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Postby real bucs fan » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:24 am

uscbucsfan wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:You mean like we did with Perriman and Scotty Miller?

WR is one of those positions where we can find an impact player on Day 2. It would be well worth it. Haven't looked at this years draft class extensively, but adding a guy like the aforementioned Johnson, or Hardman, or McLaurin, or Campbell, or Isabella etc on Day 2 would be a huge benefit to this team.

Mentality like this is why we have the issues we do with our roster.

We have 2 of the top WRs in the league and 2 great TE pass catchers, but we lack talent all over the rest of our team....

Let's target a WR in the 2nd!

How would you rank the needs of the roster? We need an OT, which we can get in round 1. We need a FS which we can get in FA. We’ve already spent a **** load of day 2 picks on CBs...

We need a 3rd WR as much as anything. And as long as BA is our coach, we will target one early. Maybe you weren’t paying attention but this is a coach who wanted to keep D-Jax. Who wanted to draft Diontae Johnson on Day 2. And that was before this year where Perriman and Miller **** the bed. Prepare yourself to be disappointed.... an upgrade at 3rd WR will be a priority this offseason (as long as Arians doesn’t retire).
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Postby MJW » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:58 am

real bucs fan wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:Mentality like this is why we have the issues we do with our roster.

We have 2 of the top WRs in the league and 2 great TE pass catchers, but we lack talent all over the rest of our team....

Let's target a WR in the 2nd!

How would you rank the needs of the roster? We need an OT, which we can get in round 1. We need a FS which we can get in FA. We’ve already spent a **** load of day 2 picks on CBs...

We need a 3rd WR as much as anything. And as long as BA is our coach, we will target one early. Maybe you weren’t paying attention but this is a coach who wanted to keep D-Jax. Who wanted to draft Diontae Johnson on Day 2. And that was before this year where Perriman and Miller **** the bed. Prepare yourself to be disappointed.... an upgrade at 3rd WR will be a priority this offseason (as long as Arians doesn’t retire).


1) Quarterback. Not saying it has to be done in the draft. But it has to be done. Seeing Licht stand up there, spewing the same BS for a Jameis extension he did for a Donovan Smith extension (Continuity! Health! Thin market!)...ugh. I don't know if I can take another wasted year with this idiot.

2) Tackle. Either. Both. Donovan Smith still sucks. Dot is cooked. I accept Smith isn't going anywhere, but we need at least two new tackles (one to replace Dot, one to challenge Smith, and/or be the swing guy.)

3) Edge Rush. None of our top three rushers (JPP, Shaq, Nassib) are under contract right now. And even if they're all back, we could be better.

4) Wide Receiver. The 3rd receiver is a starter in this offense. Perriman isn't good enough. There's nothing behind him, and for whatever reason Watson seems to be on Arians's **** list. We need an upgrade.

5) Safety. There has been a lot of gushing about Whitehead and Edwards. There have also been a lot of big plays down the field in the passing game. I'm okay with one of them starting and the other playing major snaps in sub packages. But I want an adult with real range starting also.

6) Returner. TJ Logan sucks and we don't have one on the roster currently. This is a tough spot to fill, because you just don't know.

7) Defensive Line. Vea is a given. Gholston is a nice player. But Suh and Allen are free agents

8) Interior Line. Jensen is overpaid. Cappa is a work in progress. And there's zero depth.

9) Running Back. Rojo is the guy, but he's still a 2 down back. Barber is a free agent.

10) Punter. Pinion has rebounded from a rough start, but he's still grossly overpaid.
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Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Postby real bucs fan » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:17 am

MJW wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:How would you rank the needs of the roster? We need an OT, which we can get in round 1. We need a FS which we can get in FA. We’ve already spent a **** load of day 2 picks on CBs...

