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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Swashy » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:00 pm

Ken Carson wrote:
Swashy wrote:
Hillary ran a poor and ineffective campaign. I'm not too worried about her failures as pertains to this election cycle. Trump is turning into a one man inside job while the likes of McCain, Romney and Bush spurn him. Maybe I am undervaluing the narratives and ideals too much but it's into such a mess that Democrats just need people to show up to cast their ballots come November. There's little way that the 18-35 demographic is watching this unfold without horror for what awaits them in what is already not a very good situation. At best the Republicans can only just hope their voters hold them to no accountability -not that they usually do anyway.


I'm in the 18-35 demographic. I'm a registered Democrat. I'm constantly looking for the party to stand for something that the majority of the country can get behind. There are some things, but the rank and file of the Democratic Party does not have its **** together. That's not remotely debatable.

In fact, basically since the election, the Democratic Party has had a 50% or more unfavorable rating on Gallup polling data. I mean, how do you manage that when Donald Trump is the President? Then you realize that Trump's disapproval rating is also at 53%... the same as Democrats. So Democrats are disapproved of AT THE SAME RATE AS TRUMP. How does that not wake us the **** up? Our message of 'we're not Trump' has gotten us to be as disliked as Trump. People do not want 'we're better than the living incarnation of presidential incompetence' messaging. They want to know how we're going to make their lives better and we aren't ****ing telling them.

Every D in this thread, get the hell out and write up a post on why people should support us. Not why they shouldn't support Trump. It's a loser's argument.


**** it I'm game. Makes me wonder how well I can do spin jobs and sell something not that good. If I throw up you're in charge of cleaning it.

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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:11 pm

Buc2 wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:

In talking about our intelligence service...he is absolutely correct to question its legitimacy and validity...as you alluded to, he just chose the wrong audience (Putin) to do it in front of. That's bad form.

I can't remember if this is the year we trust the CIA/FBI or if its the year we don't? I guess it simply depends on which party is being attacked????

Smart money is to never trust spooks.



The 4th amendment stuff has always been my #1 problem with Rs.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby The Outsider » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:34 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:
Buc2 wrote:Smart money is to never trust spooks.



The 4th amendment stuff has always been my #1 problem with Rs.



For what it's worth there are plenty of people, me included, that generally trust the IC even if they acknowledge that they do some shitty things sometimes.

I think they have too much overreach and surveillance power but I also believe the majority in the IC genuinely believe in what they're doing and why they're doing it.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Buc2 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:20 pm

The Outsider wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:

The 4th amendment stuff has always been my #1 problem with Rs.



For what it's worth there are plenty of people, me included, that generally trust the IC even if they acknowledge that they do some shitty things sometimes.

I think they have too much overreach and surveillance power but I also believe the majority in the IC genuinely believe in what they're doing and why they're doing it.

Yeah. Like when Brennan was running the CIA and was using the agency to spy on members of the Senate Intelligence Committee?
Senator Mark Udall, a Democrat member of the Senate Intelligence Committee demanded Brennan’s resignation:
“The C.I.A. unconstitutionally spied on Congress by hacking into the Senate Intelligence Committee computers,” he said in a written statement. “This grave misconduct not only is illegal but it violates the U.S. Constitution’s requirement of separation of powers.

“These offenses, along with other errors in judgment by some at the C.I.A., demonstrate a tremendous failure of leadership, and there must be consequences.”

Good times.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby The Outsider » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:16 pm

Buc2 wrote:
The Outsider wrote:

For what it's worth there are plenty of people, me included, that generally trust the IC even if they acknowledge that they do some shitty things sometimes.

I think they have too much overreach and surveillance power but I also believe the majority in the IC genuinely believe in what they're doing and why they're doing it.

Yeah. Like when Brennan was running the CIA and was using the agency to spy on members of the Senate Intelligence Committee?
Senator Mark Udall, a Democrat member of the Senate Intelligence Committee demanded Brennan’s resignation:

Good times.



Maybe it's a result of coming up in different time periods (and my voracious appetite for dystopian media), but I assume everyone is being surveilled. That's the consequence of the technological world we live in.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:33 pm

The Outsider wrote:
Buc2 wrote:Yeah. Like when Brennan was running the CIA and was using the agency to spy on members of the Senate Intelligence Committee?

