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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu May 17, 2018 10:17 pm

Let's check the scoreboard

Historical 30% probability of a bill passing regardless of popular support.

One major party rigging primaries to tip the scale to a political elite.

Both parties showing multiple examples of favoring big money donors over popular opinion

Massive media campaigns on both sides to dictate the narrative and blame the other side

Crumbling infrastructure

Outsourcing of labor.

Tax cuts without spending cuts or adequate other funding of government

Mergers and acquisitions stifling competition

And the cherry on top is this knucklehead running the executive branch from a twitter account.

When does it stop?
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby RedLeader » Thu May 17, 2018 10:32 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Let's check the scoreboard

Historical 30% probability of a bill passing regardless of popular support.

One major party rigging primaries to tip the scale to a political elite.

Both parties showing multiple examples of favoring big money donors over popular opinion

Massive media campaigns on both sides to dictate the narrative and blame the other side

Crumbling infrastructure

Outsourcing of labor.

Tax cuts without spending cuts or adequate other funding of government

Mergers and acquisitions stifling competition

And the cherry on top is this knucklehead running the executive branch from a twitter account.

When does it stop?


When his term ends and you guys actually put up a qualifid candidate worth a ****. Until then, stop your crying, and start rallying the troops. You’re going to need it.

At this point, all the Left’s antics and whining, along with the timing of the Mueller investigation finally falling flat is only going to hurt those efforts.


But we’ll see.....



Until then, try to get ahold of yourself, will ya.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby The Outsider » Thu May 17, 2018 10:40 pm

RedLeader wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Let's check the scoreboard

Historical 30% probability of a bill passing regardless of popular support.

One major party rigging primaries to tip the scale to a political elite.

Both parties showing multiple examples of favoring big money donors over popular opinion

Massive media campaigns on both sides to dictate the narrative and blame the other side

Crumbling infrastructure

Outsourcing of labor.

Tax cuts without spending cuts or adequate other funding of government

Mergers and acquisitions stifling competition

And the cherry on top is this knucklehead running the executive branch from a twitter account.

When does it stop?


When his term ends and you guys actually put up a qualifid candidate worth a ****. Until then, stop your crying, and start rallying the troops. You’re going to need it.

At this point, all the Left’s antics and whining, along with the timing of the Mueller investigation finally falling flat is only going to hurt those efforts.


But we’ll see.....



Until then, try to get ahold of yourself, will ya.


I mean, Alabama elected it's first D in decades and some no name 34 y/o Marine beat a Trump backed R in ****ing Allegheny County.

So please, continue.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu May 17, 2018 11:05 pm

RedLeader wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Let's check the scoreboard

Historical 30% probability of a bill passing regardless of popular support.

One major party rigging primaries to tip the scale to a political elite.

Both parties showing multiple examples of favoring big money donors over popular opinion

Massive media campaigns on both sides to dictate the narrative and blame the other side

Crumbling infrastructure

Outsourcing of labor.

Tax cuts without spending cuts or adequate other funding of government

Mergers and acquisitions stifling competition

And the cherry on top is this knucklehead running the executive branch from a twitter account.

When does it stop?


When his term ends and you guys actually put up a qualifid candidate worth a ****. Until then, stop your crying, and start rallying the troops. You’re going to need it.

At this point, all the Left’s antics and whining, along with the timing of the Mueller investigation finally falling flat is only going to hurt those efforts.


But we’ll see.....



Until then, try to get ahold of yourself, will ya.

This guy thinks it all started last year!

Listen here, butterbean. Your guy AIN'T part of the solution, he's part of the problem. Even worse, your fuckin guy brings an entirely new subset of problems.

Ignorant bootlicker.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby RedLeader » Fri May 18, 2018 12:52 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
RedLeader wrote:
When his term ends and you guys actually put up a qualifid candidate worth a ****. Until then, stop your crying, and start rallying the troops. You’re going to need it.

At this point, all the Left’s antics and whining, along with the timing of the Mueller investigation finally falling flat is only going to hurt those efforts.


But we’ll see.....



Until then, try to get ahold of yourself, will ya.

This guy thinks it all started last year!

Listen here, butterbean. Your guy AIN'T part of the solution, he's part of the problem. Even worse, your fuckin guy brings an entirely new subset of problems.

Ignorant bootlicker.


Haha.. Don’t ban me bro!!










You dont even know how we got here, do you, doofus.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Ken Carson » Fri May 18, 2018 9:58 am

The Outsider wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:You're drunk or belligerent.

