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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Bootz2004 » Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:15 pm

terrytate wrote:
Teitan wrote:
Yeah, if there’s any group on the team that you can’t have enough good players at, it’s the lines.



I would add corner to that list just after the lines. Imagine if our corners were good enough to send blitzes in addition to our current crop of dlinemen.


I agree. Corner is up there too. It's just mind boggling that anyone could have that position, even when they have an agenda in play. There are 32 teams that would eat you alive if you told them that.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby theBKwhopper » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:49 pm

Teitan wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:When someone says Solidifying the offensive line is a luxury a team can't afford, that level of stupid can't be reasoned with.


Yeah, if there’s any group on the team that you can’t have enough good players at, it’s the lines.

Agreed.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby real bucs fan » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:51 pm

I didn't realize there was any position where you can have too many good players...
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby terrytate » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:07 pm

real bucs fan wrote:I didn't realize there was any position where you can have too many good players...



We will almost always have 4 or 5 linemen every play and frequently run 4 corners, so unless you think we need to carry 6 tight ends, not all positions have the same requirements.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby real bucs fan » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:28 pm

terrytate wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:I didn't realize there was any position where you can have too many good players...



We will almost always have 4 or 5 linemen every play and frequently run 4 corners, so unless you think we need to carry 6 tight ends, not all positions have the same requirements.

Of course you have your starters, but depth is good everywhere. I'd say depth is even more important at TE for example, as your depth at the position actually plays in certain formations.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Sammich » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:09 pm

real bucs fan wrote:I didn't realize there was any position where you can have too many good players...


When you factor in the normal resources required to acquire good players it is certainly possible to over invest in certain positions. The point they were making is that the lines are the only position groups where it is impossible to over invest due to the number required and their importance. Your 3rd tackle is leaps and bounds more important than your 3rd TE for example.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby terrytate » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:32 pm

Sammich wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:I didn't realize there was any position where you can have too many good players...


When you factor in the normal resources required to acquire good players it is certainly possible to over invest in certain positions. The point they were making is that the lines are the only position groups where it is impossible to over invest due to the number required and their importance. Your 3rd tackle is leaps and bounds more important than your 3rd TE for example.



Yup. And your 4th corner is more important than your 3rd tackle, since the dime is fairly common
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Bootz2004 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:56 pm

Sammich wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:I didn't realize there was any position where you can have too many good players...


When you factor in the normal resources required to acquire good players it is certainly possible to over invest in certain positions. The point they were making is that the lines are the only position groups where it is impossible to over invest due to the number required and their importance. Your 3rd tackle is leaps and bounds more important than your 3rd TE for example.


Speaking of 3rd tackle we haven't drafted one since Donovan Smith 3 years ago. He's about to be a FA and Dot will be 33 in October. We need more talent there.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Teitan » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:09 pm

real bucs fan wrote:I didn't realize there was any position where you can have too many good players...


Well you call it a luxury I call it intelligent team construction.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby terrytate » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:22 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
Sammich wrote:
When you factor in the normal resources required to acquire good players it is certainly possible to over invest in certain positions. The point they were making is that the lines are the only position groups where it is impossible to over invest due to the number required and their importance. Your 3rd tackle is leaps and bounds more important than your 3rd TE for example.


Speaking of 3rd tackle we haven't drafted one since Donovan Smith 3 years ago. He's about to be a FA and Dot will be 33 in October. We need more talent there.



I was thinking defensive tackle, but we will need an eventual replacement for Dotson if nothing else. As you said, He'll be 33 this year and hasn't started 16 games since 2014. They seem to love Smith, so he'll likely be back.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Bootz2004 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:26 pm

terrytate wrote:
Bootz2004 wrote:
Speaking of 3rd tackle we haven't drafted one since Donovan Smith 3 years ago. He's about to be a FA and Dot will be 33 in October. We need more talent there.



I was thinking defensive tackle, but we will need an eventual replacement for Dotson if nothing else. As you said, He'll be 33 this year and hasn't started 16 games since 2014. They seem to love Smith, so he'll likely be back.


DT as well.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Alpha » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:33 am

My question (nice mock, btw)...WHY would we put it out there that Marpet is moving to LG...as was mentioned a few days ago!?

IF we keep Sweezy...God help us all. This guy was a marginal player when he hit FA the first time. Injury or no...he needs to pound sand.

Would LOVE to see a Nelson at LG and Marpet at RG.

That RB runs awfully high...but in the 6th? I'd be down with that. Nice lateral quickness. I think we already have a better version of him in Barber but whatever.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Cheb » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:56 am

Alpha wrote:My question (nice mock, btw)...WHY would we put it out there that Marpet is moving to LG...as was mentioned a few days ago!?

IF we keep Sweezy...God help us all. This guy was a marginal player when he hit FA the first time. Injury or no...he needs to pound sand.

Would LOVE to see a Nelson at LG and Marpet at RG.

That RB runs awfully high...but in the 6th? I'd be down with that. Nice lateral quickness. I think we already have a better version of him in Barber but whatever.


If we keep Sweezy then moving Marpet to LG is the simplest solution. Up until the point that Sweezy is replaced, either by trade or cut or we draft his replacement, he is the presumptive starter at right guard. Given our shiny new center acquisition, moving Marpet to left guard gets the best guys on the field.

Adams has intriguing traits for a sixth rounder. At that point in the draft everyone has warts, but he can be LeGarrette Blount 2.0
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Jason Bourne » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:06 am

Alpha wrote:My question (nice mock, btw)...WHY would we put it out there that Marpet is moving to LG...as was mentioned a few days ago!?

