Super K wrote:Jason Bourne wrote:
only deal that could possibly happen is getting buffalo's 2 first rd pics for our #7 because they do need a qb . but i think they sign a vet Qb instead.
While possible, it's not very probable...
We aren't the "jump to pick" for a QB that falls out of the top 5..
Why wouldn't teams look to trade up, and give up less, to 8,9 or 10?
Hell, even 11 and 12 are murky...
real bucs fan wrote:I like where we are in his draft. At least one of Chubb, Barkley, Fitz or Nelson will be there. Whoever it is, you take. Simple.
mdb1958 wrote:real bucs fan wrote:I like where we are in his draft. At least one of Chubb, Barkley, Fitz or Nelson will be there. Whoever it is, you take. Simple.
We announce a trade that sends Barkley to the Bears for a 2019 2nd round pick. Then we sell Nelson to the 49ers for their 74th pick and pick Chubb with the ninth pick.
Super K wrote:mdb1958 wrote:
We announce a trade that sends Barkley to the Bears for a 2019 2nd round pick. Then we sell Nelson to the 49ers for their 74th pick and pick Chubb with the ninth pick.
And the Bears, who have Jordan Howard and Tarik Cohen already in their backfield, covet Barkley because?
mdb1958 wrote:OK Nelson to the Bears and Barkley to the 49ers.
Alpha wrote:Mountaineer Buc wrote:B A R K L E Y !
In which alternative universe, do you believe that Barkley is going to be around at 7?
I LOVE the craziness.
Chubb, Barkley...these guys aren't around at 7. They are arguably the 2 best offensive/defensive players in this draft. And as much as I'd like to believe that the first 5 picks are gonna be QB's...they likely won't be.
You're likely looking at 2 QB's going in the first 7. That leaves FIVE "other" players. Hell...for shits and giggles, make it 3 QB's in the top 7 and 4 "others".
Who are the 4 best "other" prospects?
Barkely
Chubb
Nelson
Fitzpatrick
Sound about right? This is, at this point, pretty much the concensus. Sure...some craziness could happen with a fast riser...but y'all need to get a hold of yourselves.
And just stop with the "trade down" scenarios. This isn't the movie "Draft Day". Don't be a dumb-ass.
Bootz2004 wrote:Super K wrote:
While possible, it's not very probable...
We aren't the "jump to pick" for a QB that falls out of the top 5..
Why wouldn't teams look to trade up, and give up less, to 8,9 or 10?
Hell, even 11 and 12 are murky...
I agree that we aren't the jump to point....Its much sooner than us. I agree with MJW that the QBs in this draft are better than last years when all 3 QBs were traded up for. As such teams will look to move up sooner. I look at New York,Indy & Cleveland at 2, 3 & 4 as the jump to points for QBs. Teams like Washington, Arizona, Buffalo armed with 2 1st round picks. Hell the Jets and Broncos might try to jocky for position over 1 another. 7 is too late IMO.
As such that'll leave other great prospects available. The main 4 everyone is stuck like glue on right now, at least 3 will be there because as we've seen with the draft it doesn't pan out the way you guys think.
mdb1958 wrote:OK Nelson to the Bears and Barkley to the 49ers.
Super K wrote:Bootz2004 wrote:
I agree that we aren't the jump to point....Its much sooner than us. I agree with MJW that the QBs in this draft are better than last years when all 3 QBs were traded up for. As such teams will look to move up sooner. I look at New York,Indy & Cleveland at 2, 3 & 4 as the jump to points for QBs. Teams like Washington, Arizona, Buffalo armed with 2 1st round picks. Hell the Jets and Broncos might try to jocky for position over 1 another. 7 is too late IMO.
As such that'll leave other great prospects available. The main 4 everyone is stuck like glue on right now, at least 3 will be there because as we've seen with the draft it doesn't pan out the way you guys think.
You make a good point...
I look at it like this:
A team needs to give us (X) to get to 7...
Why would they not want to give up (X+2) and get higher ensuring they get their guy, or their choice? This is a Bootz example...
Or
Why would they not want to give up (X-2) and deal with Chi, SF etc when none of those teams are a threat to take their guy?
Just how I look at it..thinking we are GREAT trade down position is a bit optimistic imo...
I mean, every damn year someone on this forum champions how we are in a perfect situation to get a sweet deal/king's ransom to trade back..
Every damn year, nothing happens...
*outside the stupid ass Barron and VH3 drafts which really don't count because we got chump change to move back a few spots and did jack **** with said change..
Super K wrote:Bootz2004 wrote:
I agree that we aren't the jump to point....Its much sooner than us. I agree with MJW that the QBs in this draft are better than last years when all 3 QBs were traded up for. As such teams will look to move up sooner. I look at New York,Indy & Cleveland at 2, 3 & 4 as the jump to points for QBs. Teams like Washington, Arizona, Buffalo armed with 2 1st round picks. Hell the Jets and Broncos might try to jocky for position over 1 another. 7 is too late IMO.
As such that'll leave other great prospects available. The main 4 everyone is stuck like glue on right now, at least 3 will be there because as we've seen with the draft it doesn't pan out the way you guys think.
You make a good point...
