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Re: Random Political News

Postby deltbucs » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:29 am

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Re: Random Political News

Postby deltbucs » Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:32 am

Brazen331 wrote:Maybe this is a time for Democrats to look inwards, examine themselves, and plan a course of action for positive improvement?

When voters look at a Democrat and a pedophile and decide the pedophile might be the lesser of 2 evils...do Democrats bear no responsibility here?

You've let team politics turn you into a clown. You Trump-loving snowflakes always want to blame all of your problems on someone else.
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Re: Random Political News

Postby Brazen331 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:21 am

deltbucs wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:Maybe this is a time for Democrats to look inwards, examine themselves, and plan a course of action for positive improvement?

When voters look at a Democrat and a pedophile and decide the pedophile might be the lesser of 2 evils...do Democrats bear no responsibility here?

You've let team politics turn you into a clown. You Trump-loving snowflakes always want to blame all of your problems on someone else.


When I was a kid, way back in the early 90's, Alabama had 2 Democrat Senators. Now, they find a pedophile preferable to a Democrat. So Delt, what did you and your ilk do to the people of Alabama for them to have such a low opinion of you?
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Re: Random Political News

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:29 am

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Re: Random Political News

Postby deltbucs » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:43 am

Brazen331 wrote:
deltbucs wrote:You've let team politics turn you into a clown. You Trump-loving snowflakes always want to blame all of your problems on someone else.


When I was a kid, way back in the early 90's, Alabama had 2 Democrat Senators. Now, they find a pedophile preferable to a Democrat. So Delt, what did you and your ilk do to the people of Alabama for them to have such a low opinion of you?

My ilk? You think I'm a democrat? LOL!! Thanks for proving my point. Do anything you can to defend your team....you'd literally rather point fingers at the other team than denounce a pedophile. That's what you've come to, because all care about is what jersey the corrupt thieves, sociopaths, and pedophiles wear. You're a puppet....a sheep...a lemming.
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Re: Random Political News

Postby deltbucs » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:45 am

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Re: Random Political News

Postby Brazen331 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:52 am

deltbucs wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
When I was a kid, way back in the early 90's, Alabama had 2 Democrat Senators. Now, they find a pedophile preferable to a Democrat. So Delt, what did you and your ilk do to the people of Alabama for them to have such a low opinion of you?

My ilk? You think I'm a democrat? LOL!! Thanks for proving my point. Do anything you can to defend your team....you'd literally rather point fingers at the other team than denounce a pedophile. That's what you've come to, because all care about is what jersey the corrupt thieves, sociopaths, and pedophiles wear. You're a puppet....a sheep...a lemming.


Is that what I'm doing? Supporting my team? Supporting pedophiles? You sure your reading comprehension is up to snuff?
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Re: Random Political News

Postby bucfanclw » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:59 am

Brazen331 wrote:
deltbucs wrote:You've let team politics turn you into a clown. You Trump-loving snowflakes always want to blame all of your problems on someone else.


When I was a kid, way back in the early 90's, Alabama had 2 Democrat Senators. Now, they find a pedophile preferable to a Democrat. So Delt, what did you and your ilk do to the people of Alabama for them to have such a low opinion of you?

Considering the state manages to sit near the bottom in almost every ranking category with decades of being a deep red state, I don't think you can really point the finger at the Dems. I do have to admit, you guys have been getting pretty damn creative with your finger pointing. I guess you have to really go back to the well to figure out how to cover for a pedophile.
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Re: Random Political News

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:19 am

I haven't posted on this Roy Moore stuff since there is so much politicizing of the topic it seems the facts and truth are secondary. I'm not a fan of Moore, way too much of an evangelical and personally those types always creep me out.

In regards to the allegations of sexual misconduct with minors that occurred around 1980, I don't doubt there might be some truth there. However, this is also a politically motivated smear job based on the timing and people involved (See Gloria Allred). The goal here is not 'justice for the alleged victims', it's to get that seat in the Senate. So it's laughable to see the act from people in this thread pretending getting that seat isn't the motivation driving this.

Where was all your virtue for Juanita Broderick who has been claiming the same things since 1992? Was she just a liar being used as a political tool?