IF we keep Sweezy...God help us all. This guy was a marginal player when he hit FA the first time. Injury or no...he needs to pound sand.

Would LOVE to see a Nelson at LG and Marpet at RG.

That RB runs awfully high...but in the 6th? I'd be down with that. Nice lateral quickness. I think we already have a better version of him in Barber but whatever.


I think its a smoke screen,Licht is hoping Nelson is there so he can sprint up to the podium.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby MJW » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:20 am

It can't be said enough, but if you're trying to figure out what we'll do by unpacking what the organization puts on record, you're going to have a bad time.

I would be looking at who OBP ISN'T talking about, and what positions they AREN'T steering conversations toward.

That's why I think/hope we're targeting Denzel Ward. Licht has not expended much wind on the cornerback position, considering what a mess it is.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Teitan » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:44 am

MJW wrote:It can't be said enough, but if you're trying to figure out what we'll do by unpacking what the organization puts on record, you're going to have a bad time.

I would be looking at who OBP ISN'T talking about, and what positions they AREN'T steering conversations toward.

That's why I think/hope we're targeting Denzel Ward. Licht has not expended much wind on the cornerback position, considering what a mess it is.


Koetter has. In fact, he said he expects to address the secondary in the draft.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby MJW » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:48 am

Teitan wrote:
MJW wrote:It can't be said enough, but if you're trying to figure out what we'll do by unpacking what the organization puts on record, you're going to have a bad time.

I would be looking at who OBP ISN'T talking about, and what positions they AREN'T steering conversations toward.

That's why I think/hope we're targeting Denzel Ward. Licht has not expended much wind on the cornerback position, considering what a mess it is.


Koetter has. In fact, he said he expects to address the secondary in the draft.


I missed that. I guess Ward is out.

Who HASN'T he mentioned?
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Cheb » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:55 am

MJW wrote:
Teitan wrote:
Koetter has. In fact, he said he expects to address the secondary in the draft.


I missed that. I guess Ward is out.

Who HASN'T he mentioned?


A quarterback

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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:53 am

Koetter is a straight shooter. He knows that teams know where we need help. He pretty much said RB and DB will be taken in the draft, and it's easy to see why when you just glimpse at the roster.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Bootz2004 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:00 am

real bucs fan wrote:Koetter is a straight shooter. He knows that teams know where we need help. He pretty much said RB and DB will be taken in the draft, and it's easy to see why when you just glimpse at the roster.


If he were a straight shooter there would be no need for "he pretty much said". He would have said it clear as day and he didn't.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby beardmcdoug » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:02 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:Koetter is a straight shooter. He knows that teams know where we need help. He pretty much said RB and DB will be taken in the draft, and it's easy to see why when you just glimpse at the roster.


If he were a straight shooter there would be no need for "he pretty much said". He would have said it clear as day and he didn't.


holy **** lmao
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Doctor » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:08 am

Honestly, it's really hard to ruin any mock that has us taking Nelson.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby terrytate » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:01 am

Doctor wrote:Honestly, it's really hard to ruin any mock that has us taking Nelson.



I disagree. While Nelson alone might make a draft decent, I would still be critical if they did something as boneheaded as the Aguayo or Dexter Jackson picks. For example, I'd be unhappy with Key or Penny in round 2.

Any of us fans could draft Nelson and win in the first round. A real GM is supposed to make hay in the later rounds too.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:27 am

Yeah, but to pick someone else when Nelson is still on board would be crazy. It would have to be a trade down with another target in mind. Least thats the way I see it. If you dont pick him, you get all you can from some one else and take another guy.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Super K » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:34 am

mdb1958 wrote:Yeah, but to pick someone else when Nelson is still on board would be crazy. It would have to be a trade down with another target in mind. Least thats the way I see it. If you dont pick him, you get all you can from some one else and take another guy.


Yep...
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:52 am

Super K wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Yeah, but to pick someone else when Nelson is still on board would be crazy. It would have to be a trade down with another target in mind. Least thats the way I see it. If you dont pick him, you get all you can from some one else and take another guy.


Yep...


Cheb will love this: Trade with Oakland for 10,75,212.216 plus swap DJ for Obi.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Cheb » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:54 am

mdb1958 wrote:
Super K wrote:
Yep...


Cheb will love this: Trade with Oakland for 10,75,212.216 plus swap DJ for Obi.


Why would Oakland trade five draft picks to move up three spots? In this scenario, they'd be guaranteed either Edmunds, Roquan or Ward, players who they would be thrilled to have for a defense in need of linebacking and corner talent. Plus they wouldn't create an unnecessary hole by trading Obi, a high draft pick for them last year who is a penciled in starter. And they would trade for Desean Jackson, whose contract would be too expensive for them so close to the cap limit, who plays at a position where their top two guys in Jordy Nelson and Amari Cooper are pretty set.

Unlikely times ten, mdb.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby mdb1958 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:02 am

Um, 3 draft picks.
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Cheb » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:58 am

mdb1958 wrote:Um, 3 draft picks.


Four, actually. Apparently counting is hard for both of us :)
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Re: Cheb's Official Post Free Agency Mock 2018

Postby Bootz2004 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:01 am

Cheb wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Um, 3 draft picks.


Four, actually. Apparently counting is hard for both of us :)


I think mdb meant 3 extra picks. The 7 & 10 cancel each other out. Oakland would give up 3 extra picks in that scenario.
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