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Re: Cuba

Postby Alpha » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:57 am

Hard to believe. I'm 47 and I thought FOR SURE he'd out-live me.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Alpha » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:00 am

sanka wrote:RIP to a great man.....




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Best of luck with that.
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Re: Cuba

Postby MJW » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:15 am

sanka wrote:RIP to a great man.....


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Re: Cuba

Postby Brazen331 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:33 am

Is Obama going to attend the funeral? I know Bernie wants to go; he was begging Fidel to receive him during his visit back when he was mayor.
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Re: Cuba

Postby MJW » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:52 am

Brazen331 wrote:Is Obama going to attend the funeral? I know Bernie wants to go; he was begging Fidel to receive him during his visit back when he was mayor.


I don't know if even Obama is that tone-deaf. Though I would be entertained by the Democrats punting Florida in 2020 this early.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Brazen331 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:14 am

MJW wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:Is Obama going to attend the funeral? I know Bernie wants to go; he was begging Fidel to receive him during his visit back when he was mayor.


I don't know if even Obama is that tone-deaf. Though I would be entertained by the Democrats punting Florida in 2020 this early.


You know Raul will send the invite and renewed relations was a cornerstone of the Obama foreign policy. Does he send Biden or Kerry or spurn them entirely. Should be interesting.
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Re: Cuba

Postby MJW » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:35 am

Brazen331 wrote:
MJW wrote:
I don't know if even Obama is that tone-deaf. Though I would be entertained by the Democrats punting Florida in 2020 this early.


You know Raul will send the invite and renewed relations was a cornerstone of the Obama foreign policy. Does he send Biden or Kerry or spurn them entirely. Should be interesting.


Yeah, I'm not sure how that turns out. In a sane universe, POTUS would say, "I'm glad he's dead, have a great night." But this is not that universe. My guess is Kerry goes and Barry makes him share every little deet when he returns.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Brazen331 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:56 am

sanka wrote:RIP to a great man.....


LOL. Your ass would be in prison right now if that great man was your leader. Cubans go to prison for going to a strip club or eating a lobster or talking to a foreigner. Imagine what they do to drunk drivers.
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Re: Cuba

Postby MJW » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:05 am

Brazen331 wrote:
sanka wrote:RIP to a great man.....


LOL. Your ass would be in prison right now if that great man was your leader. Cubans go to prison for going to a strip club or eating a lobster or talking to a foreigner. Imagine what they do to drunk drivers.


Or people who criticize the government, for that matter.

My godparents are Cuban expats. Escaped from the man and his tyranny in the late 70s I believe. Did the whole rowboat/car door/shark infested waters thing to get away from him and start a new life.

I would absolutely LOVE to hear Sanka explain Castro's greatness to THEM some time. The godfather is 75 now but I think he could still put a boot up his ass for trying.
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Re: Cuba

Postby sanka » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:47 am

MJW wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
LOL. Your ass would be in prison right now if that great man was your leader. Cubans go to prison for going to a strip club or eating a lobster or talking to a foreigner. Imagine what they do to drunk drivers.


Or people who criticize the government, for that matter.

My godparents are Cuban expats. Escaped from the man and his tyranny in the late 70s I believe. Did the whole rowboat/car door/shark infested waters thing to get away from him and start a new life.

I would absolutely LOVE to hear Sanka explain Castro's greatness to THEM some time. The godfather is 75 now but I think he could still put a boot up his ass for trying.

He freed his country from a dictator supported by America...... After the civil war, American-owned companies in Cuba refused to cooperate with the government, so Castro nationalized these companies. In return the Americans blocked the island, which is why the Cubans cannot export any goods. However, under Castro, Cuba became self-sustainable, depended on zero oil and its economy even grew. ......This is why Americans hate him. Because he stood up against their tyranny and had success at it. Castro also gave all Cuban land to the people, starting with his family land and house....It would have been interesting to know what could have been achieved without the US Embargo. Nearly full literacy rate and healthcare for all was an admirable achievement. However, the Cuban Revolution did not end with Cuba......, as Castro helped many other countries fight off oppressors. In South Africa, Castro sent troops to help Mandela fight off the racist British, again supported by Americans.
Notice that only Americans say bad things about Castro...... yet they rarely state facts. That is because the media told us communism and socialism are bad, which is not true.
At the end of the day Castro is more hated in America than anywhere else in the world....especially because of the missile crisis.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:43 am

You'll receive no support from me.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Brazen331 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:53 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:You'll receive no support from me.

That's OK. Maybe Corsair or Babe has his back?
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Re: Cuba

Postby Wharf Rat » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:09 am

Yeah, Sanka, that explains why Cubans have been fleeing that utopia on make shift rafts...because Castro's vision for his people was so wonderful.

