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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:49 pm

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Why does the robot have to be black? And why does the slippery thing have to be a banana?


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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:23 pm

BMD.

I’m guessing your sympathetic to the Las Vegas workers who might strike because they wany assurances robots / automation won’t take their jobs



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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby PrimeMinister » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:35 pm

That’s a ridiculous request and the business owners shouldn’t accept those terms.
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby beardmcdoug » Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:09 am

It’s a ridiculous request but more power to the workers for exercising their leverage. Negotiation is absolutely critical, otherwise how do you find the line? It’s part of the process and dialogue should always be supported IMO.


I think the workers are probably fighting a losing fight with this, but again, more power to them. Things are about to get real weird over the next 20-30 years, so this preliminary jostling is net positive IMO. All options and all strategies for finding a solution that works for both employers and employees need to be explored as we go forward. This is great for bringing attention to the dialogue. And in fact, even though the demands are pretty outrageous- it at least sets the tone on their side that they understand the severity and magnitude of this issue
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby beardmcdoug » Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:49 pm

Your thoughts, Zarni?
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Zarniwoop » Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:21 pm

beardmcdoug wrote:Your thoughts, Zarni?



It seems like at least some of the major hotels have reached a tentative agreement.




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As for my personal opinion, I can't say I know the exact details of the union requests...I'm hearing they wanted guaranteed 4% pay raises for 5 years...if that is their starting point, it seems reasonable. If that is their dig in line, it seems too extreme. They are asking for harsher guidelines on sexual harassment...again, I don't know the details but that seems like a reasonable request at face level.

I know they have a serious concern about technology taking over jobs. I certainly sympathize with that and I would support many things that could be a win/win for the union and owners. For example, I have no issue if union workers demand a certain amount of cross training on different jobs (say 40 hours per year)...something like that generally helps workers and management. I would support a clause that would say something to the extent of when employees are laid off because of automation, they have first crack at jobs in different areas of the hotels/casinos versus hiring outside. That tends to be a win/win for both parties, particularly if the employees who are being displaced are loyal, long term employees.

My biggest issue is with the following statement I read:

One major sticking point is the union's demand that they get a say in any new technology implemented by hotels


That is a ludicrous request and if I were an owner or executive of any of these establishments, I would flat our reject it and give absolutely no concession in return for the union dropping this asinine demand. It's one of the dumbest requests I have heard in labor negotiations.
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby beardmcdoug » Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:20 pm

Zarniwoop wrote:
beardmcdoug wrote:Your thoughts, Zarni?



It seems like at least some of the major hotels have reached a tentative agreement.




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As for my personal opinion, I can't say I know the exact details of the union requests...I'm hearing they wanted guaranteed 4% pay raises for 5 years...if that is their starting point, it seems reasonable. If that is their dig in line, it seems too extreme. They are asking for harsher guidelines on sexual harassment...again, I don't know the details but that seems like a reasonable request at face level.

I know they have a serious concern about technology taking over jobs. I certainly sympathize with that and I would support many things that could be a win/win for the union and owners. For example, I have no issue if union workers demand a certain amount of cross training on different jobs (say 40 hours per year)...something like that generally helps workers and management. I would support a clause that would say something to the extent of when employees are laid off because of automation, they have first crack at jobs in different areas of the hotels/casinos versus hiring outside. That tends to be a win/win for both parties, particularly if the employees who are being displaced are loyal, long term employees.

My biggest issue is with the following statement I read:

One major sticking point is the union's demand that they get a say in any new technology implemented by hotels


That is a ludicrous request and if I were an owner or executive of any of these establishments, I would flat our reject it and give absolutely no concession in return for the union dropping this asinine demand. It's one of the dumbest requests I have heard in labor negotiations.


Yeah I agree basically 100% - and definitely about your last opinion - what a ridiculous and out of place demand. I like your paid training to help transition to different roles too
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:21 am

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Buc2 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:31 am

Zarniwoop wrote:Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spe ... 122ffb816a

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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby beardmcdoug » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:34 am

Buc2 wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spe ... 122ffb816a

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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:37 am

Buc2 wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spe ... 122ffb816a

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New report finds no evidence that having sex with robots is healthy
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby NYBF » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:54 am

Zarniwoop wrote:
Buc2 wrote:Blocked. Used up my free clicks.



