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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby beardmcdoug » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:35 pm

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For those wondering:

Yes, Manafort was under FISA surveillance during the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

I wonder if there are any meetings recorded from that weekend?


Why is Kislyak getting called a "spy" here? He's a former ambassador... as in, THE ambassador of Russia to the US from 2008-2017. Now he's a spy?
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:36 pm

that response makes me think you are a spy too

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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby beardmcdoug » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:41 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:that response makes me think you are a spy too

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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Brazen331 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:05 pm

beardmcdoug wrote:
Corsair wrote:Image

For those wondering:

Yes, Manafort was under FISA surveillance during the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

I wonder if there are any meetings recorded from that weekend?


Why is Kislyak getting called a "spy" here? He's a former ambassador... as in, THE ambassador of Russia to the US from 2008-2017. Now he's a spy?


Since this thread would not exist and no one would care about Russia if Hillary won, it's a safe assumption that Kisylak became a spy when we found out that Pennsylvania was going for Trump.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby DreadNaught » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:37 pm

beardmcdoug wrote:
Corsair wrote:Image

For those wondering:

Yes, Manafort was under FISA surveillance during the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

I wonder if there are any meetings recorded from that weekend?


Why is Kislyak getting called a "spy" here? He's a former ambassador... as in, THE ambassador of Russia to the US from 2008-2017. Now he's a spy?


All Russians are spies
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Corsair » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:03 pm

Exclusive: Mueller team's focus on Manafort spans 11 years
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By Evan Perez and Shimon Prokupecz, CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/19/politics/ ... index.html

Washington (CNN)Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team is reaching back more than a decade in its investigation of Paul Manafort, a sign of the pressure Mueller is placing on President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman.

The FBI's warrant for a July search of Manafort's Alexandria, Virginia, home said the investigation centered on possible crimes committed as far back as January 2006, according to a source briefed on the investigation.

The broad time frame is the latest indication that Mueller's team is going well beyond Russian meddling during the campaign as part of its investigation of Trump campaign associates. Manafort, who has been the subject of an FBI investigation for three years, has emerged as a focal point for Mueller.

The search, an unusually hard-nosed tactic in a probe that centers on possible tax and financial crimes, began before dawn as Manafort and his wife lay in bed, according to sources briefed on the matter.

FBI agents entered with guns drawn and insisted on searching Kathleen Manafort for weapons, a standard part of FBI searches but a jarring event for the Manaforts, the sources said.
Mueller's team has warned Manafort that they are working to charge him with possible tax and financial crimes, the sources said, an indication the investigation could be in an advanced stage.

A spokesman for Manafort declined to comment.

Manafort has previously denied financial wrongdoing regarding his Ukraine-related payments, his bank accounts in offshore tax shelters, and his various real estate transactions over the years.

Justice Department prosecutors concluded last year that there wasn't enough evidence to bring charges against Manafort or any of the other US subjects in the Ukraine probe, according to sources briefed on the investigation. A spokesman for the special counsel declined to comment.

Mueller's team could be facing a deadline if they want to bring charges arising from older tax returns: The six-year statute of limitations for Manafort's taxes filed in 2011 expires October 15. They already may be too late for the years prior to 2011.

But the government could have more time depending on the exact nature of the charges that it wants to bring.

The period mentioned in the search warrant covers much of the decade that Manafort worked as a consultant for Ukraine's former ruling party. It's that work, which extended beyond the ouster of the president, Viktor Yanukovych, amid street protests in 2014, that prompted the FBI's interest in Manafort. Yanukovych's Party of Regions was accused of corruption and the FBI sought to learn whether the American consultants hired by the Ukrainian party, which also included Mercury LLC and the Podesta Group, were involved. The Justice Department probe also looked into whether the US firms violated the federal law that requires registration under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

All three firms earlier this year filed retroactive registrations with the Justice Department.

Mueller's office has subpoenaed reams of financial records from Manafort, in addition to the documents agents seized during the search, according to sources.
Investigators also have obtained Manafort's notes from the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer who promised to provide negative information on Hillary Clinton, the sources said.

Manafort, who attended with Donald Trump Jr. and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, wrote notes on his phone during the meeting.

The notes portray a meeting largely focused on a Russian lawyer's complaints about investment fund manager William Browder and his role in pushing sanctions legislation to punish Russia. The Russian lawyer repeated claims that Browder made campaign donations to both parties as a way to pass a Russia sanctions law, according to sources briefed on the notes.

Manafort's lawyers also turned over a one-page document containing the notes to Congress, which is investigating as well.

The notes are disjointed, the sources who have seen them said, and appear to focus on Russia's frustration over a law passed in 2012 that led to frozen assets of powerful Russian officials.