I'll never understand why you idiots want to vote in a communist/socialist government here. If you like it so much, it already exists in places like Cuba. Go to Cuba.
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Re: Cuba

Postby sanka » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:26 am

Wharf Rat wrote:Yeah, Sanka, that explains why Cubans have been fleeing that utopia on make shift rafts...because Castro's vision for his people was so wonderful.

I'll never understand why you idiots want to vote in a communist/socialist government here. If you like it so much, it already exists in places like Cuba. Go to Cuba.

Well when you have society where segments of the populace were capitalist and didn't want to share their wealth with their fellow countrymen...it makes sense to flee to a more capitalist country :D ....When the Soviet Union collapsed coupled with the U.S embargo ..that is what drove the more recent Cubans to flee on makeshift boats ..How can a country survive without a trading partner? He still did more with less.,,,,Cuba will be a Utopian socialist state if we accept defeat like we did in Vietnam.

While he certainly was very far from a perfect leader he did do thing that helped Cuba in the long run. ......He allowed for better education (98.9% literacy rate) and Universal health care (something we still don't have here in the U.S) for all of his people. In countries like Cuba where it was already not a great place sometimes a stricter government is necessary in order to make any large difference.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Wharf Rat » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:37 am

Sounds great! Why haven't you moved?

And universal healthcare isn't the dream you think it is. You know where some Canadians go when they need prompt and competent care? They come here "on vacation", and then present at our hospitals with chest pain (as an example) and they get treatment here. I have friends from Ontario, he's a doctor and she's a judge, and they tell me that healthcare in Canada is a "nightmare".
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Re: Cuba

Postby DreadNaught » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:47 am

sanka wrote:
Wharf Rat wrote:Yeah, Sanka, that explains why Cubans have been fleeing that utopia on make shift rafts...because Castro's vision for his people was so wonderful.

I'll never understand why you idiots want to vote in a communist/socialist government here. If you like it so much, it already exists in places like Cuba. Go to Cuba.

Well when you have society where segments of the populace were capitalist and didn't want to share their wealth with their fellow countrymen...it makes sense to flee to a more capitalist country :D ....When the Soviet Union collapsed coupled with the U.S embargo ..that is what drove the more recent Cubans to flee on makeshift boats ..How can a country survive without a trading partner? He still did more with less.,,,,Cuba will be a Utopian socialist state if we accept defeat like we did in Vietnam.

While he certainly was very far from a perfect leader he did do thing that helped Cuba in the long run. ......He allowed for better education (98.9% literacy rate) and Universal health care (something we still don't have here in the U.S) for all of his people. In countries like Cuba where it was already not a great place sometimes a stricter government is necessary in order to make any large difference.


Wow!! Smdh.. Now this is a "useful idiot".
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Re: Cuba

Postby sanka » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:50 am

Wharf Rat wrote:Sounds great! Why haven't you moved?

And universal healthcare isn't the dream you think it is. You know where some Canadians go when they need prompt and competent care? They come here "on vacation", and then present at our hospitals with chest pain (as an example) and they get treatment here. I have friends from Ontario, he's a doctor and she's a judge, and they tell me that healthcare in Canada is a "nightmare".


This whole thing is not about Cuba...it is about Castro. U.S is punishing Cubans because of Castro. Like Obama said if we have done something for 50+ years and it's not working...it is high time we move in a different direction....and stop punishing the Cuban people....
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Re: Cuba

Postby sanka » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:51 am

DreadNaught wrote:
sanka wrote:Well when you have society where segments of the populace were capitalist and didn't want to share their wealth with their fellow countrymen...it makes sense to flee to a more capitalist country :D ....When the Soviet Union collapsed coupled with the U.S embargo ..that is what drove the more recent Cubans to flee on makeshift boats ..How can a country survive without a trading partner? He still did more with less.,,,,Cuba will be a Utopian socialist state if we accept defeat like we did in Vietnam.

While he certainly was very far from a perfect leader he did do thing that helped Cuba in the long run. ......He allowed for better education (98.9% literacy rate) and Universal health care (something we still don't have here in the U.S) for all of his people. In countries like Cuba where it was already not a great place sometimes a stricter government is necessary in order to make any large difference.


Wow!! Smdh.. Now this is a "useful idiot".


Dread hugz....another Castro hater.... :lol:

I commend a man that will not allow himself to be bullied and stood toe to toe with what he believed......

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Re: Cuba

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:59 am

How can our educational system put forth this superior intellect ---------------------------- we are a great nation
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Re: Cuba

Postby DreadNaught » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:07 am

sanka wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
Wow!! Smdh.. Now this is a "useful idiot".


