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Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:40 am

Selmon Rules wrote:
BacksidePursuit wrote:I don’t mind winning some games at this point. We’re out of elite prospect range either way.


But I don’t want to win enough games to keep Jameis around...

I want us to win for no other reason than it would/could mean the younger players in the secondary have figured it out. The biggest reason for the record we have now is the secondary has been atrocious with "you know who" being the second biggest reason.

I could live with some turnovers if we have a defense that was functional against the pass. Not like I'm gonna have a choice cause we all know it's gonna be at least one more year of him....

Now this is a reasonable take.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:10 am

real bucs fan wrote:
Selmon Rules wrote:I want us to win for no other reason than it would/could mean the younger players in the secondary have figured it out. The biggest reason for the record we have now is the secondary has been atrocious with "you know who" being the second biggest reason.

I could live with some turnovers if we have a defense that was functional against the pass. Not like I'm gonna have a choice cause we all know it's gonna be at least one more year of him....

Now this is a reasonable take.


Wrong! You can't blame the defense being one of the worst scoring defenses in the NFL as a reasonable take to explain the lack of team success.

Anything the attempts to deflect from the one and only thing that explains our losing record will not be accepted here.

Blame Jameis or GTFOH!!!

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:41 am

DreadNaught wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:Now this is a reasonable take.


Wrong! You can't blame the defense being one of the worst scoring defenses in the NFL as a reasonable take to explain the lack of team success.

Anything the attempts to deflect from the one and only thing that explains our losing record will not be accepted here.

Blame Jameis or GTFOH!!!


It can be both terrible defense AND the NFL's turnover King. It doesn't just have to be one or the other.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:18 am

MJW wrote:
DreadNaught wrote:
Wrong! You can't blame the defense being one of the worst scoring defenses in the NFL as a reasonable take to explain the lack of team success.

Anything the attempts to deflect from the one and only thing that explains our losing record will not be accepted here.

Blame Jameis or GTFOH!!!


It can be both terrible defense AND the NFL's turnover King. It doesn't just have to be one or the other.

I would take a solid defense and a fair offense over a team with a solid offense and a fair defense....

Would I prefer a solid offense and defense? Without a turnover machine at QB?? Absofrickinlutely!!!!

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:15 pm

Phantom Phenom wrote:Tua to Tampa

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsspo ... reats/amp/

I'm am super okay with that pick. I'd love to see Tua under BA, but I don't think the fan base has enough patience for that.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:04 pm

Doctor wrote:

I'm am super okay with that pick. I'd love to see Tua under BA, but I don't think the fan base has enough patience for that.

I'm super okay with this pick if Licht signs Germain Ifedi or DJ Humphries (1st rounder for BA in 2015) first.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:46 pm

Trey Adams started all 14 games at LT for the Huskies. I'd say that knee is fine and we should put him back into consideration.

Bruh is 6'8, 314

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:51 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Trey Adams started all 14 games at LT for the Huskies. I'd say that knee is fine and we should put him back into consideration.

Bruh is 6'8, 314

That's a big man. Would he be a RT or LT here?

I don't think pay would prohibit us from moving Smith over to RT if that's what's best for the line. Not to mention the RT market has already been reset, you aren't getting a better RT than Smith for less money outside a rookie contract. If a rookie can take over LT, I'm all for swinging him over. Not to mention many believe he's better suited for that side anyway.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:16 pm

Doctor wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Trey Adams started all 14 games at LT for the Huskies. I'd say that knee is fine and we should put him back into consideration.

Bruh is 6'8, 314

That's a big man. Would he be a RT or LT here?

I don't think pay would prohibit us from moving Smith over to RT if that's what's best for the line. Not to mention the RT market has already been reset, you aren't getting a better RT than Smith for less money outside a rookie contract. If a rookie can take over LT, I'm all for swinging him over. Not to mention many believe he's better suited for that side anyway.

I'm good with the coaching staff making that call. Personally, I'd want to move Smith to the right and put in a stud @ LT.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:05 pm

OT Andrew Thomas would be a dream pick but I don’t think he will be there , I think we get Trey Adams in the 2nd and go Dline in the first , maybe Derrick Brown would be awesome but Raekwon Davis would be able to take over for Suh imo

In order of choice would be ;

Thomas
Brown
Adams
Davis

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:28 pm

I keep doing mocks, and with us now in the early teens, I keep ending up with Derrick Brown. Which, while not an offensive lineman, would be fine.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:04 am

Brugler has us taking Penn State edge Gross-Matos at 13 in his lastest mock. Lotta WRs and OTs in the first round for him.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:09 am

MJW wrote:I keep doing mocks, and with us now in the early teens, I keep ending up with Derrick Brown. Which, while not an offensive lineman, would be fine.