New report finds no evidence that having sex with robots is healthy

Sex sells, and robots are no exception. One of the most expensive consumer robots under development, a machine named Harmony, is a $15,000 union of silicone curves and silicon chips. Part of an estimated $30 billion industry, Harmony has software that remembers birthdays and can quote Shakespeare, per the Guardian. Harmony is also equipped for intimate human-robot relations. Sex doll maker Realbotix, in its marketing materials, bills Harmony as “the perfect companion.”

But healthy companionship is too bold a claim to make about sex robots, warn a pair of doctors in a report published Monday in the journal BMJ Sexual & Reproductive Health.

Chantal Cox-George, a doctor at St. George’s University Hospitals in Britain, and Susan Bewley, an obstetrician at King’s College London, scoured the medical literature for reports concerning the health aspects of sex robots. They finished their search as they began: empty-handed.

No primary research data on sex robots exists, the doctors concluded. “We advise that sexbots shouldn’t be used in medical practice,” Cox-George said, “at least not unless that forms part of robust and ethical research.”

Noel Sharkey, a professor emeritus of artificial intelligence and robotics at the University of Sheffield in England, applauded the BMJ article. In May 2017, Sharkey, as a co-founder of an organization called the Foundation for Responsible Robotics, produced a report outlining the sexual future of humans and robots.

The Foundation for Responsible Robotics talked to “an awful lot of people,” Sharkey said, and none could provide evidence for clinical uses. The BMJ report goes “a lot further than we did and actually delved into hundreds and hundreds of journals,” he said, yet arrived at the same conclusion.

The lack of empirical data is no surprise to Julie Carpenter, a research fellow at the Ethics and Emerging Sciences group at California Polytechnic State University. Robotics researchers haven’t neglected to think about these questions, she said, but only within the past few months have sex robots been widely available for purchase.

A data void hasn't prevented the spread of beneficial claims. “We became aware that doctors are being asked for their professional opinions on sex dolls and robots,” Cox-George said. Sexbots have been suggested as a way to promote safe sex or as therapies for people with companionship problems.

In an interview published last year, Douglas Hines, chief executive of interactive sex doll maker TrueCompanion, told the Foundation for Responsible Robotics: “Roxxxy, our sex robot, provides what every adult needs — unconditional love and support. The ability to feel the loving embrace of a lover is a right every adult should be granted. We provide a solution to help adults meet their social as well as sexual needs.” (TrueCompanion and Realbotix did not respond to requests for comment.)

That a sex robot could alleviate social isolation is a common theme. A recent New York Times column equated robots with human sex workers and suggested that self-described incels — meaning “involuntarily celibate” — will attempt to find fulfillment in having sex with machines.

Sex robot manufacturers have also engaged in “massive marketing” that cites benefits to those who struggle to make human connections, Sharkey said, but those claims are on shaky ground.

“A lot of experts are saying it would not help with social isolation,” he said, “and might even make them more socially isolated.” Sharkey said he knew of at least one case in which a man left his wife and children for a silicone doll.

Sex robots have also been suggested as companions for the elderly or people with disabilities. That struck Cox-George and Bewley as “patronizing,” as they wrote in the article, and an argument “for a ‘lesser’ sexual experience when most people with disabilities can form mutually satisfying relationships.”

Kathleen Richardson, an ethics professor at De Montfort University in Leicester, England, grew so concerned about the intrusion of machines into human relationships — an area “traditionally off-limits to the market” — that she launched the Campaign Against Sex Robots in 2015.

“It offends me that they think a human woman is like a machine,” she said. (The vast majority of sex dolls are shaped like women.) Sex robots’ ability to satisfy the unsatisfied may also be overblown, Richardson said. She’s heard of men who have gone to “doll brothels” and been unable to become aroused. “It wouldn’t be very advantageous for human beings to be aroused by objects, would it?”

Though scientists frequently say more research is needed, clinical experimentation with sexbots, in Richardson's view, risks driving research funds into environments where people have sex with machines.

Carpenter disagreed. “I’m not an advocate for releasing a doll into the general public” and claiming it is therapeutic, she said. But she recommends that the door be kept open to explore sex robots “as a critical tool” used with the guidance of a human therapist. The current archetype of sex robots, which mostly caters to male and heterosexual customers, might obscure what comes next. Instead of assuming robots will become replacements, Carpenter said people might be drawn to sex robots thanks to the very features — like nonjudgmental programming — that make them different from us.