We should be holding our elected leaders to high standards. When one of them, regardless of party, falls short of that standard they need to be held accountable and the first people to do it are the ones who voted for them.

Now here in a second, somebody is gonna come rolling in with some whataboutism to try and call me a hypocrite, but that falls flat because we are talking about this President at this point in time and if Trump is found by Meuller to be a part of all this, we as a people need to decide if we're going to hold him accountable. Because if he did and we do nothing about it we may as well pack it up and stop pretending there's any sort of democracy here.


He's not drunk or belligerent. He's a Subaru corporate salesman who thinks he's more qualified to speak to the situation in Cuba than most people because his wife is Cuban.

In short, Ken is an idiot when it comes to complex political topics.

First of all, the line about defending sons of bitches is a quote from H.L. Mencken. And it’s a well-used one when defending civil liberties, because our justice system guarantees even serial killers the right to communicate openly and honestly with their lawyers in a way that the law protects.

As far as prosecuting Trump, I am totally for it. As long as the prosecution does not trample rights to do so. If we as the people grant them the power to do so because it ‘gets’ Trump, then we failed the test.

Therefore, when things are on the borderline, I’m erring on the side of civil rights and liberties, not on “well, if it ends up uncovering illegal activity then it’s fine.” That’s not how rights work.

Second, I know more about Cuba because my wife’s family is Cuban. They know stories of what that regime has done and continues to do. So, yeah, I continue to be critical of aoce to normalization that only benefits an empowered regime. Or do you not know that the regime owns all the hotels and restaurants that Americans were dumping money into? Can you explain how that should help the oppressed achieve freedom in a way that a simple moron could understand? Don’t make it too complex for me, enlightened one.

Finally, that ad hominem attack on me was bush league and should be beneath you. I am making a defense of civil liberties. Right now we have people on the left arguing for constitutional rights of undocumented people, and against those rights for a sitting US president. We’ve made a political issue out of something that should be an inalienable right.

But I can expect you so understand the rankings o someone so unenlightened.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Buc2 » Sat May 19, 2018 11:19 am

One year into the Mueller Circus...introducing the non-partisan Mueller investigation team...uh...I meant partisan Mueller investigation team.

The Mueller Probe: A Year-Old Hyperpartisan Circus
By DEROY MURDOCK
May 18, 2018 5:37 PM

Thursday, May 17, marked one year since Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein named Robert Swan Mueller III as special counsel. His mission: To search from sea to shining sea for collusion between Russia and Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign. If Mueller has found anything concrete behind this collective hallucination, he must have stashed it in Fort Knox. In this government, the details of a recent White House meeting to stop leaks got leaked. It’s beyond belief that proof of Trump/Russia collusion exists but has not seeped out.

Mueller’s inquest has failed its stated purpose. However, it has thrived as a genuine example of an investigation so biased that 53 percent of adults in a May 8 CBS News poll call it “politically motivated.”

Amid accusations from the right, and even fair-minded liberals, that his team is terminally hostile to Trump, or at least certifiably pro-Hillary, Mueller could have begun to reverse this perception by hiring a Republican or a scrupulously apolitical prosecutor.

But no!

The newest identifiable name on Mueller’s roster is Uzodinma Enyinnaya Asonye. He is the 17th prosecutor and 12th Democratic donor on Mueller’s probe. Asonye gave $800 to Hillary Clinton in 2008 and another $100 in 2007 to ActBlue, “the largest source of funds for Democrats,” according to the Somerville, Mass., organization’s website. ActBlue “is a nonprofit, building fundraising technology for the left.”

A website called Legal Bisnow mentioned Asonye on July 7, 2008:

Potomac fever bit him while still in law school; after field organizing for John Kerry’s ’04 campaign in Broward County, Uzo made a beeline for DC to work for Jesse Jackson Jr. instead of returning to New Haven for his third year. Good thing Yale lets you take finals online.


As it happens, Mueller and former secretary of state John Kerry attended St. Paul’s School together and were both on the lacrosse team at the Concord, N.H., boarding school. The minutes of the March 14, 2001, meeting of the Cornell University Faculty Senate find Asonye named to the Ivy League school’s Curriculum Committee on Diversity. Asonye’s résumé doesn’t scream “Make America Great Again.” Nor should it. But it should not holler “I’m with her!” either.

Team Mueller should be scrupulously nonpartisan (e.g. no donors to either party or 2016 nominee) or at least look like America (split dialectically between Democrats and Republicans). Instead, as the Daily Caller confirms, Mueller’s 17 prosecutors resemble a local Democratic club.