Getting back to the alleged sexual misconduct of Moore, again I wouldn't doubt there is some truth here. But back in this era it was not uncommon (especially in rural areas) for families to provide consent for their teenage daughters to 'date' older men. I know this because my uncle (Dad's brother) was nearly 30 when he dated and eventually married my Aunt when she was 16 and they've been married ever since while raising their family. Obviously by todays standards that seems very creepy and I certainly have teased my Uncle about it. But they are about as normal a family as you'll find. So I think there is a bit of using todays standard and applying them to the way people behaved 40 years ago and placing judgement based how society acts today. Now if things were not consensual (I realize minors can't legally consent, but their parents could at that time) or their was any sexual abuse Moore should be held accountable and has no place in elected office.

I just think that the 'truth' here is probably somewhere in the middle and BOTH can be true when it comes to the allegations and this being a politically motivated smear campaign. But like I said, the truth isn't the priority here, the Senate seat is. So lets not pretend otherwise. Nobody would give two shits about Roy Moore from Gadsen, Alabama or his alleged misconduct in 1977 if he wasn't a politician that was favored to win a Senate seat in a deep red state.

If Moore does win, which I don't think he will because of this. It is certainly a further indictment on the media. I won't go as far as to say it's an indictment on Democrats since we are talking about Alabama here where it's tough for Dems to win statewide elections.
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Re: Random Political News

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:21 am

bucfanclw wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
When I was a kid, way back in the early 90's, Alabama had 2 Democrat Senators. Now, they find a pedophile preferable to a Democrat. So Delt, what did you and your ilk do to the people of Alabama for them to have such a low opinion of you?

Considering the state manages to sit near the bottom in almost every ranking category with decades of being a deep red state, I don't think you can really point the finger at the Dems.


Agree with this part...
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Re: Random Political News

Postby Brazen331 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:03 am

DreadNaught wrote:I haven't posted on this Roy Moore stuff since there is so much politicizing of the topic it seems the facts and truth are secondary. I'm not a fan of Moore, way too much of an evangelical and personally those types always creep me out.

In regards to the allegations of sexual misconduct with minors that occurred around 1980, I don't doubt there might be some truth there. However, this is also a politically motivated smear job based on the timing and people involved (See Gloria Allred). The goal here is not 'justice for the alleged victims', it's to get that seat in the Senate. So it's laughable to see the act from people in this thread pretending getting that seat isn't the motivation driving this.

Where was all your virtue for Juanita Broderick who has been claiming the same things since 1992? Was she just a liar being used as a political tool?

Getting back to the alleged sexual misconduct of Moore, again I wouldn't doubt there is some truth here. But back in this era it was not uncommon (especially in rural areas) for families to provide consent for their teenage daughters to 'date' older men. I know this because my uncle (Dad's brother) was nearly 30 when he dated and eventually married my Aunt when she was 16 and they've been married ever since while raising their family. Obviously by todays standards that seems very creepy and I certainly have teased my Uncle about it. But they are about as normal a family as you'll find. So I think there is a bit of using todays standard and applying them to the way people behaved 40 years ago and placing judgement based how society acts today. Now if things were not consensual (I realize minors can't legally consent, but their parents could at that time) or their was any sexual abuse Moore should be held accountable and has no place in elected office.

I just think that the 'truth' here is probably somewhere in the middle and BOTH can be true when it comes to the allegations and this being a politically motivated smear campaign. But like I said, the truth isn't the priority here, the Senate seat is. So lets not pretend otherwise. Nobody would give two o shits about Roy Moore from Gadsen, Alabama or his alleged misconduct in 1977 if he wasn't a politician that was favored to win a Senate seat in a deep red state.

If Moore does win, which I don't think he will because of this. It is certainly a further indictment on the media. I won't go as far as to say it's an indictment on Democrats since we are talking about Alabama here where it's tough for Dems to win statewide elections.


This really is a great post. I didn't think about the time and place. You could very well have had single moms in trailer parks throwing their 16-year old girls at the 30 year old with that prime guvmint job, probably doing it at church.
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Re: Random Political News

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:06 am

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Re: Random Political News

Postby NYBF » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:08 am

Brazen331 wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:I haven't posted on this Roy Moore stuff since there is so much politicizing of the topic it seems the facts and truth are secondary. I'm not a fan of Moore, way too much of an evangelical and personally those types always creep me out.

In regards to the allegations of sexual misconduct with minors that occurred around 1980, I don't doubt there might be some truth there. However, this is also a politically motivated smear job based on the timing and people involved (See Gloria Allred). The goal here is not 'justice for the alleged victims', it's to get that seat in the Senate. So it's laughable to see the act from people in this thread pretending getting that seat isn't the motivation driving this.