He's 60lbs lighter than Suh...Kid is talented for sure, but I dunno.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:30 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
MJW wrote:I keep doing mocks, and with us now in the early teens, I keep ending up with Derrick Brown. Which, while not an offensive lineman, would be fine.

He's 60lbs lighter than Suh...Kid is talented for sure, but I dunno.

????

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:00 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:He's 60lbs lighter than Suh...Kid is talented for sure, but I dunno.

????


?????

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:06 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:He's 60lbs lighter than Suh...Kid is talented for sure, but I dunno.

????

Google lied to me.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:38 pm

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:????

Google lied to me.



There you go guests, the light switch has been flicked.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:43 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Google lied to me.



There you go guests, the light switch has been flicked.

You've been alone a long time, haven't you?

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:46 pm

Arians is unsure of Winston return for 2020 season

If not, Bucs to trade up for Burrow?

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:53 pm

No.

Next to 0 chance we'd be able to get to number 1 with the demand for QBs.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:41 pm

Phantom Phenom wrote:Arians is unsure of Winston return for 2020 season

If not, Bucs to trade up for Burrow?


We'd probably have to trade up to #1 for Burrow.

I doubt Licht and Arians have the balls for that.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:27 pm

Cheb wrote:
Phantom Phenom wrote:Arians is unsure of Winston return for 2020 season

If not, Bucs to trade up for Burrow?


We'd probably have to trade up to #1 for Burrow.

I doubt Licht and Arians have the balls for that.


I've accepted that Winston will be back in 2020 because our FO is run by cowards. But I also think the era of, "We're not even going to bring in competition for Jameis!" is at an end. I'm not even getting excited about the possibility of taking a quarterback in the first, though. That's not hedging bets - that's ending Jameis's tenure.

Best guess on 12/4? Jameis either gets the tag or gets a contract that's basically the tag. We draft a QB somewhere between 25-60. If Jameis makes good, we either shop the guy or enjoy having a talented backup. If (when) Jameis disappoints again, well...

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:33 pm

MJW wrote:
Cheb wrote:
We'd probably have to trade up to #1 for Burrow.

I doubt Licht and Arians have the balls for that.


I've accepted that Winston will be back in 2020 because our FO is run by cowards. But I also think the era of, "We're not even going to bring in competition for Jameis!" is at an end. I'm not even getting excited about the possibility of taking a quarterback in the first, though. That's not hedging bets - that's ending Jameis's tenure.

Best guess on 12/4? Jameis either gets the tag or gets a contract that's basically the tag. We draft a QB somewhere between 25-60. If Jameis makes good, we either shop the guy or enjoy having a talented backup. If (when) Jameis disappoints again, well...

I wouldn't put it past this front office to think they can do the "Trade the backup" strategy that has served Bellichik so well.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:03 am

I’d cut off a pinky to get Chase Young on this defense.

Oh well.


So now that we’ll be picking with the .500ish crowd. Who should be some top targets?

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:59 pm

MJW wrote:I keep doing mocks, and with us now in the early teens, I keep ending up with Derrick Brown. Which, while not an offensive lineman, would be fine.

I really like Brown. The idea of a Vea Brown interior gives me a chubb.

Honestly, I'd love to just keep Suh for the twilight of his career. So many players have shown us they can keep going strong well into their 30s, and Suh seems like that type.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:03 pm

Doctor wrote:
MJW wrote:I keep doing mocks, and with us now in the early teens, I keep ending up with Derrick Brown. Which, while not an offensive lineman, would be fine.

I really like Brown. The idea of a Vea Brown interior gives me a chubb.

Honestly, I'd love to just keep Suh for the twilight of his career. So many players have shown us they can keep going strong well into their 30s, and Suh seems like that type.

Suh wins with strength/power more than quickness/speed (like McCoy for example) so imo Suh should be able to maintain his level of play as age becomes more of an issue.

That said Suh is below Shaw Barrett and JPP in terms of priorities for me personally regarding who we re-sign.

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:50 pm

That said Suh is below Shaw Barrett and JPP in terms of priorities for me personally regarding who we re-sign.


Even Nassib, who I like, he plays with heart

Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:29 pm

Doctor wrote:
MJW wrote:I keep doing mocks, and with us now in the early teens, I keep ending up with Derrick Brown. Which, while not an offensive lineman, would be fine.

I really like Brown. The idea of a Vea Brown interior gives me a chubb.

Honestly, I'd love to just keep Suh for the twilight of his career. So many players have shown us they can keep going strong well into their 30s, and Suh seems like that type.


I would love to see Brown, Vea, and Suh together. With LVD and White and Whitehead, best of luck running on that group. If Brown matured quickly and Suh had another strong year, that run D would be legendary.
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