Good times.



Maybe it's a result of coming up in different time periods (and my voracious appetite for dystopian media), but I assume everyone is being surveilled. That's the consequence of the technological world we live in.



Who tells the person that tells the IRS to target? Got two names?
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Buc2 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:39 pm

The Outsider wrote:
Buc2 wrote:Yeah. Like when Brennan was running the CIA and was using the agency to spy on members of the Senate Intelligence Committee?

Good times.



Maybe it's a result of coming up in different time periods (and my voracious appetite for dystopian media), but I assume everyone is being surveilled. That's the consequence of the technological world we live in.

The times have definitely changed. Hell, my phone knows where I'm going the second I start my car just based on my driving habits.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby The Outsider » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:19 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
The Outsider wrote:

Maybe it's a result of coming up in different time periods (and my voracious appetite for dystopian media), but I assume everyone is being surveilled. That's the consequence of the technological world we live in.



Who tells the person that tells the IRS to target? Got two names?


I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Alpha » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:00 am

The Outsider wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:

Who tells the person that tells the IRS to target? Got two names?


I'm not really sure what you're talking about.


That twat-waffles, tin-foil hat is askew.

No worries, bro. It's the "Deep State". They're everywhere. They (we) know (for example), that MDB rubbed one out to gay, midget porn JUST TODAY.

Don't ask me how I know...just trust that it's true.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Brazen331 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:39 am

Alpha wrote:
The Outsider wrote:
I'm not really sure what you're talking about.


That twat-waffles, tin-foil hat is askew.

No worries, bro. It's the "Deep State". They're everywhere. They (we) know (for example), that MDB rubbed one out to gay, midget porn JUST TODAY.

Don't ask me how I know...just trust that it's true.


All you got to do is put some black tape over the camera so the Deep State can’t watch your wank sesh.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Alpha » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:04 am

[quote="Ken Carson"]They want to know how we're going to make their lives better and we aren't ****ing telling them.

And here is why YOU...and EVRYONE who agrees with this, are a part of the problem and NOT a part of the solution:

YOU are relying on the government to "make your life better".

Be better than my generation. Make your own life better and stop relying on the Gub'ment to do it for you.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Ken Carson » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:20 am

Alpha wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:They want to know how we're going to make their lives better and we aren't ****ing telling them.


And here is why YOU...and EVRYONE who agrees with this, are a part of the problem and NOT a part of the solution:

YOU are relying on the government to "make your life better".

Be better than my generation. Make your own life better and stop relying on the Gub'ment to do it for you.

Wrong. That is completely incongruent with my post that you dragged that out of.

If the Democratic Party wants to get an approval rating better than Donald Trump (still an unbelievable statement), we need to tell Americans how we plan to improve the country. Maybe that involves more government, maybe not. But what is required is a positive narrative, not a platform based on what we aren’t.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby The Outsider » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:24 am

That word...incongruent. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Brazen331 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:48 am

Ken Carson wrote:
Alpha wrote:
And here is why YOU...and EVRYONE who agrees with this, are a part of the problem and NOT a part of the solution:

YOU are relying on the government to "make your life better".

Be better than my generation. Make your own life better and stop relying on the Gub'ment to do it for you.

Wrong. That is completely incongruent with my post that you dragged that out of.

If the Democratic Party wants to get an approval rating better than Donald Trump (still an unbelievable statement), we need to tell Americans how we plan to improve the country. Maybe that involves more government, maybe not. But what is required is a positive narrative, not a platform based on what we aren’t.


That isn’t going to happen now, Ken. Before Monday, maybe, but not now. Trump’s stumble at the Summit is actually probably going to end up being a boon for him politically.

Maybe if the Summit was a triumph you guys would actually start talking about something else...economy...jobs...education...healthcare...anything.

But it’s going to be Russia Russia Russia and collusion and impeachment 24/7 from here on out until Election Day. What you Democrats can’t seem to realize is that nobody cares about or subscribes to the Russia collusion delusion except Liberals.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:09 am

Brazen331 wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:Wrong. That is completely incongruent with my post that you dragged that out of.

If the Democratic Party wants to get an approval rating better than Donald Trump (still an unbelievable statement), we need to tell Americans how we plan to improve the country. Maybe that involves more government, maybe not. But what is required is a positive narrative, not a platform based on what we aren’t.