We need a 3rd WR as much as anything. And as long as BA is our coach, we will target one early. Maybe you weren’t paying attention but this is a coach who wanted to keep D-Jax. Who wanted to draft Diontae Johnson on Day 2. And that was before this year where Perriman and Miller **** the bed. Prepare yourself to be disappointed.... an upgrade at 3rd WR will be a priority this offseason (as long as Arians doesn’t retire).


1) Quarterback. Not saying it has to be done in the draft. But it has to be done. Seeing Licht stand up there, spewing the same BS for a Jameis extension he did for a Donovan Smith extension (Continuity! Health! Thin market!)...ugh. I don't know if I can take another wasted year with this idiot.

2) Tackle. Either. Both. Donovan Smith still sucks. Dot is cooked. I accept Smith isn't going anywhere, but we need at least two new tackles (one to replace Dot, one to challenge Smith, and/or be the swing guy.)

3) Edge Rush. None of our top three rushers (JPP, Shaq, Nassib) are under contract right now. And even if they're all back, we could be better.

4) Wide Receiver. The 3rd receiver is a starter in this offense. Perriman isn't good enough. There's nothing behind him, and for whatever reason Watson seems to be on Arians's **** list. We need an upgrade.

5) Safety. There has been a lot of gushing about Whitehead and Edwards. There have also been a lot of big plays down the field in the passing game. I'm okay with one of them starting and the other playing major snaps in sub packages. But I want an adult with real range starting also.

6) Returner. TJ Logan sucks and we don't have one on the roster currently. This is a tough spot to fill, because you just don't know.

7) Defensive Line. Vea is a given. Gholston is a nice player. But Suh and Allen are free agents

8) Interior Line. Jensen is overpaid. Cappa is a work in progress. And there's zero depth.

9) Running Back. Rojo is the guy, but he's still a 2 down back. Barber is a free agent.

10) Punter. Pinion has rebounded from a rough start, but he's still grossly overpaid.

QB is the x-factor, but after that I agree with the next 4 as our real “needs”. Though Whitehead is a player, and Edge is dependent on FA. Also passing on edge at 5 last year might mean it’s not rated highly by this defence.
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Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Postby MJW » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:05 am

real bucs fan wrote:
MJW wrote:
1) Quarterback. Not saying it has to be done in the draft. But it has to be done. Seeing Licht stand up there, spewing the same BS for a Jameis extension he did for a Donovan Smith extension (Continuity! Health! Thin market!)...ugh. I don't know if I can take another wasted year with this idiot.

2) Tackle. Either. Both. Donovan Smith still sucks. Dot is cooked. I accept Smith isn't going anywhere, but we need at least two new tackles (one to replace Dot, one to challenge Smith, and/or be the swing guy.)

3) Edge Rush. None of our top three rushers (JPP, Shaq, Nassib) are under contract right now. And even if they're all back, we could be better.

4) Wide Receiver. The 3rd receiver is a starter in this offense. Perriman isn't good enough. There's nothing behind him, and for whatever reason Watson seems to be on Arians's **** list. We need an upgrade.

5) Safety. There has been a lot of gushing about Whitehead and Edwards. There have also been a lot of big plays down the field in the passing game. I'm okay with one of them starting and the other playing major snaps in sub packages. But I want an adult with real range starting also.

6) Returner. TJ Logan sucks and we don't have one on the roster currently. This is a tough spot to fill, because you just don't know.

7) Defensive Line. Vea is a given. Gholston is a nice player. But Suh and Allen are free agents

8) Interior Line. Jensen is overpaid. Cappa is a work in progress. And there's zero depth.

9) Running Back. Rojo is the guy, but he's still a 2 down back. Barber is a free agent.

10) Punter. Pinion has rebounded from a rough start, but he's still grossly overpaid.

QB is the x-factor, but after that I agree with the next 4 as our real “needs”. Though Whitehead is a player, and Edge is dependent on FA. Also passing on edge at 5 last year might mean it’s not rated highly by this defence.


QB is indeed it's own thing. I don't want to hijack every single thread with it.