* 14 are Democrats
* Three are party-unaffiliated
* None is a Republican
* Twelve are Democratic donors
* One also is a Republican donor
* Two maxed out as Hillary Clinton donors

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Put another way, 82 percent of Mueller’s lawyers are Democrats, and 71 percent of them have contributed money to Democratic candidates and causes.

James Quarles did donate $2,500 to former Utah Republican congressman Jason Chaffetz and $250 to former GOP Virginia senator George Allen. But Quarles also maxed out to Hillary, as did Jeannie Rhee. Only two of Mueller’s Democrats, Ryan Dickey and Michael Dreeben, failed to contribute to their party. Donald J. Trump apparently received $0.00 from Team Mueller.

All told, Mueller’s lawyers donated $65,657 to federal-level Democrats, $11,850 to state-level Democrats, and $2,750 to federal Republicans. Within this $80,257 grand total, Democrats scored $77,507 (97 percent) while Republicans saw $2,750 (3 percent).

Money aside, Andrew Weissman famously attended Hillary Clinton’s Election Night bash. And bash is what Hillary aide Justin Cooper did with a hammer, as he demolished two of her subpoenaed mobile devices. Mueller attorney Aaron Zebley was Cooper’s lawyer.

Also, Jeannie Rhee represented the Clinton Foundation and Obama’s national-security aide Ben Rhodes. She also defended Hillary against litigation seeking her personal e-mails.

Mueller’s supporters usually note that he is a Republican who was appointed FBI director by GOP president George W. Bush, although his term was extended for two years by Obama, a Democrat. As special counsel, Mueller reports to the aforementioned Rod Rosenstein. He, in turn, was appointed by President Trump and confirmed by the Republican Senate.

Nonetheless, if Mueller’s effort is not a hyperpartisan, anti-Trump circus, it sure looks like one. And that mere appearance has shattered this entire enterprise’s credibility.

After one year, Mueller has indicted former Trump-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and secured guilty pleas from Trump aides Michael Flynn, Rick Gates, and George Papadopoulos and Dutch attorney Alex van der Zwann. But none of these legal actions, nor anything else, proves that Trump and Russia colluded to win the White House.

Robert Mueller should dismantle his big top, concede that there is nothing serious behind all the clowns and acrobats, and follow Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey into the sunset.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sat May 19, 2018 12:33 pm

Imagine that. A fox news pundit thinks Meuller is a hyperpartisan.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Buc2 » Sat May 19, 2018 1:07 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Imagine that. A fox news pundit thinks Meuller is a hyperpartisan.

No thinking to it. It's all there in wonderful black and white.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Ken Carson » Sat May 19, 2018 1:44 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Imagine that. A fox news pundit thinks Meuller is a hyperpartisan.

I don’t think Mueller is partisan. However, it is hard to argue that the investigative team is nonpartisan.

That said, I am sure there are scores of Republican lawyers who would certainly *never* feed a sittin Republican President information about an ongoing investigation into his election...
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Brazen331 » Sat May 19, 2018 5:26 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Imagine that. A fox news pundit thinks Meuller is a hyperpartisan.


Please. If Bernie was President and Mueller was going on a witch hunt against him with an entirely Republican prosecutorial team you would be screaming bloody murder.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby mdb1958 » Sun May 20, 2018 12:20 am

MB, no matter how its buttered up now - the fact is mdb was right. The sad thing is no matter how brightly you hit it with the spotlight millions were missing this. Sadly many still wont own it.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby The Outsider » Sun May 20, 2018 3:07 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/us/p ... zamel.html

By Mark Mazzetti, Ronen Bergman and David D. Kirkpatrick
May 19, 2018

WASHINGTON — Three months before the 2016 election, a small group gathered at Trump Tower to meet with Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son. One was an Israeli specialist in social media manipulation. Another was an emissary for two wealthy Arab princes. The third was a Republican donor with a controversial past in the Middle East as a private security contractor.

The meeting was convened primarily to offer help to the Trump team, and it forged relationships between the men and Trump insiders that would develop over the coming months — past the election and well into President Trump’s first year in office, according to several people with knowledge of their encounters.

Erik Prince, the private security contractor and the former head of Blackwater, arranged the meeting, which took place on Aug. 3, 2016. The emissary, George Nader, told Donald Trump Jr. that the princes who led Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were eager to help his father win election as president. The social media specialist, Joel Zamel, extolled his company’s ability to give an edge to a political campaign; by that time, the firm had already drawn up a multimillion-dollar proposal for a social media manipulation effort to help elect Mr. Trump.

