Cheb wrote:Personally, I already hate the wide receiver who throughout his college career showed great hands, but dropped two passes in the gauntlet drill. What a scrub.
DreadNaught wrote:Quinton Nelson continue to exceed expectations (which are already high), just knocked out 35 reps of 225lbs.
DreadNaught wrote:Quinton Nelson continue to exceed expectations (which are already high), just knocked out 35 reps of 225lbs.
mdb1958 wrote:I'm still thinking Tremaine Edmunds defensive end.
I Are Serious Poster wrote:DreadNaught wrote:Quinton Nelson continue to exceed expectations (which are already high), just knocked out 35 reps of 225lbs.
Will Hernandez says "Hola."
37 reps
DreadNaught wrote:I Are Serious Poster wrote:
Will Hernandez says "Hola."
37 reps
32" arms also. Still very impressive, but shorter arms make higher reps much easier due to range of motion. Nelson's arms are 2" longer.
Orlando Brown has 35" arms and only did 14 reps. I don't think his strength is an issue.
I like Hernandez, I just think he needs to go to a iso-power based running team like the Jags. He feet and arm length are a concern in pass protection.
Notre Dame OG Quenton Nelson was asked what his mindset is in the trenches: “I want to dominate all of my opponents, and take their will away to play the game.”
DreadNaught wrote:mdb1958 wrote:I'm still thinking Tremaine Edmunds defensive end.
Depends on who drafts him. He's not a DE though. I could see him rushing in certain situations, but I think he's best suited to be an Anthony Barr type of player.
As a LB it's easier to scheme it so that Barr/Edmunds have a RB responsible for them pass protection where they have a significant size/strength advantage vs most RBs. I don't think Barr or Edmunds would be nearly as effective if they had an OT blocking them every play, which would be the case if they played DE/EDGE full time.
DreadNaught wrote:I Are Serious Poster wrote:
Will Hernandez says "Hola."
37 reps
32" arms also. Still very impressive, but shorter arms make higher reps much easier due to range of motion. Nelson's arms are 2" longer.
Orlando Brown has 35" arms and only did 14 reps. I don't think his strength is an issue.
I like Hernandez, I just think he needs to go to a iso-power based running team like the Jags. He feet and arm length are a concern in pass protection.
DreadNaught wrote:I Are Serious Poster wrote:
Will Hernandez says "Hola."
37 reps
32" arms also. Still very impressive, but shorter arms make higher reps much easier due to range of motion. Nelson's arms are 2" longer.
Orlando Brown has 35" arms and only did 14 reps. I don't think his strength is an issue.
I like Hernandez, I just think he needs to go to a iso-power based running team like the Jags. He feet and arm length are a concern in pass protection.
Mountaineer Buc wrote:DreadNaught wrote:
32" arms also. Still very impressive, but shorter arms make higher reps much easier due to range of motion. Nelson's arms are 2" longer.
Orlando Brown has 35" arms and only did 14 reps. I don't think his strength is an issue.
I like Hernandez, I just think he needs to go to a iso-power based running team like the Jags. He feet and arm length are a concern in pass protection.
I think you're nitpicking. Hernandez is a great prospect for all 32 teams to consider.
Bootz2004 wrote:DreadNaught wrote:
32" arms also. Still very impressive, but shorter arms make higher reps much easier due to range of motion. Nelson's arms are 2" longer.
Orlando Brown has 35" arms and only did 14 reps. I don't think his strength is an issue.
I like Hernandez, I just think he needs to go to a iso-power based running team like the Jags. He feet and arm length are a concern in pass protection.
That's complete fiction. Shorter arms don't give you a higher rep advantage.
DreadNaught wrote:Bootz2004 wrote:
That's complete fiction. Shorter arms don't give you a higher rep advantage.
How many powerlifters you see with long arms? You even seen basketball players in the gym working out, they moving heavy weight?
Mountaineer Buc wrote:DreadNaught wrote:
How many powerlifters you see with long arms? You even seen basketball players in the gym working out, they moving heavy weight?
Basketball players are not powerlifters. Completely different type of athlete. C'mon now.
Bootz2004 wrote:DreadNaught wrote:
Depends on who drafts him. He's not a DE though. I could see him rushing in certain situations, but I think he's best suited to be an Anthony Barr type of player.
As a LB it's easier to scheme it so that Barr/Edmunds have a RB responsible for them pass protection where they have a significant size/strength advantage vs most RBs. I don't think Barr or Edmunds would be nearly as effective if they had an OT blocking them every play, which would be the case if they played DE/EDGE full time.
Barr is exactly who I thought of. I recall many hyping him up as a guy who would become a rush LB or even DE because of his size and measurables. But the reality is for Barr and Edmunds forcing them into that role would be a terrible mistake and misuse of their talents. Barr has become one of the top LBs in the league and Edmunds has that ability as well.
Bootz2004 wrote:DreadNaught wrote:
32" arms also. Still very impressive, but shorter arms make higher reps much easier due to range of motion. Nelson's arms are 2" longer.
Orlando Brown has 35" arms and only did 14 reps. I don't think his strength is an issue.
I like Hernandez, I just think he needs to go to a iso-power based running team like the Jags. He feet and arm length are a concern in pass protection.
That's complete fiction. Shorter arms don't give you a higher rep advantage.
Bench press is a poor indicator of functional strength for NFL prospects. Especially Oline and Dline players. I think squatting would be slightly better as they'd have to demonstrate strength in their core and lower base. These bench press numbers mean about as much as the 40 does.
DreadNaught wrote:Orlando Brown has 35" arms and only did 14 reps. I don't think his strength is an issue.
DreadNaught wrote:Mountaineer Buc wrote:I think you're nitpicking. Hernandez is a great prospect for all 32 teams to consider.
I'm certainly being nit-picky. But imo Hernandez is not as scheme versatile as Billy Price or Isiah Wynn. Hernandez is certainly better in certain aspects, but he's worse in more than some of these other guys clustered in the day 2 range.
Point is, if you want your Olinemen moving their feet in your offense, like a ZBS w/ lots of screens and outside runs a Guard prospect like Hernandez won't carry as high a grade for you as he would for a team like the Jags.
I don't mean to describe Hernandez as a statue b/c he does move ok. It just isn't his strength or even something I'd consider to be average for a top 50 prospect (which I think he is). Combine that with his below average arm length and it's a just some concerns. He certainly has upside as a dominant run blocker.
Naismith wrote:DreadNaught wrote:Orlando Brown has 35" arms and only did 14 reps. I don't think his strength is an issue.
Strength will definitely be an issue. The only reason it's not a complete red flag is that it's likely easily fixable for a guy that size to add strength. But if he stays a 14 rep guy, he will definitely have trouble with the power of NFL defenders.
You are right about the arms, though. It's much more difficult for people with longer arms to bench weight and reps than someone with short arms.
I Are Serious Poster wrote:Naismith wrote:
Strength will definitely be an issue. The only reason it's not a complete red flag is that it's likely easily fixable for a guy that size to add strength. But if he stays a 14 rep guy, he will definitely have trouble with the power of NFL defenders.
You are right about the arms, though. It's much more difficult for people with longer arms to bench weight and reps than someone with short arms.
14 reps at his size with 4 years in an elite program's strength and nutrition programs is not normally something that can be fixed. Although, he did shed 75 pounds since arriving at OU in the wake of his father's untimely death, so -- maybe? *lifts palms and shrugs*
terrytate wrote:I wonder what the possibility of drafting Nelson and putting him at LT is. Could he be worse than Donovan Smith? He seems to have everything Smith does and more.
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