As for the rest of it, passing on Allen was a mistake. If that turns out to be a freezing cold take, I'll own it. It will hardly be my first. But there it is. The guy has 7 sacks this year already. Licht go laser-locked onto a target again and didn't waver when a top three player was there at 5. It was a mistake, and we're going to spend ten years paying for it.

That said, I don't think it's due to an organizational philosophy or anything.

Back to the draft, I'm confident in saying this:

- We're not drafting an Off The Ball linebacker in the 1st round.
- We're not drafting a Tight End in the 1st round.
- We're not drafting a tailback in the 1st round.
- And, hopefully, we're not drafting a specialist in the 1st round.

Quarterback, Wide Receiver, ANY spot on the OL, ANY spot on the DL, an Edge, or ANY spot in the secondary (even corner?) All on the table.

And after giving it some more thought, I think WR is more likely than most are giving credit to. Third wide receiver, again, absolutely is a starting spot in this offense. Neither Evans or Godwin are the type of "WOOSH" flankers that Arians craves.

Imagine Mike Evans as the do-all split end, Chris Godwin in the slot, and, say, Jerry Jeudy at flanker? Or CeeDee Lamb?

You know me. If there's one thing you know about me, it's that I'm a line freak. And I would be pissed if we don't take a QB or an OL/Front Seven dude. But would I enjoy the fireworks? Heck yeah.
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Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Postby uscbucsfan » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:30 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you (MJW) expressed openness and at times a desire to take a WR high in each of the past 2 years.

I'm fundamentally against planning to take a WR that high at this point in the season.

Assuming Jameis comes back, which I feel RBF is and regardless of the fanbase is still the most likely scenario, we need:


OT-I'd be happy to double down here.
EDGE
CB- Yes, we can't give up on this. At this point we can't just assume it'll be fixed in FA and it's the biggest reason we are losing games.
FS
Then I'd put WR3 right here, potentially with RB.

I get that a 3rd WR is important in this offense, but planning that much draft capital/ money into a position like that when we have the league's worst tackle situation, secondary group, and a QB who should be replaced is ridiculous.
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Postby MJW » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:50 am

uscbucsfan wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but you (MJW) expressed openness and at times a desire to take a WR high in each of the past 2 years.

I'm fundamentally against planning to take a WR that high at this point in the season.

Assuming Jameis comes back, which I feel RBF is and regardless of the fanbase is still the most likely scenario, we need:


OT-I'd be happy to double down here.
EDGE
CB- Yes, we can't give up on this. At this point we can't just assume it'll be fixed in FA and it's the biggest reason we are losing games.
FS
Then I'd put WR3 right here, potentially with RB.

I get that a 3rd WR is important in this offense, but planning that much draft capital/ money into a position like that when we have the league's worst tackle situation, secondary group, and a QB who should be replaced is ridiculous.


Oh, lord, please don't take what I'm saying as me wanting this to happen. My point is simply that if it DID happen, it would be fun to watch.

If I was GM of the Buccaneers, our last ten #1 picks would have been (based on who was there when we were on the clock, and without hindsight:)

2019 Josh Allen
2018 Marcus Davenport
2017 Ryan Ramcyzk
2016 Laremy Tunsil
2015 Leonard Williams
2014 Anthony Barr (Sorry, ME)
2013 Star Lotulelei (No Revis Trade, obviously)
2012 Fletcher Cox or Dontari Poe (Can't recall which one I liked more)
2011 Danny Watkins (Oops)
2010 Gerald McCoy

No joke. These are the players I would have taken.
3 Pass Rushers
3 Offensive Linemen
4 Defensive Tackles

That's who I am.
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Postby MJW » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:56 am

This past draft, again, without hindsight, would have been:

1st Round: Josh Allen, Edge, Kentucky
2nd Round: Dalton Risner, OL, Kansas State
3rd Round: Yodny Cajuste, OL, West Virginia
3rd Round: Ryan Finley, QB, NC State
4th Round: Rennell Wren, DL, Arizona State
5th Round: Blake Cashman, LB, Minnesota
6th Round: Devine Ozigbo, RB, Nebraska
7th Round: Anthony Johnson, WR, Buffalo

I'm fairly sure I talked up all those players during the process.