Dread hugz....another Castro hater.... :lol:

I commend a man that will not allow himself to be bullied and stood toe to toe with what he believed......


Fair enough, I don't care to debate the merits of communism here with you. It seems things like freedom, democratic elections, and self-determination are virtues you feel are NOT important in society. Many ruthless dictators throughout human history refused "to be bullied and stood toe to toe with what they believed". By your logic a place like North Korea must seem like a utopia to you. After all, if Castro and Communism are so wonderful in your opinion you must think the North Koreans have it all figured out.

I grew up in West Tampa with many Cubans that are still friends today in addition to being married a Cuban woman, so I'm a Castro hater because of the personal experiences those people have experienced and shared with me throughout my life. Some still have family in Cuban that are imprisoned or in 'work camps' simply for opposing Castro. I'll assume you don't interact with many Cuban people that have personally experienced the 'greatness' of the Castro regime. In my 37 years, with the hundreds of Cubans I've met I still have yet to meet a single one that that has anything other than complete and utter disgust for the Castro's. I'm happy this morning b/c I know with 100% certainty thousands of Cubans were smiling when they learned of Castro's death.

On a larger scale I'm honestly torn when I see (a segment) of liberals here in America propping Castro up like some good person. On one hand it saddens me to see people so intent on disagreeing with Conservatives that they would celebrate a Communist dictator who committed numerous human rights violations to his own people, yet these same people here in America that are supposedly 'fearful' of Trump. On the other hand, I feel comfort in knowing those people are part of the party that just got cleaned out a couple weeks ago at every level of government here in America from local all the way to the White House. I hope that segment of liberals continue to follow fools like Colin Kaepernick and shout their idiocy loud and proud like you've done here sanka. It will continue to drive the moderate Democrats to the right as that party moves more left.

So while it upsets me to read your posts here sanka, I would also like to thank you for expressing your thoughts. You have every right to your opinion and it's just as valid as mine or any other American. I hope you continue to share your ideals with as many people as you can. Just know that if you were in Cuba you would be jailed for expressing your own opinion if it didn't align with Government.
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Re: Cuba

Postby RedLeader » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:14 am

DreadNaught wrote:
sanka wrote:
Dread hugz....another Castro hater.... :lol:

I commend a man that will not allow himself to be bullied and stood toe to toe with what he believed......


Fair enough, I don't care to debate the merits of communism here with you. It seems things like freedom, democratic elections, and self-determination are virtues you feel are NOT important in society. Many ruthless dictators throughout human history refused "to be bullied and stood toe to toe with what they believed". By your logic a place like North Korea must seem like a utopia to you. After all, if Castro and Communism are so wonderful in your opinion you must think the North Koreans have it all figured out.

I grew up in West Tampa with many Cubans that are still friends today in addition to being married a Cuban woman, so I'm a Castro hater because of the personal experiences those people have experienced and shared with me throughout my life. Some still have family in Cuban that are imprisoned or in 'work camps' simply for opposing Castro. I'll assume you don't interact with many Cuban people that have personally experienced the 'greatness' of the Castro regime. In my 37 years, with the hundreds of Cubans I've met I still have yet to meet a single one that that has anything other than complete and utter disgust for the Castro's. I'm happy this morning b/c I know with 100% certainty thousands of Cubans were smiling when they learned of Castro's death.

On a larger scale I'm honestly torn when I see (a segment) of liberals here in America propping Castro up like some good person. On one hand it saddens me to see people so intent on disagreeing with Conservatives that they would celebrate a Communist dictator who committed numerous human rights violations to his own people, yet these same people here in America that are supposedly 'fearful' of Trump. On the other hand, I feel comfort in knowing those people are part of the party that just got cleaned out a couple weeks ago at every level of government here in America from local all the way to the White House. I hope that segment of liberals continue to follow fools like Colin Kaepernick and shout their idiocy loud and proud like you've done here sanka. It will continue to drive the moderate Democrats to the right as that party moves more left.

So while it upsets me to read your posts here sanka, I would also like to thank you for expressing your thoughts. You have every right to your opinion and it's just as valid as mine or any other American. I hope you continue to share your ideals with as many people as you can. Just know that if you were in Cuba you would be jailed for expressing your own opinion if it didn't align with Government.


great post.
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Re: Cuba

Postby HamBone » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:15 am

My girlfriend and her family are extremely happy he is dead...
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Re: Cuba

Postby MJW » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:21 am

I'm curious, Sanka, what do you know that the hundreds of thousands who risked their lives to escape Castro didn't know? All those first and second generation Cubans who are dancing in the streets right now over his death...can you please explain why they're wrong, or what your ugly American sensibilities have deigned that they haven't figured out yet?