I look at it like this:
A team needs to give us (X) to get to 7...
Why would they not want to give up (X+2) and get higher ensuring they get their guy, or their choice? This is a Bootz example...
Or
Why would they not want to give up (X-2) and deal with Chi, SF etc when none of those teams are a threat to take their guy?
Just how I look at it..thinking we are GREAT trade down position is a bit optimistic imo...
I mean, every damn year someone on this forum champions how we are in a perfect situation to get a sweet deal/king's ransom to trade back..
Every damn year, nothing happens...
*outside the stupid ass Barron and VH3 drafts which really don't count because we got chump change to move back a few spots and did jack **** with said change..
Alpha wrote:And just stop with the "trade down" scenarios.
Sammich wrote:I agree with MJW that we're in a good trade down spot. We're the first team you can bank on to not want one of the QBs. The teams ahead of us that might want a QB will use that as leverage and want more to trade. We are the first team that will give somebody a relatively fair deal. Sure, a team could wait until 9 or 10 or whatever in hopes of a better deal, but then there is a huge chance of them getting leapfrogged by another team.
I mean sure, we'd screw them in a trade. But we wouldn't screw them as bad as the Giants would.
MJW wrote:I would rather take a DE or a LT than a cornerback, even a good one. But it doesn't seem like the draft will fall that way. And as good as Nelson might be, he's still a guard.
You find guards on Day Two, or you build them up from the bottom of the roster. You don't take them at #7.
MJW wrote:Because if they don't want to, somebody else might, that's why. We just saw the Bears trade from #3 to #2 because they were scared of the Browns jumping up from #12.
Our pick really is the first "chokepoint" for the QB run. Unless all 4 go in the top 6, there will be deals to be made IF we want to make them. Not a doubt in my mind about that.
Caradoc wrote:
Best case scenario for us is 4 QBs go top 6. Chubb almost certainly goes there as well. That means only one other (non-QB) blue chip prospect is picked before us. We either stand pat and grab an elite prospect, or trade down a few spots and still get a good pick, with extras to grab say and extra corner in the second and maybe more. ("Maybe" more, because I think negotiation is another weak point for Licht)
MJW wrote:Caradoc wrote:
Best case scenario for us is 4 QBs go top 6. Chubb almost certainly goes there as well. That means only one other (non-QB) blue chip prospect is picked before us. We either stand pat and grab an elite prospect, or trade down a few spots and still get a good pick, with extras to grab say and extra corner in the second and maybe more. ("Maybe" more, because I think negotiation is another weak point for Licht)
In a funny way, we're in a good spot. If all four quarterbacks go, we'll get no worse than the 3rd best player in the draft. If one or two of the quarterbacks are still available, we'll have tradeback options if the guys we love were taken.
That said, I 100% expect us to draft a guard, then with the next pick, the Bears to get two 1sts and a 2nd to trade back. Because Tampa.
real bucs fan wrote:MJW wrote:
In a funny way, we're in a good spot. If all four quarterbacks go, we'll get no worse than the 3rd best player in the draft. If one or two of the quarterbacks are still available, we'll have tradeback options if the guys we love were taken.
That said, I 100% expect us to draft a guard, then with the next pick, the Bears to get two 1sts and a 2nd to trade back. Because Tampa.
While "drafting a guard" sounds bad at 7, Nelson is really that good. Like he's the type of guard you tell your grandkids about. He's Larry Allen good.
If Minkah can prove he has the speed and agility to play CB, there are 4 guys in this draft I love, all playing the 4 biggest needs on this team. I think we're in a tremendous spot to get 1 of them... I think the big question is how you order them in case more than one of them are there...
real bucs fan wrote:Maybe he doesn't last until 7... But the guy is basically the perfect guard prospect, the only knock on him is that he's hasn't done it in the NFL yet. He could be an all-pro as a rookie, he's that good.
MJW wrote:real bucs fan wrote:Maybe he doesn't last until 7... But the guy is basically the perfect guard prospect, the only knock on him is that he's hasn't done it in the NFL yet. He could be an all-pro as a rookie, he's that good.
Keep something in mind: Can't-miss prospects miss all the time.
real bucs fan wrote:Maybe he doesn't last until 7... But the guy is basically the perfect guard prospect, the only knock on him is that he's hasn't done it in the NFL yet. He could be an all-pro as a rookie, he's that good.
Bootz2004 wrote:real bucs fan wrote:Maybe he doesn't last until 7... But the guy is basically the perfect guard prospect, the only knock on him is that he's hasn't done it in the NFL yet. He could be an all-pro as a rookie, he's that good.
Oh boy. The casual is overflowing with you. I don't know what's in that Canadian water but I'm sure it aint for me.
And he has the same chance to be the next Robert Gallery as he does being a rookie All-Pro.
real bucs fan wrote:Bootz2004 wrote:
Oh boy. The casual is overflowing with you. I don't know what's in that Canadian water but I'm sure it aint for me.
And he has the same chance to be the next Robert Gallery as he does being a rookie All-Pro.
Bootz2004 wrote:real bucs fan wrote:
Love the response. Gotta keep reminding myself that there's no difference between you and Sanka. Trolls gonna troll.
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