The point is, you build through the OL and the front seven.
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Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:53 am

I had every confidence we were taking Risner in the second. It made too much sense.
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Postby mdb1958 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:42 am

MJW wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:QB is the x-factor, but after that I agree with the next 4 as our real “needs”. Though Whitehead is a player, and Edge is dependent on FA. Also passing on edge at 5 last year might mean it’s not rated highly by this defence.


QB is indeed it's own thing. I don't want to hijack every single thread with it.

As for the rest of it, passing on Allen was a mistake. If that turns out to be a freezing cold take, I'll own it. It will hardly be my first. But there it is. The guy has 7 sacks this year already. Licht go laser-locked onto a target again and didn't waver when a top three player was there at 5. It was a mistake, and we're going to spend ten years paying for it.

That said, I don't think it's due to an organizational philosophy or anything.

Back to the draft, I'm confident in saying this:

- We're not drafting an Off The Ball linebacker in the 1st round.
- We're not drafting a Tight End in the 1st round.
- We're not drafting a tailback in the 1st round.
- And, hopefully, we're not drafting a specialist in the 1st round.

Quarterback, Wide Receiver, ANY spot on the OL, ANY spot on the DL, an Edge, or ANY spot in the secondary (even corner?) All on the table.

And after giving it some more thought, I think WR is more likely than most are giving credit to. Third wide receiver, again, absolutely is a starting spot in this offense. Neither Evans or Godwin are the type of "WOOSH" flankers that Arians craves.

Imagine Mike Evans as the do-all split end, Chris Godwin in the slot, and, say, Jerry Jeudy at flanker? Or CeeDee Lamb?

You know me. If there's one thing you know about me, it's that I'm a line freak. And I would be pissed if we don't take a QB or an OL/Front Seven dude. But would I enjoy the fireworks? Heck yeah.



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Re: With the first pick of the 2020 draft, the buccaneers se

Postby real bucs fan » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:20 am

MJW wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:QB is the x-factor, but after that I agree with the next 4 as our real “needs”. Though Whitehead is a player, and Edge is dependent on FA. Also passing on edge at 5 last year might mean it’s not rated highly by this defence.


QB is indeed it's own thing. I don't want to hijack every single thread with it.

As for the rest of it, passing on Allen was a mistake. If that turns out to be a freezing cold take, I'll own it. It will hardly be my first. But there it is. The guy has 7 sacks this year already. Licht go laser-locked onto a target again and didn't waver when a top three player was there at 5. It was a mistake, and we're going to spend ten years paying for it.

That said, I don't think it's due to an organizational philosophy or anything.

Back to the draft, I'm confident in saying this:

- We're not drafting an Off The Ball linebacker in the 1st round.
- We're not drafting a Tight End in the 1st round.
- We're not drafting a tailback in the 1st round.
- And, hopefully, we're not drafting a specialist in the 1st round.

Quarterback, Wide Receiver, ANY spot on the OL, ANY spot on the DL, an Edge, or ANY spot in the secondary (even corner?) All on the table.

And after giving it some more thought, I think WR is more likely than most are giving credit to. Third wide receiver, again, absolutely is a starting spot in this offense. Neither Evans or Godwin are the type of "WOOSH" flankers that Arians craves.

Imagine Mike Evans as the do-all split end, Chris Godwin in the slot, and, say, Jerry Jeudy at flanker? Or CeeDee Lamb?

You know me. If there's one thing you know about me, it's that I'm a line freak. And I would be pissed if we don't take a QB or an OL/Front Seven dude. But would I enjoy the fireworks? Heck yeah.

