of collusion has driven various investigations into what’s become known as Russiagate. Special counsel Robert Mueller has been pursuing questions of whether Team Trump, which included the president’s son Donald Jr. and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, actively coordinated the Trump campaign with the Kremlin to hurt Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election. That suspicion was bad enough, but now a far more grim consensus is developing in the topmost circles of the U.S. national security establishment: The president has become a pawn of America’s adversary, Russian President Vladimir Putin. It’s a nightmare scenario even the writers of House of Cards would have discarded as implausible.

Until now. In a December 18 interview on CNN, retired Air Force Lieutenant General James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence, virtually called Trump a Putin puppet. The Russian president, Clapper noted, is a former KGB “case officer,” or spy recruiter, who “knows how to handle an asset, and that's what he's doing with the president. That’s the appearance to me.” (Pressed to clarify his “asset” comment, Clapper said, “I’m saying this figuratively.”)

“Wow,” tweeted former CIA Russian hand John Sipher. “The rest of us try to find other clever ways to say the same thing. Good on him for having the courage to call out Putin’s behavior. Our president shouldn’t have fallen for it.”

Veteran spy handlers have judged Trump an easy mark for Putin, who spent years in the KGB sizing up and exploiting a target’s vulnerabilities. They note how easily he falls for praise, as when Putin thanked him and the CIA for helping him thwart a bomb attack plot in St. Petersburg. “POTUS is a [spy] handlers’ dream,” Asha Rangappa, a former special agent in the FBI’s counterintelligence division, said. “He responds, without fail, to praise and flattery and telegraphs his day-to-day thoughts on Twitter. Likewise, said Harry “Skip” Brandon, a former FBI deputy assistant director of national security and counterterrorism. “He often very publicly states he goes by his instincts. If that is accurate, he may be the ultimate unwitting asset of Russia.”

And so on. The steady drip of revelations emerging from multiple Trump investigations—his business deals with Russian investors, his associates’ many undeclared meetings with Kremlin agents, his resistance to accepting evidence of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and his indiscretion with Israeli intelligence—draws a far darker picture.

Some veteran intelligence operators think it’s well past time to shift the narrative on Trump’s disturbing affinity for Putin, which the president insists is innocent and good for world peace. “Everyone continues to dance around a clear assessment of what’s going on,” says Glenn Carle, a former CIA national intelligence officer responsible for evaluating foreign threats. “My assessment,” he tells Newsweek, “is that Trump is actually working directly for the Russians.”

The Israelis can’t say they weren’t warned. In January 2017, a few weeks before Trump’s inauguration, top U.S. intelligence officials welcomed a delegation of their Israeli counterparts to Washington. The meeting proceeded uneventfully, according to veteran Israeli intelligence journalist Ronen Bergman, although the Americans vented their dismay over a president who had loudly disparaged their past work. “Just as their meeting was wrapping up,” according to Bergman and a later report in Vanity Fair, “an American spymaster solemnly announced there was one more thing: They believed that Putin had ‘leverages of pressure’ over Trump.” His advice: “Be careful.”

Five months later, the Israelis came to rue what they had shared with Trump’s new CIA director, former Republican Representative Mike Pompeo. They were astonished to read media reports that Trump had told the Russian foreign minister and ambassador about their top secret operation in Syria to penetrate a cell of the Islamic State militant group (ISIS). U.S. intelligence experts assumed the Russians had shared the information with their allies in Iran, Israel’s mortal enemy .

Clapper, now writing a book about his intelligence career, told Newsweekby email that “the Israelis were/are upset about it, since it proves once again we can’t be trusted to keep the secrets we share with them.”

Some of America’s closest intelligence allies were also upset by Trump’s leak, a top former national security official tells Newsweek, on the condition he not be identified when discussing such sensitive issues. “I hear the Brits are reluctant to share” intelligence on Russian subversion, he says, “not as much for security reasons as for political—they don’t wish to get crosswise with [Trump].”

Another analyst, Joseph Fitsanakis, co-editor of the Intel News blog, said relations between the U.K.’s spy chiefs and the Trump administration “are extremely tense.” During the 2016 campaign, he recalled, Trump riled London with an unsubstantiated claim that its version of the National Security Agency, the Government Communication Headquarters (better known as GCHQ), had eavesdropped on his communications. He refused to apologize.

Lower-level U.S. and foreign intelligence officials customarily find ways to deal with such high-level friction. But Trump’s repeated attacks on NATO have not only frustrated Washington’s closest allies but also raised questions as to whether the president has been duped into facilitating Putin’s long-range objective of undermining the European Union. “Some Western European colleagues are saying that sharing has been strictly limited to [counterterrorism] and some maritime [intelligence],” Fitsanakis says. “There's almost no sharing on Russia.”

How Trump’s attacks on “radical Islamic terrorism” will play out in the CIA’s relations with the spy services of Arab, African and Asian nations is not known. Historically, Langley has relied on such local partners to share its insights and intelligence on militant groups—sometimes to its regret when double agents wormed their way into their ranks.

