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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:04 am

real bucs fan wrote:Stud LTs are so rare that even just decent players at the position are valuable. I'm all for upgrading Donovan Smith, but it just isn't practical since guys better than him rarely come around. In fact you could argue he's one of the best young LTs in the game...

So where would you put the emphasis on this draft class in terms of need and BPA?

Corner? Edge? Quarterback?
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Rocker » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:02 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:Stud LTs are so rare that even just decent players at the position are valuable. I'm all for upgrading Donovan Smith, but it just isn't practical since guys better than him rarely come around. In fact you could argue he's one of the best young LTs in the game...

So where would you put the emphasis on this draft class in terms of need and BPA?

Corner? Edge? Quarterback?


We need a tackle and guard on the right side. We need to find McCoy’s replacement within the next few drafts. Still need help in the secondary. LB and offensive skill positions aren’t a pressing need.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby uscbucsfan » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:43 am

Rocker wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:So where would you put the emphasis on this draft class in terms of need and BPA?

Corner? Edge? Quarterback?


We need a tackle and guard on the right side. We need to find McCoy’s replacement within the next few drafts. Still need help in the secondary. LB and offensive skill positions aren’t a pressing need.

I doubt Jackson will be here next season, regardless of how he plays.

Humphries could also be replaced...and who knows about running back. As much as people hate it, Offensive skill position could be in play next year as well.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Super K » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:46 pm

Edge and OT (to replace Dot) are our biggest needs imo...

Gmac's replacement is already here (Vea)...Allen and Unrein provide some younger vet presence...

DJax, no matter what he does this year, is gone..so are Grimes, Conte, and Sweezy....add'em all up together and their is your cap space..
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby uscbucsfan » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:45 pm

Super K wrote:Edge and OT (to replace Dot) are our biggest needs imo...

Gmac's replacement is already here (Vea)...Allen and Unrein provide some younger vet presence...

DJax, no matter what he does this year, is gone..so are Grimes, Conte, and Sweezy....add'em all up together and their is your cap space..

I don't think too many people think Vea is a replacement for Gmac, we've had this debate, but it depends on how much you think Vea can improve and what direction or defense takes in the future.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:33 pm

uscbucsfan wrote:
Super K wrote:Edge and OT (to replace Dot) are our biggest needs imo...

Gmac's replacement is already here (Vea)...Allen and Unrein provide some younger vet presence...

DJax, no matter what he does this year, is gone..so are Grimes, Conte, and Sweezy....add'em all up together and their is your cap space..

I don't think too many people think Vea is a replacement for Gmac, we've had this debate, but it depends on how much you think Vea can improve and what direction or defense takes in the future.


Vea is one of the four, you point the camera towards the other three.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby MJW » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:51 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
uscbucsfan wrote:I don't think too many people think Vea is a replacement for Gmac, we've had this debate, but it depends on how much you think Vea can improve and what direction or defense takes in the future.


Vea is one of the four, you point the camera towards the other three.


I agree.

Speaking of things people don't really want to hear, neither JPP nor Curry mitigate the need for a young edge rusher. Spence could do so if he breaks out. If he doesn't, finding another young DE because a bigger priority than finding someone to play inside with Vea.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:15 pm

MJW wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
Vea is one of the four, you point the camera towards the other three.


I agree.

Speaking of things people don't really want to hear, neither JPP nor Curry mitigate the need for a young edge rusher. Spence could do so if he breaks out. If he doesn't, finding another young DE because a bigger priority than finding someone to play inside with Vea.

Sure but I'm still iffy on the guys from Clemson.

It's not a DaQuan Bowers thing, it just seems like they are well coached in whatever system they have thaere and never seem to flourish in the league.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Nano » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:27 pm

So which QBs should we be watching?
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Cheb » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:32 pm

Nano wrote:So which QBs should we be watching?


If the Jameis situation implodes, every projected first and second rounder.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:03 pm

Cheb wrote:
Nano wrote:So which QBs should we be watching?


If the Jameis situation implodes, every projected first and second rounder.

I got Will Grier.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Nano » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:33 am

Justin Herbert from Oregon could be another option. Pretty good skill set
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Heidguy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:41 am

Jarrett Studham. I'm not a homer at all, I swear!
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:48 pm

My homie Trace McSorley
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Cheb » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:35 pm

If Winston flamed out and the Bucs asked my opinion on who they should draft to replace him, I'd go with Will Grier.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby MJW » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:40 pm

I want to love someone in this class, but right now, I don't. I have an open mind about Patterson and Stidham but I need to see more. There's a lot I like about Lock, but his bouts of inaccuracy and his goofball offense don't work for me. I haven't really watched Will Grier or Justin Herbert yet. I like Thorson from Northwestern right now. Maybe not as a high first round pick, but later on in the round or in Round 2.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:58 am

I'm for the guy that wants to have a contest with Vea for the baddest DL on the team for ten years...

Then in 1 to 3 years we should go again and it makes the first two say damn thats one bad mudder.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Super K » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:41 am

Will ****ing Grier?...

