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Re: Cuba

Postby sanka » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:56 pm

Obama statement on Fidel:

Hours after Fidel Castro's death was announced, President Barack Obama didn't just offer his condolences to the family of the former Cuban leader.

He also extended "a hand of friendship" to the Cuban people — a reminder of his administration's efforts to renew diplomatic ties with the country's close Caribbean neighbor, but a far cry from Castro's policies of isolation and independence.

"We know that this moment fills Cubans — in Cuba and in the United States — with powerful emotions, recalling the countless ways in which Fidel Castro altered the course of individual lives, families, and of the Cuban nation," Obama said in a statement. "History will record and judge the enormous impact of this singular figure on the people and world around him.

Now that is a real leader!
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Re: Cuba

Postby sanka » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:00 pm

The best way to hasten the fall of communism is engagement with Cuba....the embargo is useless!

Donald it has not worked for 50 years....what is the point of continuing it? Try a different approach and see Cuba become the richest country in Latin America!
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Re: Cuba

Postby Brazen331 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:35 pm

sanka wrote:Obama statement on Fidel:

Hours after Fidel Castro's death was announced, President Barack Obama didn't just offer his condolences to the family of the former Cuban leader.

He also extended "a hand of friendship" to the Cuban people — a reminder of his administration's efforts to renew diplomatic ties with the country's close Caribbean neighbor, but a far cry from Castro's policies of isolation and independence.

"We know that this moment fills Cubans — in Cuba and in the United States — with powerful emotions, recalling the countless ways in which Fidel Castro altered the course of individual lives, families, and of the Cuban nation," Obama said in a statement. "History will record and judge the enormous impact of this singular figure on the people and world around him.

Now that is a real leader!


No, those are the words of a ***** too scared to express a view.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Ken Carson » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:56 pm

sanka wrote: He freed his country from a dictator supported by America......


This is mostly true.

sanka wrote:After the civil war, American-owned companies in Cuba refused to cooperate with the government, so Castro nationalized these companies. In return the Americans blocked the island, which is why the Cubans cannot export any goods.


Cuba could export goods to places other than the US, so, this line is total bullshit. There was not any blockade, save when the Russians were transporting nukes.

sanka wrote:However, under Castro, Cuba became self-sustainable, depended on zero oil and its economy even grew. ......


I don't know what you mean by 'grew.' But if you mean he took the country that produced the largest amount of sugar in the world and made it one that didn't produce any, then yes. He 'grew' the ecomony by about negative 10.

sanka wrote:This is why Americans hate him. Because he stood up against their tyranny and had success at it.


I can't speak for anyone else, but I despise him because my wife and her family left Cuba as emigrants, fleeing Castro's firing squads and political prisons.

sanka wrote:Castro also gave all Cuban land to the people, starting with his family land and house....


That was noble of him. Except what he actually did was give his land (and all other privately own land) to the government. Guess who has been in charge of the government since 1961? I hope you don't need more than 1 guess.

sanka wrote:It would have been interesting to know what could have been achieved without the US Embargo. Nearly full literacy rate and healthcare for all was an admirable achievement.


They are all great at reading government propaganda. Literacy is only worth a damn if it is accompanied by freedom of thought. The healthcare actually seems pretty legit though.

sanka wrote:However, the Cuban Revolution did not end with Cuba......, as Castro helped many other countries fight off oppressors. In South Africa, Castro sent troops to help Mandela fight off the racist British, again supported by Americans.


Do you actually have any idea about what you're talking about? British in South Africa?

sanka wrote:Notice that only Americans say bad things about Castro...... yet they rarely state facts.


You should really talk to some Cuban refugees and emigrants. They have plenty of facts. And relatives in prison.

sanka wrote:That is because the media told us communism and socialism are bad, which is not true.


Castro's communism was fascism in socialist clothing. If you can't see that, you don't know what the terms mean or you're just antagonizing.

sanka wrote:At the end of the day Castro is more hated in America than anywhere else in the world....especially because of the missile crisis.


He is more hated in Cuba than he is in America. Ask anyone who gets out of there.
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Re: Cuba

Postby SDBucs » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:41 pm

-Use an -ist or -phobe word? Check
-Scold how "Americans" think? Check
-Praise communist ideas? Check

Sanka is preaching from the modern day liberal handbook
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Re: Cuba

Postby Jonny » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:07 pm

HamBone wrote:My girlfriend and her family are extremely happy he is dead...


I am happy he is dead.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:08 pm

Brazen331 wrote:
sanka wrote:Obama statement on Fidel:

Hours after Fidel Castro's death was announced, President Barack Obama didn't just offer his condolences to the family of the former Cuban leader.