That isn’t going to happen now, Ken. Before Monday, maybe, but not now. Trump’s stumble at the Summit is actually probably going to end up being a boon for him politically.

Maybe if the Summit was a triumph you guys would actually start talking about something else...economy...jobs...education...healthcare...anything.

But it’s going to be Russia Russia Russia and collusion and impeachment 24/7 from here on out until Election Day. What you Democrats can’t seem to realize is that nobody cares about or subscribes to the Russia collusion delusion except Liberals.

You believe every single word you just wrote, don't you?
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby uscbucsfan » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:14 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
That isn’t going to happen now, Ken. Before Monday, maybe, but not now. Trump’s stumble at the Summit is actually probably going to end up being a boon for him politically.

Maybe if the Summit was a triumph you guys would actually start talking about something else...economy...jobs...education...healthcare...anything.

But it’s going to be Russia Russia Russia and collusion and impeachment 24/7 from here on out until Election Day. What you Democrats can’t seem to realize is that nobody cares about or subscribes to the Russia collusion delusion except Liberals.

You believe every single word you just wrote, don't you?


He's not completely wrong. I've read a few articles and polls that state swing voters care very little about Russia.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:23 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
That isn’t going to happen now, Ken. Before Monday, maybe, but not now. Trump’s stumble at the Summit is actually probably going to end up being a boon for him politically.

Maybe if the Summit was a triumph you guys would actually start talking about something else...economy...jobs...education...healthcare...anything.

But it’s going to be Russia Russia Russia and collusion and impeachment 24/7 from here on out until Election Day. What you Democrats can’t seem to realize is that nobody cares about or subscribes to the Russia collusion delusion except Liberals.

You believe every single word you just wrote, don't you?


I don't agree with that entire post, but there is some data that indicates Trump's misstep on Monday isn't nearly as big a deal as some tried to make it.

Rasmussen: Trump job approval ticks up a point to 45-54, exactly the same as where it was before the meeting with Putin.


I do agree with Ken that Dems would be better served letting Mueller handle Russian interference and connections to Trump while they focus on their messaging. I think you agree with that also.

This Russia hysteria doesn't help Dems and barley hurts Trump.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:31 am

DreadNaught wrote:This Russia hysteria doesn't help Dems and barley hurts Trump.


Scroll back up to Brazen's post. The Russia thing HELPS Trump! His fuckups make him more powerful!
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Brazen331 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:06 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:This Russia hysteria doesn't help Dems and barley hurts Trump.


Scroll back up to Brazen's post. The Russia thing HELPS Trump! His fuckups make him more powerful!


To clarify, Alpha Lite, there were rumblings out of the DNC and other affiliated outlets of a forthcoming change in message from the Dems, one from Russia to other things. But that’s over now. Russia is the shiny object you just can’t ignore, it’s like crack for Liberals.

But to your last sentence...yes, Trump’s screwups actually don’t affect him much. Isn’t that why he’s called the Teflon Don? The problem might be that your biased media has cried wolf so many times that people stopped paying attention because it has lost legitimacy.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:18 am

Brazen331 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Scroll back up to Brazen's post. The Russia thing HELPS Trump! His fuckups make him more powerful!


To clarify, Alpha Lite, there were rumblings out of the DNC and other affiliated outlets of a forthcoming change in message from the Dems, one from Russia to other things. But that’s over now. Russia is the shiny object you just can’t ignore, it’s like crack for Liberals.

But to your last sentence...yes, Trump’s screwups actually don’t affect him much. Isn’t that why he’s called the Teflon Don? The problem might be that your biased media has cried wolf so many times that people stopped paying attention because it has lost legitimacy.

Okay, drunk mdb. Let's unpack all this.

Russia is either crack for liberals or people just aren't paying attention anymore. You have to pick one or the other. Since the media has lost all legitimacy I'm guessing you're going with the latter.

"Teflon Don" has an unfavorable rating consistently over 50%. Like it or not, when he fucks up, it hurts him among the 65% of Americans who are not in your little cult.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby uscbucsfan » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:32 am

Play nice, children.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:38 am

uscbucsfan wrote:Play nice, children.

