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Re: Ideology

Postby The Outsider » Wed May 09, 2018 9:37 am

Zarniwoop wrote:Thanks for the follow up but I’m sorry I still don’t understand. I guess I’m a thickie. I never said anything about your personal beliefs in this thread.

From your posts I would absolutely say your social beliefs are against government intervention in many social issues.


My point is simply about the creators of that chart using a term libertarian and it seemingly only applying to social ideas and implying it has an orthogonal relationship with economic views. I think that’s a silly use of the term. That being said, I can’t think of a better one.


And if we really want to get into nuance, I think that quiz did an incomplete job of asking about what it calls libertarian social views. It just asked questions that focused on the traditional bible thumper views of oppressive social gov’t. It didn’t ask about the ever growing oppressive social gov’t intervention views of the PC crowd


I think I misread the intent and context of your post. Though I do agree that it didn't represent the overreaching social stuff the left wants to do. I'd have voted negatively on the vast majority of that **** as well.
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Re: Ideology

Postby beardmcdoug » Wed May 09, 2018 10:54 am

DreadNaught wrote:
beardmcdoug wrote:Did this one about 5 years ago and about two years ago. Went from “Outsider” to “Dreadnaught” in that time span.

I have a few issues with the quiz in terns if it being it an accurate representation. This like the range of the questions, scoring scale, nor the wording (using absolutes like "never" or "always").

That said I think Outtie and I scored relatively close. Same quadrant and along the same axis from the dead center.

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Yeah, y’all definitely scored similar, like I was saying though, I started off more left and more libertarian like outtie, and then came more center and less “libertarian”, to put me where you are - and now I’ve stayed about that left but have become a little bit more “authoritarian” in my beliefs - which I think reflects what I’ve said on this board over the past couple years and it’s interesting to see that also reflected in my latest test



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Re: Ideology

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed May 09, 2018 11:25 am

Got the day off so I'm on my phone. Figured I'd wait until I could post the resul image.


Besides, y'all know I'm all about that top left corner.
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Re: Ideology

Postby DreadNaught » Wed May 09, 2018 11:28 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Got the day off so I'm on my phone. Figured I'd wait until I could post the resul image.


Besides, y'all know I'm all about that top left corner.


I don't presume to know how you think. ;)
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Re: Ideology

Postby bucfanclw » Wed May 09, 2018 11:30 am

Some of the wording of the questions was a bit ambiguous (How much more is considered "much more"), but here's my graph.

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Re: Ideology

Postby DreadNaught » Wed May 09, 2018 12:07 pm

So on the other quiz I was about the same. This one had me slightly less libertarian and about the same left.

"Center-Left Moderate Social Libertarian"

Left - 2.86
Libertarian - 1.31

So that's two different quizzes with different sets of questions that I scored pretty much the same on. My guess is that my pro-gay stance on issues puts me on the left according these quizzes.
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Re: Ideology

Postby Buc2 » Wed May 09, 2018 12:12 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Got the day off so I'm on my phone. Figured I'd wait until I could post the resul image.


Besides, y'all know I'm all about that top left corner.

My guess for you, as a born again liberal, is that you'll come in close to or a slightly above center on the vertical axis and 3/4 or more of the way left of center on the horizontal axis.
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Re: Ideology

Postby Stuart » Wed May 09, 2018 1:19 pm

do unto others as you would have done unto you
if you cant say anything nice don't say anything at all
keep your friends close and your enemies closer

if you've done the right thing, yet someone crosses you, bury their a$$!
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Re: Ideology

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed May 09, 2018 1:38 pm

Taking a break from grading finals...I have created a graph of MY IMPRESSION of people on this board (and a few from old boards to help give anchors in corners). If you consider yourself very far from where I have put you, I don't claim to know you better than you know yourself...your opinion of yourself is clearly better than mine. If you are not included in this scale (guys like Selmon, PM, etc, I simply don't know enough to make even a wild guess -- which literally most of these are).