Im hoping we sign a FS, and find a way to bring back JPP and Barrett. I’m also hoping SMB/Davis/Dean show promise down the stretch.

If we can do those things, the top needs are clearly OT and WR. OT can be addressed in round 1. WR on Day 2.
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Postby BacksidePursuit » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:41 am

If we somehow land Chase Young then it was all worth it.


I know it's a pipe dream.
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Postby real bucs fan » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:50 am

BacksidePursuit wrote:If we somehow land Chase Young then it was all worth it.


I know it's a pipe dream.

Aint happening lol
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Postby BacksidePursuit » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:14 am

real bucs fan wrote:
BacksidePursuit wrote:If we somehow land Chase Young then it was all worth it.


I know it's a pipe dream.

Aint happening lol

He'll be a Falcon knowing our luck.
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Postby MJW » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:33 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:I had every confidence we were taking Risner in the second. It made too much sense.


Yep. Dude easily could have gone top 25. I thought for sure he'd go to Houston at #23 once Andre Dillard was gone, and after that, the Seahawks at 29. Figured that would be as far as he fell. He can play four positions. He's a good comp to Cody Whitehair, already one of the best interior linemen in the game. I was thrilled he was sitting there at 39. We found our RG this year, and probably Dot's replacement next year. Or maybe even Donovan Smith's.

Nope. We took a corner described as "A solid Day three corner" pretty much everywhere.

I hate repeating myself, but I'm so good at it: Licht's refusal to draft linemen is the worst thing about his tenure. And you know he's done a lot of stuff I don't like. But this isn't one bad call. Or five bad calls. EVERYONE makes bad calls. This is a total philosophical failure.
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Postby Alpha » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:30 am

MJW wrote:This past draft, again, without hindsight, would have been:

1st Round: Josh Allen, Edge, Kentucky
2nd Round: Dalton Risner, OL, Kansas State
3rd Round: Yodny Cajuste, OL, West Virginia
3rd Round: Ryan Finley, QB, NC State
4th Round: Rennell Wren, DL, Arizona State
5th Round: Blake Cashman, LB, Minnesota
6th Round: Devine Ozigbo, RB, Nebraska :fart:
7th Round: Anthony Johnson, WR, Buffalo

I'm fairly sure I talked up all those players during the process.

The point is, you build through the OL and the front seven.


Although I agree that you start with the OL...what you're saying here is ****ing non-sense.

What you're saying...is that ENTERING THIS YEAR...you were perfectly OK with what we had in the secondary.

You have GOT to be ****ing kidding. I know it doesn't look good right now...but we are starting ALL KINDS of kids in the secondary this year. VH3 is the VET...and this is his 3rd year!!! His 2nd if you grant that he lost last year due to injury.

Our secondary ENTERING THIS YEAR was a friggin' DISASTER. Hell...you can make the case that it STILL IS! This isn't 1965. Teams throw the ball at an unprecedented rate. You HAVE to have a LOT of good players in the back end. We had...not many. If any.

I'm not saying your picks would suck...I'm simply stating that there is a LOT of work to do and starting with the secondary (which they clearly decided to do), wasn't the worst decision of all time.
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Postby MJW » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:57 am

Alpha wrote:
MJW wrote:This past draft, again, without hindsight, would have been:

1st Round: Josh Allen, Edge, Kentucky
2nd Round: Dalton Risner, OL, Kansas State
3rd Round: Yodny Cajuste, OL, West Virginia
3rd Round: Ryan Finley, QB, NC State
4th Round: Rennell Wren, DL, Arizona State
5th Round: Blake Cashman, LB, Minnesota
6th Round: Devine Ozigbo, RB, Nebraska :fart:
7th Round: Anthony Johnson, WR, Buffalo

I'm fairly sure I talked up all those players during the process.

The point is, you build through the OL and the front seven.


Although I agree that you start with the OL...what you're saying here is ****ing non-sense.

What you're saying...is that ENTERING THIS YEAR...you were perfectly OK with what we had in the secondary.

