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Your hope for President of our great nation: Trump or Clinton

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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby DreadNaught » Wed May 18, 2016 4:39 pm

deltbucs wrote:I can't people people are seriously trying to rationalize supporting this piece of ****.


It's pretty simple. Hillary is the other option.

Hillary was pro-Iraq war, so the 'Trump presidency will lead to war' talk I see here can be said for either candidate if we are being honest with ourselves. Trump actually spoke out against the Iraq war long before it was a popular enough opinion for Hillary to do so, even though he is on record initially supporting it.

When deciding between these two, I ask what can I expect from their presidency and how does that align on my hierarchy of issues. As much as it pains me to "support" Trump by voting for him, I can't rationalize "supporting" Hillary Clinton.

Fwiw, I support Bernie Sanders and have show that support by switching my registration to Democrat for the primary and donating to his campaign. But I will be voting for Trump in a Clinton v Trump general election.

This election cycle I'm going against the idiom 'better the devil you know than the devil you don't'.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby HamBone » Wed May 18, 2016 4:42 pm

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I completely disagree with you...the Republicans are not going to stop/slowdown any legalization.

Unless, you are refering to marijuana...then you somewhat have a point.


They will slow it down...but, it's going to be legalized eventually.

And, why shouldn't it be legal? I don't partake...but, in a controlled environment (no driving or operating machinery) I don't feel it's no worse than drinking a beer.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby Brazen331 » Wed May 18, 2016 6:10 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
deltbucs wrote:I can't people people are seriously trying to rationalize supporting this piece of ****.


It's pretty simple. Hillary is the other option.

Hillary was pro-Iraq war, so the 'Trump presidency will lead to war' talk I see here can be said for either candidate if we are being honest with ourselves. Trump actually spoke out against the Iraq war long before it was a popular enough opinion for Hillary to do so, even though he is on record initially supporting it.

When deciding between these two, I ask what can I expect from their presidency and how does that align on my hierarchy of issues. As much as it pains me to "support" Trump by voting for him, I can't rationalize "supporting" Hillary Clinton.

Fwiw, I support Bernie Sanders and have show that support by switching my registration to Democrat for the primary and donating to his campaign. But I will be voting for Trump in a Clinton v Trump general election.

This election cycle I'm going against the idiom 'better the devil you know than the devil you don't'.


It will be interesting to see how many Bernie supporters do vote for Trump. I am shocked how well Bernie did in Kentucky. This was a closed primary, no Independents, and hardly an all-white state like Oregan or Maine. To only win by like 1,800 votes after practically spending the entire prior 2 days there shows how her brand is decaying.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby NavyBuc » Wed May 18, 2016 7:06 pm

I think Trunp can sway a lot of Bernie supporters but he's gotta start being nice to Bernie. I know Trump is a "do what I think" kinda guy but he better start thinking strategy. Be nice to Bernie and get Bernie voters. Be mean to Bernie and, well, they'll prolly end up not voting or flocking to Hillary.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby DreadNaught » Thu May 19, 2016 8:19 am

NavyBuc wrote:I think Trunp can sway a lot of Bernie supporters but he's gotta start being nice to Bernie. I know Trump is a "do what I think" kinda guy but he better start thinking strategy. Be nice to Bernie and get Bernie voters. Be mean to Bernie and, well, they'll prolly end up not voting or flocking to Hillary.


I agree and I think the Trump campaign acknowledges this. Trump still takes shots at "Crazy" Bernie, but it's mixed in with some sympathy that plays into what Bernie's camp has been saying since the beginning in regards to the DNC being rigged for a Hillary nomination.

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump May 18
Bernie Sanders is being treated very badly by the Democrats - the system is rigged against him. Many of his disenfranchised fans are for me!