The company, which employed several Israeli former intelligence officers, specialized in collecting information and shaping opinion through social media.

It is unclear whether such a proposal was executed, and the details of who commissioned it remain in dispute. But Donald Trump Jr. responded approvingly, according to a person with knowledge of the meeting, and after those initial offers of help, Mr. Nader was quickly embraced as a close ally by Trump campaign advisers — meeting frequently with Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, and Michael T. Flynn, who became the president’s first national security adviser. At the time, Mr. Nader was also promoting a secret plan to use private contractors to destabilize Iran, the regional nemesis of Saudi Arabia and the Emirates.

After Mr. Trump was elected, Mr. Nader paid Mr. Zamel a large sum of money, described by one associate as up to $2 million. There are conflicting accounts of the reason for the payment, but among other things, a company linked to Mr. Zamel provided Mr. Nader with an elaborate presentation about the significance of social media campaigning to Mr. Trump’s victory.

The meetings, which have not been reported previously, are the first indication that countries other than Russia may have offered assistance to the Trump campaign in the months before the presidential election. The interactions are a focus of the investigation by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, who was originally tasked with examining possible Trump campaign coordination with Russia in the election.

Mr. Nader is cooperating with the inquiry, and investigators have questioned numerous witnesses in Washington, New York, Atlanta, Tel Aviv and elsewhere about what foreign help may have been pledged or accepted, and about whether any such assistance was coordinated with Russia, according to witnesses and others with knowledge of the interviews.

The interviews, some in recent weeks, are further evidence that special counsel’s investigation remains in an intense phase even as Mr. Trump’s lawyers are publicly calling for Mr. Mueller to bring it to a close.

It is illegal for foreign governments or individuals to be involved in American elections, and it is unclear what — if any — direct assistance Saudi Arabia and the Emirates may have provided. But two people familiar with the meetings said that Trump campaign officials did not appear bothered by the idea of cooperation with foreigners.

A lawyer for Donald Trump Jr., Alan Futerfas, said in a statement that “prior to the 2016 election, Donald Trump Jr. recalls a meeting with Erik Prince, George Nader and another individual who may be Joel Zamel. They pitched Mr. Trump Jr. on a social media platform or marketing strategy. He was not interested and that was the end of it.”

The August 2016 meeting has echoes of another Trump Tower meeting two months earlier, also under scrutiny by the special counsel, when Donald Trump Jr. and other top campaign aides met with a Russian lawyer after being promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton. No evidence has emerged suggesting that the August meeting was set up with a similar premise.

The revelations about the meetings come in the midst of new scrutiny about ties between Mr. Trump’s advisers and at least three wealthy Persian Gulf states. Besides his interest in Saudi Arabia and the Emirates, Mr. Mueller has also been asking witnesses about meetings between White House advisers and representatives of Qatar, Saudi Arabia’s bitter rival.

A lawyer for Mr. Zamel denied that his client had carried out any campaign on Mr. Trump’s behalf. “Neither Joel Zamel, nor any of his related entities, had any involvement whatsoever in the U.S. election campaign,” said the lawyer, Marc L. Mukasey.

“The D.O.J. clarified from Day 1 that Joel and his companies have never been a target of the investigation. My client provided full cooperation to the government to assist with their investigation,” he said.

Kathryn Ruemmler, a lawyer for Mr. Nader, said, “Mr. Nader has fully cooperated with the special counsel’s investigation and will continue to do so.” A senior official in Saudi Arabia said it had never employed Mr. Nader in any capacity or authorized him to speak for the crown prince.

Mr. Prince, through a spokesman, declined to comment. The White House did not respond to a request for comment.
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Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan of Abu Dhabi, the de facto ruler of the United Arab Emirates, and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia, the king’s main adviser, had long opposed many of the Obama administration’s policies toward the Middle East. They resented President Barack Obama’s agreement with Iran over its nuclear program, his statements of support for the Arab Spring uprisings and his hands-off approach to the Syrian civil war.

News outlets linked to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates fiercely criticized Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Trump’s Democratic opponent, when she was secretary of state, and diplomats familiar with their thinking say both princes hoped for a president who would take a stronger hand in the region against both Iran and groups like the Muslim Brotherhood.