Where was all your virtue for Juanita Broderick who has been claiming the same things since 1992? Was she just a liar being used as a political tool?

Getting back to the alleged sexual misconduct of Moore, again I wouldn't doubt there is some truth here. But back in this era it was not uncommon (especially in rural areas) for families to provide consent for their teenage daughters to 'date' older men. I know this because my uncle (Dad's brother) was nearly 30 when he dated and eventually married my Aunt when she was 16 and they've been married ever since while raising their family. Obviously by todays standards that seems very creepy and I certainly have teased my Uncle about it. But they are about as normal a family as you'll find. So I think there is a bit of using todays standard and applying them to the way people behaved 40 years ago and placing judgement based how society acts today. Now if things were not consensual (I realize minors can't legally consent, but their parents could at that time) or their was any sexual abuse Moore should be held accountable and has no place in elected office.

I just think that the 'truth' here is probably somewhere in the middle and BOTH can be true when it comes to the allegations and this being a politically motivated smear campaign. But like I said, the truth isn't the priority here, the Senate seat is. So lets not pretend otherwise. Nobody would give two o shits about Roy Moore from Gadsen, Alabama or his alleged misconduct in 1977 if he wasn't a politician that was favored to win a Senate seat in a deep red state.

If Moore does win, which I don't think he will because of this. It is certainly a further indictment on the media. I won't go as far as to say it's an indictment on Democrats since we are talking about Alabama here where it's tough for Dems to win statewide elections.


This really is a great post. I didn't think about the time and place. You could very well have had single moms in trailer parks throwing their 16-year old girls at the 30 year old with that prime guvmint job, probably doing it at church.


Which totally explains the mall creep thing...
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Re: Random Political News

Postby mdb1958 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:09 am

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Re: Random Political News

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:23 am

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Yes, mdb. It's fake.....I think.
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Re: Random Political News

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:24 am

obviously he drives slow...he has to check out the students
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Re: Random Political News

Postby deltbucs » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:27 am

Brazen331 wrote:
deltbucs wrote:My ilk? You think I'm a democrat? LOL!! Thanks for proving my point. Do anything you can to defend your team....you'd literally rather point fingers at the other team than denounce a pedophile. That's what you've come to, because all care about is what jersey the corrupt thieves, sociopaths, and pedophiles wear. You're a puppet....a sheep...a lemming.


Is that what I'm doing? Supporting my team? Supporting pedophiles? You sure your reading comprehension is up to snuff?

Yes. Yes. I never said that. And yes.
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Re: Random Political News

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:34 am

Cruz is leaving the GOP. Going third party.


WASHINGTON D.C. – After the fallout from his recent Twitter scandal, during which Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) liked a pornographic video, Cruz has decided that he must leave the Republican Party. On Wednesday, he defended his decision by citing irreconcilable differences with GOP leadership.

“Make no mistake: Republicans watch porn all the time. Ever wonder why we haven’t gotten anything done, in spite of a party majority in Congress? That’s right! We’re too busy yanking it!” Cruz said at a press conference in Houston.

“That’s why I was shocked when my colleagues in the Senate started treating me like a leper, or worse, a Muslim, after the Twitter incident. It amazed me that the same people who spank the monkey to any number of obscure fetish sites could find it within themselves to judge me. Especially Mitch McConnell. That guy is into some weird ****.”

“In any case,” Cruz continued, “I am tired of being discriminated against for who I am, so I will be leaving the GOP, effective immediately. However, I assure my constituents that I will continue to represent their interests as a member of the Lemon Party, with whom I have so much more in common.”
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Re: Random Political News

Postby Ken Carson » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:34 am

Zarniwoop wrote:obviously he drives slow...he has to check out the students

It's not funny when you have to explain it.
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Re: Random Political News

Postby NYBF » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:30 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:obviously he drives slow...he has to check out the students


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Re: Random Political News

Postby bucfanclw » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:20 am

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Re: Random Political News

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:00 am

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Yes, mdb. It's fake.....I think.


I went to facebook and twitter a few times, when they asked me to sign up they got the bird finger.
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Re: Random Political News

Postby bucfanclw » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:26 am

mdb1958 wrote:they got the bird finger.