Earlier news reports about the reference to political contributions in the notes have led to speculation that the meeting attended by Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner included a request for donations.

But people who have seen the notes say the reference is to political contributions that the Russian lawyer alleged Browder made.

CNN's Marshall Cohen contributed to this report.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Corsair » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:04 pm

CBS News: "According to a former U.S. official, the intercepts picked up conversations between Manafort and Russian individuals about the campaign."
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Babeinbucland » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:18 pm

Rocker wrote:
Babeinbucland wrote:If trump rigged the election Pence is not the next in line as he is part of the rigged administration. So Clinton would be president. That or Civil war.


Shirley, you can't be serious.

Not a stand alone post - a response to the post above mine
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Ken Carson » Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:54 pm

Corsair wrote:
Exclusive: Mueller team's focus on Manafort spans 11 years
Shimon Prokupecz
By Evan Perez and Shimon Prokupecz, CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/19/politics/ ... index.html

Manafort, who attended with Donald Trump Jr. and Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, wrote notes on his phone during the meeting.

The notes portray a meeting largely focused on a Russian lawyer's complaints about investment fund manager William Browder and his role in pushing sanctions legislation to punish Russia. The Russian lawyer repeated claims that Browder made campaign donations to both parties as a way to pass a Russia sanctions law, according to sources briefed on the notes.

Manafort's lawyers also turned over a one-page document containing the notes to Congress, which is investigating as well.

The notes are disjointed, the sources who have seen them said, and appear to focus on Russia's frustration over a law passed in 2012 that led to frozen assets of powerful Russian officials.

Earlier news reports about the reference to political contributions in the notes have led to speculation that the meeting attended by Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner included a request for donations.

But people who have seen the notes say the reference is to political contributions that the Russian lawyer alleged Browder made.

CNN's Marshall Cohen contributed to this report.


A month ago, you we sure we'd found the smoking gun because these notes had GOP and 'donations' near each other.

Also, I'm less convinced by the 'building a complete case' argument that you and babe were making last week. It's clear that they NEED Manafort to make a case. Hence the raid and now digging into his finances going back 7+ years before he joined the campaign.

If he is going or able to flip, it should happen soon.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:55 pm

Babeinbucland wrote:
Rocker wrote:
Shirley, you can't be serious.

Not a stand alone post - a response to the post above mine

Nevertheless, it's not going to come to that and it makes us look like lunatics when we talk like that.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Corsair » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:20 pm

Apparently Manafort was in contact with Deripaska (A Russian oligarch with strong ties to Putin) and offered to give "private briefings" regarding the Trump campaign.

Ten days later, the Trump campaign demanded that Pro-Russian changes be made to the GOP platform on Ukraine at the RNC in Cleveland and the Republicans capitulated.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Babeinbucland » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:00 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Babeinbucland wrote:Not a stand alone post - a response to the post above mine

Nevertheless, it's not going to come to that and it makes us look like lunatics when we talk like that.

Sweet of you to phrase it in the "we" lol
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby deltbucs » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:17 am

Corsair wrote:Apparently Manafort was in contact with Deripaska (A Russian oligarch with strong ties to Putin) and offered to give "private briefings" regarding the Trump campaign.

Ten days later, the Trump campaign demanded that Pro-Russian changes be made to the GOP platform on Ukraine and the Republicans capitulated.

Could you imagine the response by the other team if something like this happened with Hillary and Obama?
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Brazen331 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:10 pm

deltbucs wrote:
Corsair wrote:Apparently Manafort was in contact with Deripaska (A Russian oligarch with strong ties to Putin) and offered to give "private briefings" regarding the Trump campaign.

Ten days later, the Trump campaign demanded that Pro-Russian changes be made to the GOP platform on Ukraine and the Republicans capitulated.

Could you imagine the response by the other team if something like this happened with Hillary and Obama?


Wouldn't even begin to compare to the reaction by the other team if Trump gave Russia 20 percent of our uranium like Clinton and Obama did. We would be hearing about it from the MSM 24/7.

I mean why would you give our greatest enemy so much nuclear material? Oh, that was before Clinton lost and Russia was no big deal.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Corsair » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:10 pm

Brazen is the Kellyanne Conway of this forum.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-u ... ssia-deal/

Even if it were true (it isn't) what does that have to do with the situation at hand?

She isn't in office.

The right just can't quit Hillary.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Corsair » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:56 pm

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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby RedLeader » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:13 pm

"Allegedly"...
"Reportedly"...
"Considered"...
"Believed"...


This is some real ground breaking stuff you got here, Cors...