Mr. Nader had worked for years as a close adviser to Crown Prince Mohammed of Abu Dhabi, and Mr. Zamel had worked for the Emirati royal court as a consultant as well. When Mr. Trump locked up the Republican presidential nomination in early 2016, Mr. Nader began making inquiries on behalf of the Emirati prince about possible ways to directly support Mr. Trump, according to three people with whom Mr. Nader discussed his efforts.

Mr. Nader also visited Moscow at least twice during the presidential campaign as a confidential emissary from Crown Prince Mohammed of Abu Dhabi, according to people familiar with his travels. After the election, he worked with the crown prince to arrange a meeting in the Seychelles between Mr. Prince and a financier close to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

Companies connected to Mr. Zamel also have ties to Russia. One of his firms had previously worked for oligarchs linked to Mr. Putin, including Oleg V. Deripaska and Dmitry Rybolovlev, who hired the firm for online campaigns against their business rivals.

Mr. Deripaska, an aluminum magnate, was once in business with the former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who has pleaded not guilty in the special counsel investigation to charges of financial crimes and failing to disclose the lobbying work he did on behalf of a former president of Ukraine, an ally of Mr. Putin. Mr. Rybolovlev once purchased a Florida mansion from Mr. Trump.

Mr. Nader’s visits to Russia and the work Mr. Zamel’s companies did for the Russians have both been a subject of interest to the special counsel’s investigators, according to people familiar with witness interviews.

A String of Meetings

Mr. Zamel and Mr. Nader were together at a Midtown Manhattan hotel at about 4 p.m. on the afternoon of Aug. 3 when Mr. Nader received a call from Mr. Prince summoning them to Trump Tower. When they arrived, Stephen Miller, a top campaign aide who is now a White House adviser, was in Donald Trump Jr.’s office as well, according to the people familiar with the meeting.

Mr. Prince is a longtime Republican donor and the brother of Betsy DeVos, the education secretary, and Mr. Prince and Mr. Nader had known each other since Mr. Nader had worked for Blackwater as a business agent in Iraq in the years after the American invasion. Mr. Prince has longstanding ties to the Emirates, and has frequently done business with Crown Prince Mohammed.

Mr. Prince opened the meeting by telling Donald Trump Jr. that “we are working hard for your father,” in reference to his family and other donors, according to a person familiar with the meeting. He then introduced Mr. Nader as an old friend with deep ties to Arab leaders.

Mr. Nader repeatedly referred to the Saudi and Emirati princes as “my friends,” according to one person with knowledge of the conversation. To underscore the point, he would open his mobile phone to show off pictures of him posing with them, some of which The New York Times obtained.

Mr. Nader explained to Donald Trump Jr. that the two princes saw the elder Mr. Trump as a strong leader who would fill the power vacuum that they believed Mr. Obama had left in the Middle East, and Mr. Nader went on to say that he and his friends would be glad to support Mr. Trump as much as they could, according to the person with knowledge of the conversation.

Mr. Zamel, for his part, laid out the capabilities of his online media company, although it is unclear whether he referred to the proposals his company had already prepared. One person familiar with the meeting said that Mr. Nader invited Donald Trump Jr. to meet with a Saudi prince — an invitation the younger Mr. Trump declined. After about half an hour, everyone exchanged business cards.

“There was a brief meeting, nothing concrete was offered or pitched to anyone and nothing came of it,” said Mr. Mukasey, the lawyer for Mr. Zamel.

By then, a company connected to Mr. Zamel had been working on a proposal for a covert multimillion-dollar online manipulation campaign to help elect Mr. Trump, according to three people involved and a fourth briefed on the effort. The plan involved using thousands of fake social media accounts to promote Mr. Trump’s candidacy on platforms like Facebook.

There were concerns inside the company, Psy-Group, about the plan’s legality, according to one person familiar with the effort. The company, whose motto is “shape reality,” consulted an American law firm, and was told that it would be illegal if any non-Americans were involved in the effort.

Mr. Zamel, the founder of Psy-Group and one of its owners, has been questioned about the August 2016 meeting by investigators for the special counsel, and at least two F.B.I. agents working on the inquiry have traveled to Israel to interview employees of the company who worked on the proposal. According to one person, the special counsel’s team has worked with the Israeli police to seize the computers of one of Mr. Zamel’s companies, which is currently in liquidation.

In the hectic final weeks of the campaign and during the presidential transition, several of Mr. Trump’s advisers drew Mr. Nader close. He met often with Mr. Kushner, Mr. Flynn and Stephen K. Bannon, who took over as campaign chairman after Mr. Manafort resigned amid revelations about his work in Ukraine.