He started it.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:43 am

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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Brazen331 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:44 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
To clarify, Alpha Lite, there were rumblings out of the DNC and other affiliated outlets of a forthcoming change in message from the Dems, one from Russia to other things. But that’s over now. Russia is the shiny object you just can’t ignore, it’s like crack for Liberals.

But to your last sentence...yes, Trump’s screwups actually don’t affect him much. Isn’t that why he’s called the Teflon Don? The problem might be that your biased media has cried wolf so many times that people stopped paying attention because it has lost legitimacy.

Okay, drunk mdb. Let's unpack all this.

Russia is either crack for liberals or people just aren't paying attention anymore. You have to pick one or the other. Since the media has lost all legitimacy I'm guessing you're going with the latter.

"Teflon Don" has an unfavorable rating consistently over 50%. Like it or not, when he fucks up, it hurts him among the 65% of Americans who are not in your little cult.


I take it you’re more of a family man than Alpha, so you can’t drink nearly as much, or stay up nearly as late. So your drunken bloviations are tame, comparatively. That’s why I called you Alpha Lite. If I was referencing posting ability I would have called you something like Alpha Full-Bodied.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:49 am

Brazen331 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Okay, drunk mdb. Let's unpack all this.

Russia is either crack for liberals or people just aren't paying attention anymore. You have to pick one or the other. Since the media has lost all legitimacy I'm guessing you're going with the latter.

"Teflon Don" has an unfavorable rating consistently over 50%. Like it or not, when he fucks up, it hurts him among the 65% of Americans who are not in your little cult.


I take it you’re more of a family man than Alpha, so you can’t drink nearly as much, or stay up nearly as late. So your drunken bloviations are tame, comparatively. That’s why I called you Alpha Lite. If I was referencing posting ability I would have called you something like Alpha Full-Bodied.

Well, I'm sure glad we cleared that up.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby RedLeader » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:22 pm

“Gallup Poll Shows Americans Couldn't Care Less (Literally) About 'Situation With Russia'“


Are dems still focusing on the wrong things?



Yes. Yes they are...
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:39 pm

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Poll: 60 percent of Americans say Russia meddled in 2016 election

By ALEXANDER NIEVES

07/18/2018 12:42 PM EDT
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A majority of Americans believe Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election, according to a new Ipsos Poll, though there’s a sharp disparity along party lines.

Eighty-five percent of Democrats and 53 percent of independents say that Russia meddled in the election, while less than half of Republicans — 46 percent — share this same belief.

The poll comes as President Donald Trump faces bipartisan rebuke over his performance at a Monday summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Trump sided with Putin over his own intelligence agencies at a joint press conference in Helsinki, telling reporters that he didn’t “see any reason why it would be” Russia that interfered in the election. He has since walked back that statement, saying Tuesday that he misspoke at the press conference.

“The sentence should have been: ‘I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia,’” Trump said.

The poll found that two-thirds of Americans are following special counsel Robert Mueller’s ongoing investigation into Russia’s influence on the election and nearly half talk to friends and family about the investigation. Democrats are more likely to both follow the investigation (80 percent) and actively discuss it (62 percent) than their Republican counterparts. About 69 percent of Republicans say they follow the investigation, while 49 percent talk to their social circle about it.
White House says Trump didn't say that Russia is not targeting U.S.

The starkest contrast in beliefs on the investigation is in the perception of political bias against Trump. A large majority of Republicans (75 percent) believe the FBI’s investigation is the result of anti-Trump bias, while much smaller numbers of Democrats (32 percent) and independents (36 percent) hold these same beliefs.

Similarly, a majority of Democrats (66 percent) approve of Mueller’s investigation, while 30 percent of Republicans and 35 percent of independents agree.

A little more than half of poll respondents (54 percent) were aware of FBI agent Peter Strzok’s testimony in front of Congress, while two-thirds knew about the recent indictment of 12 Russians for election interference.

The online poll, conducted July 16-17, surveyed roughly 1,005 adults from across the U.S.


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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Zarniwoop » Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:45 pm

Look at all the Trumptards in that video
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:38 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:Look at all the Trumptards in that video



Atleast one went to FSU 8-)
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Ken Carson » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:55 pm

Interesting how Independents are closer to Republicans on how they see the investigation.
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