He also extended "a hand of friendship" to the Cuban people — a reminder of his administration's efforts to renew diplomatic ties with the country's close Caribbean neighbor, but a far cry from Castro's policies of isolation and independence.

"We know that this moment fills Cubans — in Cuba and in the United States — with powerful emotions, recalling the countless ways in which Fidel Castro altered the course of individual lives, families, and of the Cuban nation," Obama said in a statement. "History will record and judge the enormous impact of this singular figure on the people and world around him.

Now that is a real leader!


No, those are the words of a ***** too scared to express a view.

Those are the words of a world leader who knows better than to piss on a grave.

Not that you would know anything about it.

Dipshit.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Jonny » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:12 pm

Funny how some of the biggest communist sympathizers tend to be the IPhone carrying safe space requiring special snowflakes that never overcome real adversity in their lives. And of course idiots who never held a real job in their lives like Bernie and Trudeau as well.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Jonny » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:19 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Those are the words of a world leader who knows better than to piss on a grave.

Not that you would know anything about it.

Dipshit.


I seriously doubt if Obama has any dislike or animosity towards Castro. Yes of course he is trying to be Presidential, but I remember how Bernie was pretty positive of Hugo Chavez. I think Obama is on the same boat.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Brazen331 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:23 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Brazen331 wrote:
No, those are the words of a ***** too scared to express a view.

Those are the words of a world leader who knows better than to piss on a grave.

Not that you would know anything about it.

Dipshit.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Corsair » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:25 pm

Obvious troll is obvious.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:34 pm

Jonny wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Those are the words of a world leader who knows better than to piss on a grave.

Not that you would know anything about it.

Dipshit.


I seriously doubt if Obama has any dislike or animosity towards Castro. Yes of course he is trying to be Presidential, but I remember how Bernie was pretty positive of Hugo Chavez. I think Obama is on the same boat.

I am going to address you since Brazen is an idiot.

No, I don't think Obama has any admiration for Castro since his statement immediately recognized the negative impact his regime has had over the years.

I thought his statement was diplomatic and appropriate. Hopefully, the Trump administration will learn how to use this level of diplomacy in the future.

Trump's statement, while factually correct, does nothing to improve the relationship with the Cuban government which in my view has to happen if the Cuban people are going to find some freedom.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Brazen331 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:43 pm

Corsair wrote:Obvious troll is obvious.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Corsair » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:48 pm

Brazen331 wrote:
Corsair wrote:Obvious troll is obvious.


I'm just trolling


Yeah, we got that.
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Re: Cuba

Postby MJW » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:09 pm

Cuban Who Lived Under Castro:
"My father was thrown in a gulag for expressing an unpopular opinion. My family fled to America to escape his brutal regime. I'm glad he's dead."

19 Year Old American College Student who has never left the country:

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Re: Cuba

Postby MJW » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:10 pm

Ken Carson wrote:
sanka wrote: He freed his country from a dictator supported by America......


This is mostly true.

sanka wrote:After the civil war, American-owned companies in Cuba refused to cooperate with the government, so Castro nationalized these companies. In return the Americans blocked the island, which is why the Cubans cannot export any goods.


Cuba could export goods to places other than the US, so, this line is total bullshit. There was not any blockade, save when the Russians were transporting nukes.

sanka wrote:However, under Castro, Cuba became self-sustainable, depended on zero oil and its economy even grew. ......


I don't know what you mean by 'grew.' But if you mean he took the country that produced the largest amount of sugar in the world and made it one that didn't produce any, then yes. He 'grew' the ecomony by about negative 10.

sanka wrote:This is why Americans hate him. Because he stood up against their tyranny and had success at it.


I can't speak for anyone else, but I despise him because my wife and her family left Cuba as emigrants, fleeing Castro's firing squads and political prisons.

sanka wrote:Castro also gave all Cuban land to the people, starting with his family land and house....


That was noble of him. Except what he actually did was give his land (and all other privately own land) to the government. Guess who has been in charge of the government since 1961? I hope you don't need more than 1 guess.

sanka wrote:It would have been interesting to know what could have been achieved without the US Embargo. Nearly full literacy rate and healthcare for all was an admirable achievement.


They are all great at reading government propaganda. Literacy is only worth a damn if it is accompanied by freedom of thought. The healthcare actually seems pretty legit though.

sanka wrote:However, the Cuban Revolution did not end with Cuba......, as Castro helped many other countries fight off oppressors. In South Africa, Castro sent troops to help Mandela fight off the racist British, again supported by Americans.


Do you actually have any idea about what you're talking about? British in South Africa?

sanka wrote:Notice that only Americans say bad things about Castro...... yet they rarely state facts.


You should really talk to some Cuban refugees and emigrants. They have plenty of facts. And relatives in prison.

sanka wrote:That is because the media told us communism and socialism are bad, which is not true.