For the time being, and given the lack of data, Cox-George and Bewley conclude that medical professionals should apply what is known as the precautionary principle: “There is a social responsibility to protect the public from harm, unless findings emerge to show no harm,” Cox-George said. In the absence of evidence, in other words, clinicians should steer patients away.
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Buc2 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:57 am

Westworld is coming sooner than we thought.
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:06 pm

Would this be considered cheating?
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:12 pm

DreadNaught wrote:Would this be considered cheating?



wow....what a question.



right now I think most people wouldn't consider using sex toys as cheating...but then again the toys aren't humanoid.

i'm not sure how that opinion would change when we get these human like robots.
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:12 pm

DreadNaught wrote:Would this be considered cheating?

asking for a friend?
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby beardmcdoug » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:57 pm

DreadNaught wrote:Would this be considered cheating?


i think if you kiss its mouth hole
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby DreadNaught » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:09 pm

beardmcdoug wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:Would this be considered cheating?


i think if you kiss its mouth hole


I'll tell 'my friend' just to put a bag over the head so it's head.

Speaking of mouth holes, why do these sex toys even have the ability to speak? Seems like a useless feature for such a product.
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:03 pm

DreadNaught wrote:
beardmcdoug wrote:
i think if you kiss its mouth hole


I'll tell 'my friend' just to put a bag over the head so it's head.

Speaking of mouth holes, why do these sex toys even have the ability to speak? Seems like a useless feature for such a product.

Spoken like a married man.
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby The Outsider » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:18 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
I'll tell 'my friend' just to put a bag over the head so it's head.

Speaking of mouth holes, why do these sex toys even have the ability to speak? Seems like a useless feature for such a product.

Spoken like a married man.



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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Buc2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:33 am

:lol:

This thread just got more awesome.
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Zarniwoop » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:35 pm

So I’m at McDs with my daughter. Automated ordering is great.
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby PanteraCanes » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:05 am

Zarniwoop wrote:So I’m at McDs with my daughter. Automated ordering is great.


I assume you entered a zone where you got something close to what you ordered?
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby deltbucs » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:21 am

Zarniwoop wrote:So I’m at McDs with my daughter. Automated ordering is great.

I don't use those things unless the line is backed up and I'm in a hurry. My attempt to try to save jobs. That's how I feel at least.
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby PanteraCanes » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:24 am

deltbucs wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:So I’m at McDs with my daughter. Automated ordering is great.

I don't use those things unless the line is backed up and I'm in a hurry. My attempt to try to save jobs. That's how I feel at least.


I do a similar thing with the self check out. Rarely use it.
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Zarniwoop » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:45 am

PanteraCanes wrote:
Zarniwoop wrote:So I’m at McDs with my daughter. Automated ordering is great.


I assume you entered a zone where you got something close to what you ordered?




It does remove a good chunk of the potential error for wrong orders....you still have to have the kitchen cook it right and the expediter to collect it right as well....which is always a tenuous proposition at best.

I read a really interesting article the other day on these self serve kiosks....stores like them not just because they reduce labor costs, but they also have been shown to increase sales -- basically people order more on average per visit when they use the kiosk because they can explore a bit more and they don't have to wait on someone to type in their orders.


They will definitely be the way of the future...along with ordering from your phone. Seems very little reason to keep the old system around much longer. The only limitation I saw with the McD's one is that it didn't accept cash. At some point if they want to go completely free of humans they will have to incorporate that...which isn't really hard.
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Zarniwoop » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:46 pm

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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Zarniwoop » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:52 am

Walmart with a neat new robotic system


https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/03/walma ... yptr=yahoo
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Buc2 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:59 am

Zarniwoop wrote:Walmart with a neat new robotic system


https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/03/walma ... yptr=yahoo

Interesting story and it gave me the idea to change our resident Alpha's screen name to Alphabot. :D
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Re: The Robots Are Coming

Postby Nano » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:20 pm

Alphabot helps with this by automatically bringing items from storage to Walmart’s store staff, who then assemble customers’ orders


Why not just bring it to the customers?
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