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump May 16
Bernie Sanders is being treated very badly by the Dems. The system is rigged against him. He should run as an independent! Run Bernie, run.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby RedLeader » Thu May 19, 2016 7:21 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
NavyBuc wrote:I think Trunp can sway a lot of Bernie supporters but he's gotta start being nice to Bernie. I know Trump is a "do what I think" kinda guy but he better start thinking strategy. Be nice to Bernie and get Bernie voters. Be mean to Bernie and, well, they'll prolly end up not voting or flocking to Hillary.


I agree and I think the Trump campaign acknowledges this. Trump still takes shots at "Crazy" Bernie, but it's mixed in with some sympathy that plays into what Bernie's camp has been saying since the beginning in regards to the DNC being rigged for a Hillary nomination.

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump May 18
Bernie Sanders is being treated very badly by the Democrats - the system is rigged against him. Many of his disenfranchised fans are for me!

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump May 16
Bernie Sanders is being treated very badly by the Dems. The system is rigged against him. He should run as an independent! Run Bernie, run.


Those tweets work for Trump on so many levels...
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby NavyBuc » Thu May 19, 2016 7:40 pm

If you're Trump, how can you not be rooting for Hillary NOT to be indicted? I actually think Hillary is Trump's ONLY chance at winning the White House. If Trump goes against Hillary, he has about a 50-50 chance of winning. Against Bernie or Biden, he likely loses. But if he runs a good campaign, and I think Manafort is a good campaign manager, he can definitely win.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby Corsair » Thu May 19, 2016 7:46 pm

The bubble is strong in here.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby Brazen331 » Thu May 19, 2016 7:55 pm

NavyBuc wrote:If you're Trump, how can you not be rooting for Hillary NOT to be indicted? I actually think Hillary is Trump's ONLY chance at winning the White House. If Trump goes against Hillary, he has about a 50-50 chance of winning. Against Bernie or Biden, he likely loses. But if he runs a good campaign, and I think Manafort is a good campaign manager, he can definitely win.


I see the polls detailing how well Bernie is doing but obviously the super delegates are not buying it. I can't really explain it either. Maybe it is the fact that Bernie has much less name recognition than Trump or Clinton and both these individuals are extremely disliked. Maybe he is seen as this nice, uncorrupt old man and most people really don't know what he stands for.

It will be interesting to see how he ends this; it will be hard as he is having the time of his life. In 1971 Bernie was kicked out of a hippie commune in Northern Vermont because he would not do any work, he just wanted to lecture everyone about Socialism. Now he gets to do this on a national scale, and has hordes of millenials fawning over him; it's going to be tough.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby francesprince » Fri May 20, 2016 12:46 am

Yeah even I am also agree with VauntedTampa2, Something G-rated: I've only met one person who will admit they're voting for Clinton.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby HamBone » Fri May 20, 2016 8:41 am

OMG...is that true?! Bernie got kicked out of a hippie commune for being lazy?!
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby DreadNaught » Fri May 20, 2016 9:58 am

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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby Brazen331 » Fri May 20, 2016 1:28 pm

HamBone wrote:OMG...is that true?! Bernie got kicked out of a hippie commune for being lazy?!

According to a forthcoming book: We Are as Gods by Kate Daloz. Evidently, once others in the commune got into his orbit and starting listening to him, they wouldn't do work either so they asked him to leave.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby Buc2 » Fri May 20, 2016 2:27 pm

According to this article about the book, it sounds more to me like he was just an invited guest there to do a story...

He was there in the middle of researching an article on natural childbirth for Movement, Liberty Union’s newspaper.

Other than working on his article, which involved interviewing a pregnant member of the commune, Sanders spent his time at Myrtle Hill in “endless political discussion,” Deloz reports. This did not go over well with the rest of the hippies, who were working the land the way folks used to do in Colonial Vermont, which meant enduring long hours of backbreaking labor. According to Daloz, one of the commune members, Craig, “resented feeling like he had to pull others out of Bernie’s orbit if any work was going to get accomplished that day.”