I don't like the questions from the quizzes we took, so I'm using my own scoring system

Here are the important things I consider when scoring...my graphs are EXCLUSIVELY looking at what people think the role of gov't (and to a smaller degree community in general) is in social and economic settings - does it have a "high" role or "low" role. The chart gives no VALUE as to whether I think that gov't intervention is right or wrong...as most of you probably know, I believe gov't has very strong responsibilities in breaking up monopolies, protecting constitutional rights, protecting the border, etc. I have what I think is the "ideal" place on the graph, but I can tell you this for certain, it it certainly isn't in any corner of the graph. Also, I don't consider people in any quadrant any better/worse than others. I think I have a very good intrawebs relationship with most people on this graph regardless of their political views....I think the vast majority of people who post in this forum are "good people"...many of whom I'd be happy to crack a beer with.

Vertical Axis is the Social Scale
The role of gov't intervention in social life. It can take many forms. Gov't intrusion into school teaching, into defining marriage, into deciding what sexual orientations can/can't adopt, whether or not someone supports ideas of labeling speech as hate speech, role and power of police in society, role of affirmative action, role in establishing and maintaining "equality", whether any speech should be censored, whether the gov't should influence the media, gov't role in immigration, etc.

Horizontal Axis is the Economic/Business Scale
The role of government in creating a minimum wage, labor standards, individual tax rates, corporate tax rates, central banking, regulating private industry, regulating health care and coverage, influencing unemployment, role of social security, medicaid, medicare, etc.

I fully realize that there can be significant overlap between the issues...for example, social security is both a social plan and an economic plan.

Anyway, I hope this doesn't devolve...I'm doing this for fun....enjoy or dismiss as you see fit :D

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Re: Ideology

Postby bucfanclw » Wed May 09, 2018 1:47 pm

You didn't include yourself in your own graph?
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Re: Ideology

Postby beardmcdoug » Wed May 09, 2018 2:23 pm

Haha awesome zarni- you better edit that and throw your ass on there too ;)
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Re: Ideology

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed May 09, 2018 2:31 pm

Personally, I'd move me to the right a bit. Even Babe and Corsair.

I think anybody that far left on the scale would be on the fringe calling for socialist revolution.

I'd scoot brazen to the left too. He's an idiot, not a nazi.
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Re: Ideology

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed May 09, 2018 2:54 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Personally, I'd move me to the right a bit. Even Babe and Corsair.

I think anybody that far left on the scale would be on the fringe calling for socialist revolution.

I'd scoot brazen to the left too. He's an idiot, not a nazi.



I agree in your description..the edges of my graph represent those people...not the extreme position on either side...I agree we have no one at the fringe extremes....so interpret it relatively

I should have specified


From an absolute perspective, I think the the most extreme we have for anyone on any dimension would be jonny to the right side of the graph
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Re: Ideology

Postby Stuart » Wed May 09, 2018 2:59 pm

WTF???

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Re: Ideology

Postby Buc2 » Wed May 09, 2018 3:02 pm

If I'm reading the graph correctly, I think that's a fair spot for me.

I definitely feel the federal government needs to, for the most part, butt out of business. Not entirely of course. There definitely is a need for some government oversight. After all, we can't just have businesses dumping their sludge into our rivers, lakes and oceans or pumping out air pollutants like we're still in the late 19th/early 20th centuries. Reasonable business regulations only make sense. But they need to be common sense regulations that don't burden businesses unnecessarily.

Socially...again, federal government needs to mostly butt out. Let the states handle issues of education, abortion, family welfare, minimum wage, etc. If people don't like how one state does business, they can move to another state more to their liking.

Obviously, this is just surface level thinking. Thanks for the fun discussion topic.
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Re: Ideology

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed May 09, 2018 3:03 pm

beardmcdoug wrote:Haha awesome zarni- you better edit that and throw your ass on there too ;)



slightly above and to the left of Hammy...but not much
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Re: Ideology

Postby Buc2 » Wed May 09, 2018 3:05 pm

Stuart wrote:WTF???

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So you swing both ways? Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Re: Ideology

Postby uscbucsfan » Wed May 09, 2018 3:05 pm

I agree, add yourself and maybe Red Leader.