You have GOT to be ****ing kidding. I know it doesn't look good right now...but we are starting ALL KINDS of kids in the secondary this year. VH3 is the VET...and this is his 3rd year!!! His 2nd if you grant that he lost last year due to injury.

Our secondary ENTERING THIS YEAR was a friggin' DISASTER. Hell...you can make the case that it STILL IS! This isn't 1965. Teams throw the ball at an unprecedented rate. You HAVE to have a LOT of good players in the back end. We had...not many. If any.

I'm not saying your picks would suck...I'm simply stating that there is a LOT of work to do and starting with the secondary (which they clearly decided to do), wasn't the worst decision of all time.


I don't disagree that the secondary needed work. There are a lot of units that need work, because our GM sucks.

I am saying that if you gave me the choice between using capital on the offensive line or the secondary, I will pick the first one unless we're trotting out the '95 Cowboys line.

In fact, besides quarterback, the OL is the first thing I'd use capital on. Then the pass rush. Then probably the secondary. And I daresay that the results would be better than what we just did.
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Postby MJW » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:58 am

Also worth pointing out that before this draft, we had used a 2016 1st, a 2017 2nd, two 2018 2nds and a 4th, all on the secondary. I'm not saying that means it was fixed (it wasn't.) But we used 1 pick during that span on the OL.
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Postby Alpha » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:39 am

MJW wrote:
Alpha wrote:
Although I agree that you start with the OL...what you're saying here is ****ing non-sense.

What you're saying...is that ENTERING THIS YEAR...you were perfectly OK with what we had in the secondary.

You have GOT to be ****ing kidding. I know it doesn't look good right now...but we are starting ALL KINDS of kids in the secondary this year. VH3 is the VET...and this is his 3rd year!!! His 2nd if you grant that he lost last year due to injury.

Our secondary ENTERING THIS YEAR was a friggin' DISASTER. Hell...you can make the case that it STILL IS! This isn't 1965. Teams throw the ball at an unprecedented rate. You HAVE to have a LOT of good players in the back end. We had...not many. If any.

I'm not saying your picks would suck...I'm simply stating that there is a LOT of work to do and starting with the secondary (which they clearly decided to do), wasn't the worst decision of all time.


I don't disagree that the secondary needed work. There are a lot of units that need work, because our GM sucks.

I am saying that if you gave me the choice between using capital on the offensive line or the secondary, I will pick the first one unless we're trotting out the '95 Cowboys line.

In fact, besides quarterback, the OL is the first thing I'd use capital on. Then the pass rush. Then probably the secondary. And I daresay that the results would be better than what we just did.


I suppose, what I disagree with most, is taking a QB #1. I Do agree with the O-line comments.

Dak Prescott is the gold standard.

He was a VERY average SEC QB. Maybe Slightly above average. He gets drafted to a team with the BEST O-line in the NFL (when fully healthy)...and he's an All-Pro.

Drafting a QB won't do diddly-squat, if he's playing behind an o-line with NO RT and a (near) rookie RG.

****...Look at Mayfield. Besides his coach sucking...his O-line is pure GARBAGE.

The ONLY way I draft a QB (or find one in FA), is if he's better than Jameis. Frankly...unless Gruden lets Carr go (which he won't), there isn't one.

We lose when Jameis plays lights out and we lose when he plays like ****.

Give me a better defense and O-line...and watch how much better Jameis becomes...
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Postby Alpha » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:45 am

MJW wrote:Also worth pointing out that before this draft, we had used a 2016 1st, a 2017 2nd, two 2018 2nds and a 4th, all on the secondary. I'm not saying that means it was fixed (it wasn't.) But we used 1 pick during that span on the OL.


Outside of VH3...it's WAY to early to tell how good (or bad) this secondary actually is. I know it's convenient to say a draft is a bust after 1 or 2 years but for ****'s sake...we actually have a bona fide DC for once. Can we actually give him a chance to draft and develop a defense?