In December 2016, Mr. Nader turned again to an internet company linked to Mr. Zamel — WhiteKnight, based in the Philippines — to purchase a presentation demonstrating the impact of social media campaigns on Mr. Trump’s electoral victory. Asked about the purchase, a representative of WhiteKnight said: “WhiteKnight delivers premium research and high-end business development services for prestigious clients around the world. WhiteKnight does not talk about any of its clients.”

After the inauguration, both Mr. Zamel and Mr. Nader visited the White House, meeting with Mr. Kushner and Mr. Bannon.

At that time, Mr. Nader was promoting a plan to use private contractors to carry out economic sabotage against Iran that, he hoped, might coerce it to permanently abandon its nuclear program. The plan included efforts to deter Western companies from investing in Iran, and operations to sow mistrust among Iranian officials. He advocated the project, which he estimated would cost about $300 million, to American, Emirati and Saudi officials.

Last spring, Mr. Nader traveled to Riyadh for meetings with senior Saudi military and intelligence officials to pitch his Iran sabotage plan. He was convinced, according to several people familiar with his plan, that economic warfare was the key to the overthrow of the government in Tehran. One person briefed on Mr. Nader’s activities said he tried to persuade Mr. Kushner to endorse the plan to Crown Prince Mohammed in person on a trip to Riyadh, although it was unclear whether the message was delivered.

Asked about Mr. Nader’s plans to attack Iran, the senior Saudi official said Mr. Nader had a habit of pitching proposals that went nowhere.

Mr. Nader was also in discussions with Mr. Prince, the former head of Blackwater, about a plan to get the Saudis to pay $2 billion to set up a private army to combat Iranian proxy forces in Yemen.

Since entering the White House, Mr. Trump has allied himself closely with Saudi Arabia and the Emirates. His first overseas trip was to Riyadh. He strongly backed Saudi and Emirati efforts to isolate their neighbor Qatar, another American ally, even over apparent disagreement from the State and Defense Departments.

This month, Mr. Trump also withdrew from an Obama administration nuclear deal with Iran that both Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates had campaigned against for years, delivering them their biggest victory yet from his administration.

Mark Mazzetti reported from Washington, Ronen Bergman from Tel Aviv and David D. Kirkpatrick from London. Maggie Haberman contributed reporting.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun May 20, 2018 7:23 pm

I wouldn't be surprised at all.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby The Outsider » Sun May 20, 2018 9:06 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:I wouldn't be surprised at all.


When it's a legitimate investigation, the Trump Whitehouse has ways of shutting that down.

Edit: Thanks, Todd!
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Brazen331 » Sun May 20, 2018 9:47 pm

Does this mean we can finally stop obsessing over the meeting with the Russia child-adoption attorney now and stop beating that dead horse?

I hope Saudi Arabia becomes the new Russia. A change in scenery is long overdue.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby WalterGronkite » Sun May 20, 2018 9:53 pm

Brennon better get a good lawyer
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby The Outsider » Sun May 20, 2018 11:22 pm

ITT: Far Right Conservatives claim partisan hackery, are incapable of understanding the Special Counsel's mandate, and last but not least are totally ignorant of the law.

Par for the course.

Oh by the way, since we're on the topic of witch hunts this weekend, let's play spot the witch hunt!

1. The GOP spends over $100 million dollars investigating the Clintons over 20 years and gets zero indictments.

2. The Special Counsel investigating the Trump campaign gets 22 indictments in 12 months.


Alright ladies and gentlemen, SPOT! THE! WITCH! HUNT!
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby The Outsider » Sun May 20, 2018 11:25 pm

Brazen331 wrote:Does this mean we can finally stop obsessing over the meeting with the Russia child-adoption attorney now and stop beating that dead horse?

I hope Saudi Arabia becomes the new Russia. A change in scenery is long overdue.


Translation from Batshit to English: Guys! It's totally okay now! How could daddy collide with Russia if he also colluded with Saudi Arabia at the same time?


Answer: It's espionage, jackass. Daddy Trump is only worried about his wallet. He'll take his money from anywhere.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby RedLeader » Sun May 20, 2018 11:52 pm

The Outsider wrote:ITT: Far Right Conservatives claim partisan hackery, are incapable of understanding the Special Counsel's mandate, and last but not least are totally ignorant of the law.

Par for the course.