I think my position is accurate.
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Re: Ideology

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed May 09, 2018 3:07 pm

Buc2 wrote:If I'm reading the graph correctly, I think that's a fair spot for me.

I definitely feel the federal government needs to, for the most part, butt out of business. Not entirely of course. There definitely is a need for some government oversight. After all, we can't just have businesses dumping their sludge into our rivers, lakes and oceans or pumping out air pollutants like we're still in the late 19th/early 20th centuries. Reasonable business regulations only make sense. But they need to be common sense regulations that don't burden businesses unnecessarily.

Socially...again, federal government needs to mostly butt out. Let the states handle issues of education, abortion, family welfare, minimum wage, etc. If people don't like how one state does business, they can move to another state more to their liking.

Obviously, this is just surface level thinking. Thanks for the fun discussion topic.



Thanks,

I completely skipped over the landmine of federal vs. local intervention. I let it be open for people to interpret it however they wanted.

Like you, I give states tons more leeway then the federal gov't. Basically I think the federal gov't can ONLY perform its enumerated powers. However, I think states can do anything that is NOT forbidden. As such states have a much wider berth.
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Re: Ideology

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed May 09, 2018 3:11 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:I agree, add yourself and maybe Red Leader.

I think my position is accurate.



i added both of us....but honestly, RL is a harder one than many to figure out...sometimes he can be meme/quick hit heavy :P ...that's my best estimate though
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Re: Ideology

Postby Stuart » Wed May 09, 2018 3:13 pm

Buc2 wrote:
Stuart wrote:WTF???

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So you swing both ways? Not that there's anything wrong with that.



lol

was expecting more right though
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Re: Ideology

Postby Buc2 » Wed May 09, 2018 3:19 pm

Stuart wrote:
Buc2 wrote:So you swing both ways? Not that there's anything wrong with that.



lol

was expecting more right though

Well, the questions on that quiz certainly left a lot to be desired, so you may very well be more right than it depicted you.
Still, I think it gives a fair idea where one lies on the spectrum. Not sure what +/- factor I'd give it though.
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Re: Ideology

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu May 10, 2018 8:51 am

DreadNaught wrote:
beardmcdoug wrote:Did this one about 5 years ago and about two years ago. Went from “Outsider” to “Dreadnaught” in that time span.

I have a few issues with the quiz in terns if it being it an accurate representation. This like the range of the questions, scoring scale, nor the wording (using absolutes like "never" or "always").

That said I think Outtie and I scored relatively close. Same quadrant and along the same axis from the dead center.

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The Outsider wrote:Image


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Re: Ideology

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Re: Ideology

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu May 10, 2018 9:53 am

This is a much better quiz in that you can strongly disagree with something, but downplay it's importance.

Your Compass:

You are a left moderate social libertarian.
Left: 5.9, Libertarian: 2.57
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Re: Ideology

Postby The Outsider » Thu May 10, 2018 7:28 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:This is a much better quiz in that you can strongly disagree with something, but downplay it's importance.

Your Compass:

You are a left moderate social libertarian.
Left: 5.9, Libertarian: 2.57


You got a link to this quiz?


Inb4

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Re: Ideology

Postby Rocker » Thu May 10, 2018 8:10 pm

The Outsider wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:This is a much better quiz in that you can strongly disagree with something, but downplay it's importance.



You got a link to this quiz?

http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/politi ... -quiz.html
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Re: Ideology

Postby Rocker » Thu May 10, 2018 8:11 pm

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Huh.


Suck on that, guy who labeled me Vaguely Conservative Guy...
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Re: Ideology

Postby uscbucsfan » Thu May 10, 2018 8:53 pm

Exactly where Zarni had me.

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You are a right social libertarian.
Right: 6.66, Libertarian: 5.1

Does that image work for anyone else?
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Re: Ideology

Postby The Outsider » Thu May 10, 2018 9:43 pm

Rocker wrote:
The Outsider wrote:
You got a link to this quiz?

http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/politi ... -quiz.html


Thanks.

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Pretty close to what I got on the last thing.
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