Better yet...this is ALL trash. Let's fire EVERYONE (again) and start over (again). This has worked out so well over the last DECADE PLUS...I'm sure it'll work THIS TIME.

Everyone needs to calm their tits and let things play out.
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Postby MJW » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:11 am

Alpha wrote:
MJW wrote:Also worth pointing out that before this draft, we had used a 2016 1st, a 2017 2nd, two 2018 2nds and a 4th, all on the secondary. I'm not saying that means it was fixed (it wasn't.) But we used 1 pick during that span on the OL.


Outside of VH3...it's WAY to early to tell how good (or bad) this secondary actually is. I know it's convenient to say a draft is a bust after 1 or 2 years but for ****'s sake...we actually have a bona fide DC for once. Can we actually give him a chance to draft and develop a defense?

Better yet...this is ALL trash. Let's fire EVERYONE (again) and start over (again). This has worked out so well over the last DECADE PLUS...I'm sure it'll work THIS TIME.

Everyone needs to calm their tits and let things play out.


I'm pretty confident that things have played out enough to determine that Licht and Winston are not part of the solution.

From there, reasonable discussion can be had.
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Postby mdb1958 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:51 am

MJW wrote:
Alpha wrote:
Outside of VH3...it's WAY to early to tell how good (or bad) this secondary actually is. I know it's convenient to say a draft is a bust after 1 or 2 years but for ****'s sake...we actually have a bona fide DC for once. Can we actually give him a chance to draft and develop a defense?

Better yet...this is ALL trash. Let's fire EVERYONE (again) and start over (again). This has worked out so well over the last DECADE PLUS...I'm sure it'll work THIS TIME.

Everyone needs to calm their tits and let things play out.


I'm pretty confident that things have played out enough to determine that Licht and Winston are not part of the solution.

From there, reasonable discussion can be had.



Umm
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Postby MJW » Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:18 am

mdb1958 wrote:
MJW wrote:
I'm pretty confident that things have played out enough to determine that Licht and Winston are not part of the solution.

From there, reasonable discussion can be had.



Winning would have made them great.


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Postby mdb1958 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:06 am

Umm.
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Postby mdb1958 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:50 am

Why not Jalen Hurts? I would think he could have people saying he's smarter than Rodgers when running the ball.
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Postby MJW » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:23 am

mdb1958 wrote:Why not Jalen Hurts? I would think he could have people saying he's smarter than Rodgers when running the ball.


Not a fan. IMHO he's a great college quarterback who will struggle mightily in the pros. Brett Hundley would probably be a fair comp. Hurts is a better athlete but he'll have the same issues. His ceiling is journeyman backup. His likely destination is Canada.
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Postby mdb1958 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:21 pm

MJW wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Why not Jalen Hurts? I would think he could have people saying he's smarter than Rodgers when running the ball.


Not a fan. IMHO he's a great college quarterback who will struggle mightily in the pros. Brett Hundley would probably be a fair comp. Hurts is a better athlete but he'll have the same issues. His ceiling is journeyman backup. His likely destination is Canada.



Cool, that way we can draft him in the 7th round.
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Postby Snake » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:32 pm

I’m ready for Joeski Burrowski!!

Woooooo!!
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Postby uscbucsfan » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:33 pm

Snake wrote:I’m ready for Joeski Burrowski!!

Woooooo!!

We don't have a shot at him or Tua realistically.
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Postby Snake » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:47 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:
Snake wrote:I’m ready for Joeski Burrowski!!

Woooooo!!

We don't have a shot at him or Tua realistically.

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Postby beardmcdoug » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:06 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:
Snake wrote:I’m ready for Joeski Burrowski!!

Woooooo!!

We don't have a shot at him or Tua realistically.


It’s time for us to dump Jameis and make our Julio/Trubisky/Mahomes/Darnold/RG3 trade up move to get one of them and move forward
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