Oh by the way, since we're on the topic of witch hunts this weekend, let's play spot the witch hunt!

1. The GOP spends over $100 million dollars investigating the Clintons over 20 years and gets zero indictments.

2. The Special Counsel investigating the Trump campaign gets 22 indictments in 12 months.


Alright ladies and gentlemen, SPOT! THE! WITCH! HUNT!


You’re totally right, dude.





Should be any.. moment.. now..






Aaaany moment.








Just wait.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby mdb1958 » Mon May 21, 2018 2:22 am

So, getting on twitter and saying fake news and crooked Hillary won him the election.

For three months.

Brilliant!


Now just wonder why the FBI was leaking all this info and why they were following it in the first place. I bet these three famous writers have already received huge increases in their bank accounts.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Ken Carson » Mon May 21, 2018 7:17 am

The Outsider wrote:ITT: Far Right Conservatives claim partisan hackery, are incapable of understanding the Special Counsel's mandate, and last but not least are totally ignorant of the law.

Par for the course.

Oh by the way, since we're on the topic of witch hunts this weekend, let's play spot the witch hunt!

1. The GOP spends over $100 million dollars investigating the Clintons over 20 years and gets zero indictments.

2. The Special Counsel investigating the Trump campaign gets 22 indictments in 12 months.


Alright ladies and gentlemen, SPOT! THE! WITCH! HUNT!

Just to be clear, you think the Clintons are free of wrongdoing?
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Buc2 » Mon May 21, 2018 8:27 am

Stopping Robert Mueller to protect us all
BY MARK PENN, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 05/20/18 07:00 PM EDT
Mark Penn served as pollster and adviser to President Clinton from 1995 to 2000, including during his impeachment. He is chairman of the Harris Poll and author of “Microtrends Squared.” Follow him on Twitter @Mark_Penn.
http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/38 ... ect-us-all

The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton “matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done. It is hard to see how a year-long investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.

With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.

But it is backfiring. They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That’s left out of their narrative. Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation. You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop. This wasn’t intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.

In no way would a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor justify wholesale targeting of four or five members of the Trump campaign. It took Christopher Steele, with his funding concealed through false campaign filings, to be incredibly successful at creating a vast echo chamber around his unverified, fanciful dossier, bouncing it back and forth between the press and the FBI so it appeared that there were multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion.

Time and time again, investigators came up empty. Even several sting operations with an FBI spy we just learned about failed to produce a Delorean-like video with cash on the table. But rather than close the probe, the deep state just expanded it. All they had were a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself, yet they pressed forward. Egged on by Steele, they simply believed Trump and his team must be dirty. They just needed to dig deep enough.

Perhaps the murkiest event in the timeline is Rod Rosenstein’s appointment of a special counsel after he personally recommended Comey’s firing in blistering terms. With Attorney General Jeff Sessions shoved out of the way, Rosenstein and Mueller then ignored their own conflicts and took charge anyway. Rosenstein is a fact witness, and Mueller is a friend of Comey, disqualifying them both.

Flush with 16 prosecutors, including a former lawyer for the Clinton Foundation, and an undisclosed budget, the Mueller investigation has been a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration and now, if it was not Russia, maybe it’s some other country.

The president’s earlier legal team was naive in believing that, when Mueller found nothing, he would just end it. Instead, the less investigators found, the more determined and expansive they became. This president and his team now are on a better road to put appropriate limits on all this.

This process must now be stopped, preferably long before a vote in the Senate. Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again.

Its prosecutions have all been principally to pressure witnesses with unrelated charges and threats to family, or just for a public relations effect, like the indictment of Russian internet trolls. Unfortunately, just like the Doomsday Machine in “Dr. Strangelove” that was supposed to save the world but instead destroys it, the Mueller investigation comes with no “off” switch: You can’t fire Mueller. He needs to be defeated, like Ken Starr, the independent counsel who investigated President Clinton.

Finding the “off” switch will not be easy. Step one here is for the Justice Department inspector general report to knock Comey out of the witness box. Next, the full origins of the investigation and its lack of any real intelligence needs to come out in the open. The attorney general, himself the target of a secret investigation, needs to take back his Justice Department. Sessions needs to act quickly, along with U.S. Attorney John Huber, appointed to conduct an internal review of the FBI, on the Comey and McCabe matters following the inspector general report, and then announce an expanded probe into other abuses of power.