You wouldn't happen to be related to Trag, would you?
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Re: Random Political News

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:32 am

Looks like Al Franken is taking his turn as 'Molester of the day'. He's being outed by LA media personality for sexual misconduct (groping while asleep and forcibly kissing) while the two were part of a larger group on a USO tour back in 2006.
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Re: Random Political News

Postby StillCSG » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:38 am

He needs to resign immediately...
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Re: Random Political News

Postby bucfanclw » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:47 am

He's not touching her in the "groping" photo but it's still completely inappropriate behavior. The "It was just a joke" mentality is exactly what women have been fighting against. She certainly has ulterior motives as a frequent contributor on Hannity's show, but it doesn't matter. He alone is responsible for his actions.
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Re: Random Political News

Postby beardmcdoug » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:55 am

JFC

Biden's time will come too







2:30 on this second video...


I thought Biden was an alright dude for a while... but I've seen enough of this weird behavior from him to realize he's just another ****ing pedophile who can't help himself
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Re: Random Political News

Postby bucfanclw » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:13 pm

For the Republicans here: should we excuse Franken for this isolated incident or should we demand he step down?
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Re: Random Political News

Postby bucfanclw » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:28 pm

"The first thing I want to do is apologize: to Leeann, to everyone else who was part of that tour, to everyone who has worked for me, to everyone I represent, and to everyone who counts on me to be an ally and supporter and champion of women. There's more I want to say, but the first and most important thing--and if it's the only thing you care to hear, that's fine--is: I'm sorry.

"I respect women. I don't respect men who don't. And the fact that my own actions have given people a good reason to doubt that makes me feel ashamed.
"But I want to say something else, too. Over the last few months, all of us--including and especially men who respect women--have been forced to take a good, hard look at our own actions and think (perhaps, shamefully, for the first time) about how those actions have affected women.

"For instance, that picture. I don't know what was in my head when I took that picture, and it doesn't matter. There's no excuse. I look at it now and I feel disgusted with myself. It isn't funny. It's completely inappropriate. It's obvious how Leeann would feel violated by that picture. And, what's more, I can see how millions of other women would feel violated by it--women who have had similar experiences in their own lives, women who fear having those experiences, women who look up to me, women who have counted on me.

"Coming from the world of comedy, I've told and written a lot of jokes that I once thought were funny but later came to realize were just plain offensive. But the intentions behind my actions aren't the point at all. It's the impact these jokes had on others that matters. And I'm sorry it's taken me so long to come to terms with that.
"While I don't remember the rehearsal for the skit as Leeann does, I understand why we need to listen to and believe women's experiences.
"I am asking that an ethics investigation be undertaken, and I will gladly cooperate.

"And the truth is, what people think of me in light of this is far less important than what people think of women who continue to come forward to tell their stories. They deserve to be heard, and believed. And they deserve to know that I am their ally and supporter. I have let them down and am committed to making it up to them."
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Re: Random Political News

Postby DreadNaught » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:14 pm

bucfanclw wrote:For the Republicans here: should we excuse Franken for this isolated incident or should we demand he step down?


- I liked his response despite not being a fan of his.
- "We" don't know this was an isolated incident. There were two incidents just with this one accuser. Perhaps isolated accuser would be more appropriate.
- I don't subscribe to groupthink, but personally I will not be demanding anything regarding Franken resigning. He stated he would welcome the ethics committee looking into this and I'm fine with that providing no new information comes to light regarding other incidents with him.

This is uncharted territory in that there is a serious collective effort in society to change how woman have been treated. Crude jokes and inappropriate behavior in the spirit of amusement is no longer tolerated as an excuse for such behavior. These are positive changes I fully support and will do my part in fostering that change. By that same token I hate when society/people retroactively judges things from the past using current norms.

The picture isn't a big deal imo. It was very dumb and inappropriate for sure, but not worthy of ruining a career over. The forcible kissing is more disturbing to me since Franken used his power to facilitate that situation which is the root in many of these issues. But it's 'he-said, she-said' and no sex or other penetration was involved so as long as the facts remain as we know them I don't see a reason for Franken to step down.

This is certainly a slippery slope when it comes to all these claims being driven by the #MeToo campaign. There is a danger in believing any person at face value without supporting evidence, witnesses, facts. Lives are getting ruined over these allegations and while most are probably deserved, there will be innocent casualties where some men will be accused based on some vendetta. To me that goes against the creed of the American justice system of innocent until PROVEN guilty. It seems facts, witnesses, and evidence are irrelevant when comes to this #MeToo campaign and allegations are enough in the court of public opinion.
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