Castro's communism was fascism in socialist clothing. If you can't see that, you don't know what the terms mean or you're just antagonizing.

sanka wrote:At the end of the day Castro is more hated in America than anywhere else in the world....especially because of the missile crisis.


He is more hated in Cuba than he is in America. Ask anyone who gets out of there.


Also worth noting that he dies personally worth roughly 1,000,000,000. That's with a "B." Because he's a communist and a man of the people, you see.
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Re: Cuba

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:32 pm

How old is little brother and how long does he last?
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Re: Cuba

Postby Alpha » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:51 am

Ill give Sanka this:

We've supported and/or lended aid to other communist countries for DECADES. The Cuban debacle was PURELY punitive.

That said...Sanka is clearly supporting communism. He has very little knowledge of the history between the US and Cuba and is merely a "cheerleader" for political concepts of which he has little concept.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Alpha » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:54 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Jonny wrote:
I seriously doubt if Obama has any dislike or animosity towards Castro. Yes of course he is trying to be Presidential, but I remember how Bernie was pretty positive of Hugo Chavez. I think Obama is on the same boat.

I am going to address you since Brazen is an idiot.

No, I don't think Obama has any admiration for Castro since his statement immediately recognized the negative impact his regime has had over the years.

I thought his statement was diplomatic and appropriate. Hopefully, the Trump administration will learn how to use this level of diplomacy in the future.

Trump's statement, while factually correct, does nothing to improve the relationship with the Cuban government which in my view has to happen if the Cuban people are going to find some freedom.


This.


Not that it'll matter.

Drumph will find a way to **** this up.
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Re: Cuba

Postby MJW » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:56 am

http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/26/the ... r-clinton/

The Late Jose Fernandez talking about being jailed at 14 by Castro and trying to make it to the States.

If only he had lived long enough to have Sanka talk some sense into him about all the free healthcare and education he was turning his back on.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Brazen331 » Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:30 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
Jonny wrote:
I seriously doubt if Obama has any dislike or animosity towards Castro. Yes of course he is trying to be Presidential, but I remember how Bernie was pretty positive of Hugo Chavez. I think Obama is on the same boat.

I am going to address you since Brazen is an idiot.

No, I don't think Obama has any admiration for Castro since his statement immediately recognized the negative impact his regime has had over the years.

I thought his statement was diplomatic and appropriate. Hopefully, the Trump administration will learn how to use this level of diplomacy in the future.

Trump's statement, while factually correct, does nothing to improve the relationship with the Cuban government which in my view has to happen if the Cuban people are going to find some freedom
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Re: Cuba

Postby Air-Buc-Pirate » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:10 am

May he rot in hell for eternity.
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Re: Cuba

Postby mightyleemoon » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:31 am

Ken Carson wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:I love the Cubans. Never met a Cuban who was anything other than generous, friendly, and courteous. I'd have a Cuban neighbor in a heartbeat.


This sounds like something someone might say on the front end of a statement to dilute what comes next.

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Regardless of anything Obama has done with regards to this situation, Cuba will be the crown jewel of the Caribbean again in my lifetime. Can't wait to visit someday when they get the place polished up.


And this is the sentiment I don't get. In your life time, you're going to get yet another ****ing beach to go to. And a generation of Cubans will live and die without ever knowing freedom.


And this is a sentiment I don't get. Why should I not be free to go wherever I want to go?
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Re: Cuba

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:50 am

Ken misunderstood my intentions. I thought we sorted that out. No need to rehash.
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Re: Cuba

Postby mightyleemoon » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:15 am

DreadNaught wrote:
sanka wrote:
Dread hugz....another Castro hater.... :lol:

I commend a man that will not allow himself to be bullied and stood toe to toe with what he believed......


Fair enough, I don't care to debate the merits of communism here with you. It seems things like freedom, democratic elections, and self-determination are virtues you feel are NOT important in society. Many ruthless dictators throughout human history refused "to be bullied and stood toe to toe with what they believed". By your logic a place like North Korea must seem like a utopia to you. After all, if Castro and Communism are so wonderful in your opinion you must think the North Koreans have it all figured out.

I grew up in West Tampa with many Cubans that are still friends today in addition to being married a Cuban woman, so I'm a Castro hater because of the personal experiences those people have experienced and shared with me throughout my life. Some still have family in Cuban that are imprisoned or in 'work camps' simply for opposing Castro. I'll assume you don't interact with many Cuban people that have personally experienced the 'greatness' of the Castro regime. In my 37 years, with the hundreds of Cubans I've met I still have yet to meet a single one that that has anything other than complete and utter disgust for the Castro's. I'm happy this morning b/c I know with 100% certainty thousands of Cubans were smiling when they learned of Castro's death.