Israeli officials uncharacteristically howled publicly about Trump’s “betrayal” in May and have only recently calmed down. Still, their anger could be detected months later, when a former Mossad deputy director, Ram Ben Barak, did an interview with The Cipher Brief’s Kim Dozier. “The rule is, if I give you information to help you, you do not give this information to another side without my permission,” Ben Barak said. “I am sure he will not do it again because, you know, it hurts the relationship.”

But all signs point to Trump not caring who gets hurt if it serves his interests—and vanity. Despite constant evidence of Russian interference throughout the summer of 2016, culminating in a January report by Clapper and Jeh Johnson, his Department of Homeland Security counterpart, saying the Kremlin had worked to put Trump in office, the president evidently permitted his incoming national security adviser, Michael Flynn, to intrigue with the Russians over lifting sanctions—and apparently didn't care enough to fire him after learning Flynn had lied about it to the FBI. Flynn’s later indictment and plea deal, Trump tweeted, was “a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!”

All this was going on, despite an explicit warning from the FBI to Trump soon after his nomination about potential espionage threats from Russia, according to NBC News. FBI agents also visited longtime Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks only days after the inauguration, saying that certain named Russian agents were trying to penetrate the new administration. Hicks, who says she forwarded the warning to White House counsel Donald McGahn, has not been accused of any wrongdoing.

Continually jousting with Trump over his denial that any of this amounted to “collusion” with the Russians is a distraction, say veteran intelligence hands. It amounts to looking for an explicit quid pro quo that may not exist. It misses, moreover, “what is right under our noses,” wrote Rangappa, the former FBI counterintelligence agent, along with Sipher, the onetime CIA Moscow station chief, and Alex Finley, a former CIA operations officer, in a joint piece for the Just Security website. “There is no question that Russia made multiple, unprecedented attempts to penetrate a U.S. presidential campaign, that its approaches were not rebuffed, and that its contacts were sensitive enough that everyone, to a person, has concealed them.

“These facts might never be adjudicated inside a courtroom,” they added. “They may not even be illegal—but they present a clear and present national security threat that we cannot ignore.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Babeinbucland » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:10 pm

Brazen331 wrote:
Babeinbucland wrote:
A bit sad that the holocaust denier is just glossed over. I am sure Brazen interprets that to mean you all agree with him.


The only interpretation I've been able to glean from these past several pages is that you are by far the most ignorant member we have here. Questioning your claim whether IBM was responsible for the Holocaust is not denying the Holocaust you moron. Haven't you hijacked this thread long enough? Having the entire community call you out on your stupidity is becoming rather boring.

This is not your thread. It's Corsair''s thread. We are supposed to be discussing Russia remember? Whether Trump got a golden shower from a Moscow hooker, whether Trump Jr. met with a Russian intelligence operative disguises as a child welfare advocate, whether James Comey secretly owns a pair of J. Edgar Hoover's panties, and whether this played a role in his dismissal? Why don't we get back on point?

Yeah no one said or even alluded to IBM causing the holocaust. But glad to see you admit that you support that the Holocaust happened and you are sure of that.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Commander Bubbles » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:33 pm

The Outsider wrote:
Wharf Rat wrote:
It happens, to me, more than I care to admit, lol.




LMAO, she’s not far off though. If she were to incorporate some black helicopters, some FEMA camps, and FEMA coffins and she’d be onto something.



Gay. Frogs.



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LMAO! That guy is such a trip.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Buc2 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:59 am

I get bitch-slapped when I post a Newsweak article.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Ken Carson » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:50 am

Buc2 wrote:I get bitch-slapped when I post a Newsweak article.

Where did the poster touch you, snowflake?
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Selmon Rules » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:25 am

Let me see if I've got this debating thing down.... If I say that we have, in fact, been visited by aliens in their flying saucers that came to visit their long-lost cousins, the Yeti, Bigfoot, Sasquatch, and Skunk Ape, the correct response to anyone disputing my facts is to have them prove it doesn't happen??

Gotcha.... Debating is going to be so much easier now

Personally, I still think Trump is an idiot
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:38 am

Ken Carson wrote:
Buc2 wrote:I get bitch-slapped when I post a Newsweak article.

Where did the poster touch you, snowflake?




I never watched fight club but I can promise you one thing I wouldnt of bee afflicted by it. So Brad Pitt f'ed up 50 or so million ------------------- nice...


Strike a nother for Hollywood.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby uscbucsfan » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:44 am

Clw wins the day.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby The Outsider » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:45 am

mdb is fuckin druuuuuuunk
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:57 am

Brads boys --- thats right stand up and be counted.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Buc2 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:35 am

Ken Carson wrote:
Buc2 wrote:I get bitch-slapped when I post a Newsweak article.

Where did the poster touch you, snowflake?

See? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Meanies.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby bucfanclw » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:07 am

“The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor – with no lawyers. They didn’t have any lawyers."

“Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad ****, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately.”

-Steve Bannon
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

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