Truly. Good work.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby deltbucs » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:41 pm

Brazen331 wrote:
deltbucs wrote:Could you imagine the response by the other team if something like this happened with Hillary and Obama?


Wouldn't even begin to compare to the reaction by the other team if Trump gave Russia 20 percent of our uranium like Clinton and Obama did. We would be hearing about it from the MSM 24/7.

I mean why would you give our greatest enemy so much nuclear material? Oh, that was before Clinton lost and Russia was no big deal.

Yep..ignore it and point at the other team. Exactly my point.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Brazen331 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:16 pm

Corsair wrote:Brazen is the Kellyanne Conway of this forum.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-u ... ssia-deal/

Even if it were true (it isn't) what does that have to do with the situation at hand?

She isn't in office.

The right just can't quit Hillary.


If I'm Kellyanne Conway then you must be the Macine Waters of the forum.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Ken Carson » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:23 am

Brazen331 wrote:
Corsair wrote:Brazen is the Kellyanne Conway of this forum.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-u ... ssia-deal/

Even if it were true (it isn't) what does that have to do with the situation at hand?

She isn't in office.

The right just can't quit Hillary.


If I'm Kellyanne Conway then you must be the Macine Waters of the forum.

Siiiiick Burn
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Corsair » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:56 pm

JUST IN: “Russian government cyber actors” unsuccessfully attempted to hack 2016 election results in Wisconsin, DHS tells state officials

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It's befuddling to me that so many of you reject that our elections were attacked by a foreign adversary, and even ridicule any attempts to investigate and fix the problems for future elections.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Corsair » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:19 pm

This doesn't seem to be suspicious:

NEW: A Ukrainian born billionaire who does biz w/ Russian oligarchs is funding Trump's legal representation via RNC



GOP Funds Donald Trump’s Defense in Russia Probe With Help From a Handful of Wealthy People
Payment arrangement is legal, but ethics experts warn that reliance on party and campaign accounts could raise thorny political issues

By Rebecca Ballhaus
Sept. 22, 2017 3:46 p.m. ET

President Donald Trump’s attorneys in the probe of Russian election interference are being funded in part through a Republican Party account with a handful of wealthy donors—including a billionaire investor, a property developer seeking U.S. government visas and a Ukrainian-born American who has made billions of dollars doing business with Russian oligarchs.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-funds- ... 1506109617

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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Corsair » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:28 pm

The Associated Press‏ @AP

BREAKING: U.S. government tells election officials in 21 states hackers targeted their systems in 2016 but most systems not breached.


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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Corsair » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:34 pm

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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Brazen331 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:53 pm

Corsair wrote:JUST IN: “Russian government cyber actors” unsuccessfully attempted to hack 2016 election results in Wisconsin, DHS tells state officials

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It's befuddling to me that so many of you reject that our elections were attacked by a foreign adversary, and even ridicule any attempts to investigate and fix the problems for future elections.


There is nothing befuddling here. I don't think anyone is rejecting attempts to strengthen the system. But what is worthy of ridicule is this objective, non-partisan pose you are trying to pull off.

Everyone knows you would not give 2 shits about Russia if thousands of votes went a different way in a couple states.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby NavyBuc » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:58 am

Ken Carson wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
If I'm Kellyanne Conway then you must be the Macine Waters of the forum.

Siiiiick Burn


Have to admit, this made me laugh a bit. Although I don't even think Maxine Waters is as obsessed with Trump as Corsair is.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby SDBucs » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:11 pm

79 pages now, how about a spin on "Guess the # of pieces of candy in the jar" and lets play "Guess the # of posts by Corsair"

Maybe some day President Trump will go down for this, 79 pages of evidence seems pretty damning.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Brazen331 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:16 pm

SDBucs wrote:79 pages now, how about a spin on "Guess the # of pieces of candy in the jar" and lets play "Guess the # of posts by Corsair"

Maybe some day President Trump will go down for this, 79 pages of evidence seems pretty damning.


I'm sure we have to investigate Comey's firing for at least another year. Remember during his testimony when Comey stated he had to take notes every time he met with Trump because he was a liar?

Yet he takes Trump's off-hand comment about Russia and his firing as the unvarnished truth, the self-serving SOB. Trump had to be telling the truth here for the first time ever because it benefits Comey.

The POS interjects himself into a Presidential campaign twice, possibly deciding it. Now he is trying to overturn an election after the fact. Trump has not done much of anything since taking office but firing Comey was his greatest accomplishment by far.

If Comey is not charged with something after all this justice will not have been served.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Corsair » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:13 pm

Quick question to the board:

If we get to the point where the US Government admits that vote counts were changed, does that effect how people digest this issue?

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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Selmon Rules » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:37 pm

Pointed question.... Admits or learns??

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