On a larger scale I'm honestly torn when I see (a segment) of liberals here in America propping Castro up like some good person. On one hand it saddens me to see people so intent on disagreeing with Conservatives that they would celebrate a Communist dictator who committed numerous human rights violations to his own people, yet these same people here in America that are supposedly 'fearful' of Trump. On the other hand, I feel comfort in knowing those people are part of the party that just got cleaned out a couple weeks ago at every level of government here in America from local all the way to the White House. I hope that segment of liberals continue to follow fools like Colin Kaepernick and shout their idiocy loud and proud like you've done here sanka. It will continue to drive the moderate Democrats to the right as that party moves more left.

So while it upsets me to read your posts here sanka, I would also like to thank you for expressing your thoughts. You have every right to your opinion and it's just as valid as mine or any other American. I hope you continue to share your ideals with as many people as you can. Just know that if you were in Cuba you would be jailed for expressing your own opinion if it didn't align with Government.


I have yet to know a liberal in real life that thinks anything positive about Castro. There are some on the internet...but I haven't seen a real one in the wild.

That said, I read this post and can't help but see the irony. There are countless conservatives, many of whom I know in the real world, who like to pretend to care about the rights of Cubans...but aren't at all concerned about the rights of gay Americans being violated. They appear to care more about Cubans than their own countrymen...some of whom have served in their military.
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Re: Cuba

Postby mightyleemoon » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:17 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Ken misunderstood my intentions. I thought we sorted that out. No need to rehash.


I didn't see where he clearly sailed the other way. But, I only went through the first few pages of this thread. And, it's still a sentiment that I don't understand.
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Re: Cuba

Postby Brazen331 » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:26 am

mightyleemoon wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
Fair enough, I don't care to debate the merits of communism here with you. It seems things like freedom, democratic elections, and self-determination are virtues you feel are NOT important in society. Many ruthless dictators throughout human history refused "to be bullied and stood toe to toe with what they believed". By your logic a place like North Korea must seem like a utopia to you. After all, if Castro and Communism are so wonderful in your opinion you must think the North Koreans have it all figured out.

I grew up in West Tampa with many Cubans that are still friends today in addition to being married a Cuban woman, so I'm a Castro hater because of the personal experiences those people have experienced and shared with me throughout my life. Some still have family in Cuban that are imprisoned or in 'work camps' simply for opposing Castro. I'll assume you don't interact with many Cuban people that have personally experienced the 'greatness' of the Castro regime. In my 37 years, with the hundreds of Cubans I've met I still have yet to meet a single one that that has anything other than complete and utter disgust for the Castro's. I'm happy this morning b/c I know with 100% certainty thousands of Cubans were smiling when they learned of Castro's death.

On a larger scale I'm honestly torn when I see (a segment) of liberals here in America propping Castro up like some good person. On one hand it saddens me to see people so intent on disagreeing with Conservatives that they would celebrate a Communist dictator who committed numerous human rights violations to his own people, yet these same people here in America that are supposedly 'fearful' of Trump. On the other hand, I feel comfort in knowing those people are part of the party that just got cleaned out a couple weeks ago at every level of government here in America from local all the way to the White House. I hope that segment of liberals continue to follow fools like Colin Kaepernick and shout their idiocy loud and proud like you've done here sanka. It will continue to drive the moderate Democrats to the right as that party moves more left.

So while it upsets me to read your posts here sanka, I would also like to thank you for expressing your thoughts. You have every right to your opinion and it's just as valid as mine or any other American. I hope you continue to share your ideals with as many people as you can. Just know that if you were in Cuba you would be jailed for expressing your own opinion if it didn't align with Government.


I have yet to know a liberal in real life that thinks anything positive about Castro. There are some on the internet...but I haven't seen a real one in the wild.

That said, I read this post and can't help but see the irony. There are countless conservatives, many of whom I know in the real world, who like to pretend to care about the rights of Cubans...but aren't at all concerned about the rights of gay Americans being violated. They appear to care more about Cubans than their own countrymen...some of whom have served in their military.


What you need to do is find a gay Cuban and introduce him/her to all of your real-world conservative aquaintances that you know. Once these conservatives are confronted with the fact that one of their beloved Cubans has the capacity to be gay, then perhaps their love of the Cuban can overcome their hatred of the gay. It's worth a shot.
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Re: Cuba

Postby mightyleemoon » Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:29 am

I want to make a cigar joke here.
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Re: Cuba

Postby sanka » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:54 pm

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Re: Cuba

Postby Corsair » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:43 pm

I bet that deal includes a couple new Trump hotels in Downtown Havana and a nice beach side resort.
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