Please, tell my Godparents about the utopia they risked their lives to flee. Tell them about how their sister, who was thrown into a state labor camp for expressing criticism of Castro, was wrong to misjudge him. Please. I'll pass along your words of wisdom.
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Re: Cuba

Postby MJW » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:27 am

By the way, your impression that Castro was some kind of colorblind progressive is bullshit. Obama himself called Castro out on it not long ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/24/world ... .html?_r=0

And here's one on Castro's attitudes towards gays:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/07/03/cub ... e-its-not/

YOU have been brainwashed by a dictatorship that controlled 99% of the information that the rest of the world received, including "This will impress dumb American liberals" bullshit about being post-racial and pro-gay.

And again, on behalf of my Godparents, you're an ignorant fool.
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Re: Cuba

Postby MJW » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:29 am

sanka wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
Wow!! Smdh.. Now this is a "useful idiot".


Dread hugz....another Castro hater.... :lol:

I commend a man that will not allow himself to be bullied and stood toe to toe with what he believed......

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You could say the same thing about Donald Trump, moron.
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Re: Cuba

Postby MJW » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:34 am

Here are some things some Cuban friends of mine posted on Facebook:

"My fiancé's family lost everything. Her uncle was put into prison but committed no crimes. They all had to escape the brutal regime. My family escaped from a similar regime in Soviet Union. We are not right-wingers. Castro was a fascist wearing the robes of socialism. A liar, a butcher, a thief, a dictator. Good riddance."

"I am very surprised by some folks. People posting witty, ambiguous and pro-Fidel posts (and you know who you are), you really are on the wrong side. You might be smart on other things, but you aren't on this. There was nothing liberal about him. Stop posting pics of him with Malcolm and Nelson - you are just wrong. You are the clueless westerner with the white shirt, straw hat, Havana club in hand, and cigar in your mouth, looking at Cuba like a museum. The citizens of Cuba were not able to loudly tell you how they really felt, for real fear of being imprisoned. You are wrong, do not laud this dictator. Please at least keep it to yourself, it's offensive and ignorant."

"Thank you. Providing free education and health care means nothing if at a whim, without any due process whatsoever (or for argument's sake, the theoretical mechanism of one) you can be incarcerated and murdered. This not progressive. So many people were tortured just for dissenting with the government."

Again, these are 2nd Generation Cubans who parents fled in terror from his regime.

Please, tell them what they're wrong about. Share your wisdom.
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Re: Cuba

Postby sanka » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:55 pm

MJW wrote:
sanka wrote:
Dread hugz....another Castro hater.... :lol:

I commend a man that will not allow himself to be bullied and stood toe to toe with what he believed......

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You could say the same thing about Donald Trump, moron.

Donald Trump :lol: :lol: :lol: .... Maryjane stop....Fidel is hated only here in America... He was a man that cared for the common man ...You only see the bad I see the good deeds he did. When you have an embargo that is meant to cripple you as a country ... ordinary Cubans are the ones that will suffer. Maybe if we had try a different approach and try to work with Cuba instead of this iron fist approach.... maybe something good could have come out of it. America gave Fidel a middle finger....he did the same to America.

There is jubilation in Little Havana but mourning in all of Cuba.

I see a man who helped freed Nelson Mandela from prison by fighting wars with South Africa.....helped end the brutal apartheid system....He was a man who cared for those that didn't have anything.

I'm sorry if you don't see that man...he was not perfect but you have to respect what he stood for.. humanity!..and I'm glad in died in his bed peacefully.
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Re: Cuba

Postby HamBone » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:09 pm

That's some epic trolling attempt...right there. Anyone else gonna bite?
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Re: Cuba

Postby sanka » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:27 pm

Fidel Castro : I will not die until America is destroyed
Trump: I'm the president elect of the USA
Fidel Castro: Well then...

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Re: Cuba

Postby sanka » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:44 pm

Trump on Fidel's death:

His presidential transition team issued a longer statement two hours later, marking “the passing of a brutal dictator who oppressed his own people for nearly six decades.”

“Fidel Castro’s legacy is one of firing squads, theft, unimaginable suffering, poverty and the denial of fundamental human rights,” Mr. Trump said in the statement. “While Cuba remains a totalitarian island, it is my hope that today marks a move away from the horrors endured for too long, and toward a future in which the wonderful Cuban people finally live in the freedom they so richly deserve.”

He promised that his administration “will do all it can to ensure the Cuban people can finally begin their journey toward prosperity and liberty.”

The president-elect, via Twitter, has also weighed in on U.S. policies regarding Cuba in the past, pledging to “reverse” the Obama-led efforts to normalize relations between the two countries.

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