In the end, Sanders was told he was no longer welcome. “When Bernie had stayed for Myrtle’s allotted three days, Craig politely requested that he move on,” Daloz reports.


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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby Go_Bucs! » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:24 pm

Since my Guy Cruz is out, Trump for me.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby Corsair » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:37 pm

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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:42 am

I wonder who these 7 Hillaries are, will they stand and be recognized?
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby mightyleemoon » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:36 am

I still say the poll is invalid with only those two options. 3rd party is likely to have it's largest showing in history in this particular election.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby Zarniwoop » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:31 am

mdb1958 wrote:I wonder who these 7 Hillaries are, will they stand and be recognized?




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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby bucfanclw » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:37 am

They're both pretty embarrassing options to vote for.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:11 am

mdb1958 wrote:I wonder who these 7 Hillaries are, will they stand and be recognized?

Wasn't me.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby DreadNaught » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:19 am

I'm certainly not voting for Clinton, but I can't even be mad at those who are if their motivation is voting against Trump. It's quite difficult to be more disliked than Hillary Clinton. Yet the GOP/Trump have managed to pull it of. Often times people vote out of fear (or don't vote at all) when they are not inspired.

Now if someone is really advocating for Hillary based on her platform then that would be an interesting discussion. But I've yet to meet a real Hillary supporter willing to have a dialogue defending their belief in her candidacy that goes beyond "she's a woman, she's NOT Trump, she's the democratic nominee". It's a sad and unfortunate truth that those reasons might be enough to win the presidency in 2016.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:00 pm

The devil you know vs. The devil you don't know.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby mightyleemoon » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:34 pm

I'm certainly not voting for Trump, but I can't even be mad at those who are if their motivation is voting against Clinton. It's quite difficult to be more disliked than Donald Trump. Yet the Dems/Clinton have managed to pull it of. Often times people vote out of fear (or don't vote at all) when they are not inspired.

Now if someone is really advocating for Trump based on his platform then that would be an interesting discussion. But I've yet to meet a real Trump supporter willing to have a dialogue defending their belief in his candidacy that goes beyond "He's not a Muslim, He's NOT Clinton, he's the Republican nominee". It's a sad and unfortunate truth that those reasons might be enough to win the presidency in 2016.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby DreadNaught » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:47 pm

mightyleemoon wrote:I'm certainly not voting for Trump, but I can't even be mad at those who are if their motivation is voting against Clinton. It's quite difficult to be more disliked than Donald Trump. Yet the Dems/Clinton have managed to pull it of. Often times people vote out of fear (or don't vote at all) when they are not inspired.

Now if someone is really advocating for Trump based on his platform then that would be an interesting discussion. But I've yet to meet a real Trump supporter willing to have a dialogue defending their belief in his candidacy that goes beyond "He's not a Muslim, He's NOT Clinton, he's the Republican nominee". It's a sad and unfortunate truth that those reasons might be enough to win the presidency in 2016.


Huh? First, Trump IS more disliked than Clinton (based on national polling data). Secondly, there are quite a few here that have advocated for Trump. Hillary?? Not so much. Even folks like delt, Corsair, bucfanclw,etc that might vote for Hillary (against Trump) still don't advocate for her.

But voting out of fear does work both ways, if that was the point you were trying to make.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby mightyleemoon » Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:02 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
mightyleemoon wrote:I'm certainly not voting for Trump, but I can't even be mad at those who are if their motivation is voting against Clinton. It's quite difficult to be more disliked than Donald Trump. Yet the Dems/Clinton have managed to pull it of. Often times people vote out of fear (or don't vote at all) when they are not inspired.

Now if someone is really advocating for Trump based on his platform then that would be an interesting discussion. But I've yet to meet a real Trump supporter willing to have a dialogue defending their belief in his candidacy that goes beyond "He's not a Muslim, He's NOT Clinton, he's the Republican nominee". It's a sad and unfortunate truth that those reasons might be enough to win the presidency in 2016.