So if we, supposedly, move on from JW because of his poor decision making (off the field) we would replace him with a guy who got suspended from Florida for PEDs and, subsequently, transferred?...

That's a pipe dream..
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Cheb » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:09 am

Super K wrote:Will ****ing Grier?...

So if we, supposedly, move on from JW because of his poor decision making (off the field) we would replace him with a guy who got suspended from Florida for PEDs and, subsequently, transferred?...

That's a pipe dream..


His suspension was for an unapproved supplement, which tested for a substance he didn't even know existed.

My preference for him is a gut feeling. He has good feet, throws a catchable ball, throws guys open, and has a career 3:1 TD/INT ratio. Of the top half dozen quarterbacks in the draft, he comes closest to passing the eyeball test for me.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby MJW » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:37 am

I've watched a bit more...where I'm at:

I don't like Drew Lock's inaccuracy and one-read tendencies.
Just Herbert reminds me of Paxton Lynch with a janky delivery.
I want to see Shea Patterson win in the pocket more than he did at Ole Miss. That headless chicken thing is losing play in the NFL. I'm optimistic Harbaugh will help him a ton, though.
There are things I like about Grier. He scans the field and he's accurate. I don't like his delivery and I'm wondering about his arm strength. He really has to load up to put the ball downfield.

Right now, Stidham has most of the traits I associate with NFL quarterbacks, though he has "the offense question" to overcome.

I also like Clayton Thorson. The numbers haven't been there, but his offense is overmatched week in, week out in the Big Ten. He's got a great build, a good arm, and he's decisive in the pocket.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:03 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:Stud LTs are so rare that even just decent players at the position are valuable. I'm all for upgrading Donovan Smith, but it just isn't practical since guys better than him rarely come around. In fact you could argue he's one of the best young LTs in the game...

So where would you put the emphasis on this draft class in terms of need and BPA?

Corner? Edge? Quarterback?


Lets go with D-line power. If speed is also part of it, then we are there and now have become relevant again.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby real bucs fan » Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:28 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:Stud LTs are so rare that even just decent players at the position are valuable. I'm all for upgrading Donovan Smith, but it just isn't practical since guys better than him rarely come around. In fact you could argue he's one of the best young LTs in the game...

So where would you put the emphasis on this draft class in terms of need and BPA?

Corner? Edge? Quarterback?

By all means declare LT a need and upgrade Smith if a better player is available, my point is more that those better players rarely come around. Even Tunsil, the guy who was regarded as one of the best LTs in years has been worse than Smith. I think we had a chance at one in Cam Robinson though...
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:01 am

I think RBF is from the Algonquin tribe - I'll call him Henotno!
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:25 pm

Somebody get me out of the politics forum.

Trace McSorley. I like the way he plays. Kid has "it" but I dunno if he's got enough "it" for the next level.

Reminds me of guys like Colt McCoy and Brady Quinn.

Ceiling? I dunno, maybe Jason Campbell or Case Keenum.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Super K » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:41 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:Somebody get me out of the politics forum.

Trace McSorley. I like the way he plays. Kid has "it" but I dunno if he's got enough "it" for the next level.

Reminds me of guys like Colt McCoy and Brady Quinn.

Ceiling? I dunno, maybe Jason Campbell or Case Keenum.


Brady Quinn is an absolute awesome comp...

Both as a college player and, unfortunately, as a pro ceiling....
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:48 am

Super K wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:Somebody get me out of the politics forum.

Trace McSorley. I like the way he plays. Kid has "it" but I dunno if he's got enough "it" for the next level.

Reminds me of guys like Colt McCoy and Brady Quinn.

Ceiling? I dunno, maybe Jason Campbell or Case Keenum.


Brady Quinn is an absolute awesome comp...

Both as a college player and, unfortunately, as a pro ceiling....

mm-hm. And I don't even hate the kid or think he sucks at football, I just don't know if he translates which normally means he won't.

He could make good like any prospect could, especially if he ends up on a team that is a good fit for him. There IS some Russell Wilson in his game, but while he may have Wilson's moxie and ability to extend plays, Wilson is just so much more gifted.

I put Jake Browning in this same category.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby real bucs fan » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:58 am

I wouldn't bet against Trace. Probably a Day 3 pick at the end of the Day, but I could see him starting for a team at somepoint.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby MJW » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:08 am

Anybody want to bet that some combination of Shea Patterson, Clayton Thorson, or Brian Lewerke break the Big Ten QB curse and go in the 1st round?
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Deuce » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:53 pm

Deuce wrote:
acmillis wrote:Winston blows, we only win 3-5 games, coaching staff gets bounced, new coach doesn't like Winston


Winston will be 25 years old and he was the #1 overall pick in 2015. The chances of a new coach giving up on him are minuscule, no matter what he does this upcoming season.


Man...how things can change in 21 days.
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Re: Players We Should Be Watching (2019)

Postby Konatown » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:18 pm

I can see us targeting a mid round QB (maybe as high as a 3rd) next year as an insurance policy for Winston. Fitzy’s not getting any younger
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