The president’s lawyers need to extend their new aggressiveness from words to action, filing complaints with Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility on the failure of Mueller and Rosenstein to recuse themselves, and going into court to question the tactics of the special counsel, from selective prosecutions on unrelated matters, illegally seizing Government Services Administration emails, covering up the phone texts of FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and operating without a scope approved by the attorney general. (The regulations call for the attorney general to recuse himself from the investigation but appear to still leave him responsible for the scope.)

The final stopper may be the president himself, offering two hours of testimony, perhaps even televised live from the White House. The last time America became obsessed with Russian influence in America was the McCarthy hearings in the 1950s. Those ended only when Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R-Wis.) attacked an associate of the U.S. Army counsel, Joseph Welch, and Welch famously responded: “Sir, have you no decency?” In this case, virtually every associate and family member of the president has been subject to smears conveniently leaked to the press.

Stopping Mueller isn’t about one president or one party. It’s about all presidents and all parties. It’s about cleaning out and reforming the deep state so that our intelligence operations are never used against opposing campaigns without the firmest of evidence. It’s about letting people work for campaigns and administrations without needing legal defense funds. It’s about relying on our elections to decide our differences.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby bucfanclw » Mon May 21, 2018 8:53 am

I've never seen such a large group of people so consumed with trying to put a halt to an investigation. Here's all the possible outcomes I can come up with as a result of the thorough investigation:

1: There is no evidence of improper activity to be found to back up the various testimonies and this gets put to bed.
2: Evidence is falsified or obtained illegally which won't stand up in court and the witch hunt crowd would be able to celebrate.
3: There actually is evidence, it was obtained legally, and many people from the administration end up getting sentenced.

While I know option 3 is not ideal for the Trump defenders here, if you really feel his campaign is innocent and this is all just a witch hunt then the first 2 options don't seem like something to be afraid of.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby The Outsider » Mon May 21, 2018 9:51 am

Ken Carson wrote:
The Outsider wrote:ITT: Far Right Conservatives claim partisan hackery, are incapable of understanding the Special Counsel's mandate, and last but not least are totally ignorant of the law.

Par for the course.

Oh by the way, since we're on the topic of witch hunts this weekend, let's play spot the witch hunt!

1. The GOP spends over $100 million dollars investigating the Clintons over 20 years and gets zero indictments.

2. The Special Counsel investigating the Trump campaign gets 22 indictments in 12 months.


Alright ladies and gentlemen, SPOT! THE! WITCH! HUNT!

Just to be clear, you think the Clintons are free of wrongdoing?


No.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby RedLeader » Mon May 21, 2018 10:29 pm

The Outsider wrote:
Ken Carson wrote:Just to be clear, you think the Clintons are free of wrongdoing?


No.


Lol.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Brazen331 » Mon May 21, 2018 11:58 pm

The Outsider wrote:ITT: Far Right Conservatives claim partisan hackery, are incapable of understanding the Special Counsel's mandate, and last but not least are totally ignorant of the law.

Par for the course.

Oh by the way, since we're on the topic of witch hunts this weekend, let's play spot the witch hunt!

1. The GOP spends over $100 million dollars investigating the Clintons over 20 years and gets zero indictments.

2. The Special Counsel investigating the Trump campaign gets 22 indictments in 12 months.


Alright ladies and gentlemen, SPOT! THE! WITCH! HUNT!


Mueller’s wishing he did 21 indictments now after someone actually showed up in court.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby mdb1958 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:37 am

Unless you want to be disqualified, dont turn in a flawed scorecard.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby The Outsider » Tue May 22, 2018 4:20 pm

Brazen331 wrote:
The Outsider wrote:ITT: Far Right Conservatives claim partisan hackery, are incapable of understanding the Special Counsel's mandate, and last but not least are totally ignorant of the law.

Par for the course.

Oh by the way, since we're on the topic of witch hunts this weekend, let's play spot the witch hunt!

1. The GOP spends over $100 million dollars investigating the Clintons over 20 years and gets zero indictments.

2. The Special Counsel investigating the Trump campaign gets 22 indictments in 12 months.


Alright ladies and gentlemen, SPOT! THE! WITCH! HUNT!


Mueller’s wishing he did 21 indictments now after someone actually showed up in court.


You cling to the latest talking point like a starving infant to it's mother's teat.
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Re: CIA and FBI: Russia Interfered in US Election

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue May 22, 2018 4:28 pm

The Outsider wrote:
You cling to the latest talking point like a starving infant to it's mother's teat.




are you new to the thread? that's about 98% of what is posted in here


this entire thread is CNN and Fox talking points
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