Huh? First, Trump IS more disliked than Clinton (based on national polling data). Secondly, there are quite a few here that have advocated for Trump. Hillary?? Not so much. Even folks like delt, Corsair, bucfanclw,etc that might vote for Hillary (against Trump) still don't advocate for her.

But voting out of fear does work both ways, if that was the point you were trying to make.


There's a fuckton of people out there who advocate for Hillary. Actual. ****. Ton. Maybe not in the group of 40 conservatives that participate on this board. But, if you're gauging the pulse of American politics via this forum...then I have some bad news for you.

By this logic, my facebook feed pretty much locks in literally zero people in America who support Trump or his policies. Meanwhile, roughly 30 percent are voting against Trump. 30 percent were Bernie supporters who will support the next best thing...since that candidate supports things like abortions and gay rights. And 30 percent are people who have been banging the drum for Hillary for a long time.

The final 10 percent are people like myself who don't see the point in voting for a lesser evil when both options make my testicles seek refuge in my stomach. I'll go ahead and punch that Johnson ticket one more time.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby NavyBuc » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:14 pm

Any word on whether Johnson will partake in the debates? I've seen him polling in double digits in a few national polls. I would think they'd have to let him partake in the debates if his poll numbers continue to be where they're at. People are looking desperately for an alternative.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby RedLeader » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:13 pm

mightyleemoon wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
Huh? First, Trump IS more disliked than Clinton (based on national polling data). Secondly, there are quite a few here that have advocated for Trump. Hillary?? Not so much. Even folks like delt, Corsair, bucfanclw,etc that might vote for Hillary (against Trump) still don't advocate for her.

But voting out of fear does work both ways, if that was the point you were trying to make.


There's a fuckton of people out there who advocate for Hillary. Actual. ****. Ton. Maybe not in the group of 40 conservatives that participate on this board. But, if you're gauging the pulse of American politics via this forum...then I have some bad news for you.

By this logic, my facebook feed pretty much locks in literally zero people in America who support Trump or his policies. Meanwhile, roughly 30 percent are voting against Trump. 30 percent were Bernie supporters who will support the next best thing...since that candidate supports things like abortions and gay rights. And 30 percent are people who have been banging the drum for Hillary for a long time.

The final 10 percent are people like myself who don't see the point in voting for a lesser evil when both options make my testicles seek refuge in my stomach. I'll go ahead and punch that Johnson ticket one more time.


To be fair, I believe DN was responding to mgd's challenge to the Hillary "supporters" on this board.





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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby Wesmon » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:38 pm

NavyBuc wrote:Any word on whether Johnson will partake in the debates? I've seen him polling in double digits in a few national polls. I would think they'd have to let him partake in the debates if his poll numbers continue to be where they're at. People are looking desperately for an alternative.


The magic number for debate inclusion is supposedly 15% in five national polls but I'm sure they would find an excuse to exclude him even if he was able to meet the threshold.
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Re: Trump or Clinton

Postby Brazen331 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:58 pm

mightyleemoon wrote:I'm certainly not voting for Trump, but I can't even be mad at those who are if their motivation is voting against Clinton. It's quite difficult to be more disliked than Donald Trump. Yet the Dems/Clinton have managed to pull it of. Often times people vote out of fear (or don't vote at all) when they are not inspired.

Now if someone is really advocating for Trump based on his platform then that would be an interesting discussion. But I've yet to meet a real Trump supporter willing to have a dialogue defending their belief in his candidacy that goes beyond "He's not a Muslim, He's NOT Clinton, he's the Republican nominee". It's a sad and unfortunate truth that those reasons might be enough to win the presidency in 2016.


Do you often meet Trump supporters who tell you they are voting for Trump because he is not a Muslim? The next time you run into one of these people, just tell them that as long as they don't live in the 5th Congressional District of Minnesota, they can pretty much feel confident in pulling the lever for anyone on the ballot, there's no need to limit themselves.
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