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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby real bucs fan » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:21 pm

I'd prefer Settle in round 2 as opposed to Vea in round 1, that's for sure.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby Hatter » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:22 pm

real bucs fan wrote:I'd prefer Settle in round 2 as opposed to Vea in round 1, that's for sure.


I could definitely handle that unless the Vea in round 1 was the product of a trade back giving us an extra pick or 2 with Vea coming in the back end of round 1.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby Bucs N Beers » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:01 pm

real bucs fan wrote:I'd prefer Settle in round 2 as opposed to Vea in round 1, that's for sure.


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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby Bucs N Beers » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:13 pm

mdb1958 wrote:A few teams were able to run on Virginia Tech but overall they were a good run stuffing team especially with weaker teams. I would say Settle created opps for his teammates just because they were trying to avoid him.


Accurate.

Ricky Walker played next to Settle and is the type of DT that has some talent, but gets more stats due to motor. Doesn't have the talent that Settle has. Below are their 2017 stats:

Settle: 13 games - 36 tackles, 12.5 TFL, 4 sacks, 0 FF/Recoveries
Walker: 13 games, 41 tackles, 12.5 TFL, 4.5 sacks, 0 FF/1 Recovery

Almost identical production. But turn on the tape and you can tell the difference between the two guys. I was disappointed that Settle declared early, and I think Walker takes a little step back next year.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby ImAWalkingCorpse » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:54 pm

Breeland Speaks is another DT we should be paying attention to on day 2.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:38 am

If this guy runs a 4.94 forty he should be added to the Settle talk.

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B.J. Hill North Carolina State 3 6-3 321 4.94


That also leads me back to Chubb and the interior d-line helping him.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:41 am

ImAWalkingCorpse wrote:Breeland Speaks is another DT we should be paying attention to on day 2.


Should be a DE unless he bulks up.

tweaner???
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:01 am

real bucs fan wrote:I'd prefer Settle in round 2 as opposed to Vea in round 1, that's for sure.


Depends. How many trade downs could you do and still pick Vea. This guy can be nose tackle or DE in a 3-4. Even if he only knocks the OT back one step, the QB is going to take notice.

Just imagine that Stevie T can actually play nosetackle...

Grab a couple 4.5 guys and bingo, you can actually play something that matters.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby Sammich » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:48 pm

If we end up trading down I'm really liking Taven Bryan. I think he would do well playing strongside end in the base and kicking inside in sub packages. Pretty much an upgraded version of Ayers.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby Cheb » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:19 pm

Sammich wrote:If we end up trading down I'm really liking Taven Bryan. I think he would do well playing strongside end in the base and kicking inside in sub packages. Pretty much an upgraded version of Ayers.


He's raw as hell, and has a skillset that very strongly overlaps with Will Gholston.

I see the upside, but he wouldn't be my favorite first rounder.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby MJW » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:48 pm

Cheb wrote:
Sammich wrote:If we end up trading down I'm really liking Taven Bryan. I think he would do well playing strongside end in the base and kicking inside in sub packages. Pretty much an upgraded version of Ayers.


He's raw as hell, and has a skillset that very strongly overlaps with Will Gholston.

I see the upside, but he wouldn't be my favorite first rounder.


I think Bryan is a more natural nose tackle than Gholston though. Gholston is a yoked up edge guy. Bryan I think could play the nose as well as base end. I'm a fan. If we traded down he'd be a guy I'd look at.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby terrytate » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:35 pm

MJW wrote:
Cheb wrote:
He's raw as hell, and has a skillset that very strongly overlaps with Will Gholston.

I see the upside, but he wouldn't be my favorite first rounder.


I think Bryan is a more natural nose tackle than Gholston though. Gholston is a yoked up edge guy. Bryan I think could play the nose as well as base end. I'm a fan. If we traded down he'd be a guy I'd look at.



I think Bryan is more explosive too. His first step is pretty damned fast.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby MJW » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:21 am

terrytate wrote:
MJW wrote:
I think Bryan is a more natural nose tackle than Gholston though. Gholston is a yoked up edge guy. Bryan I think could play the nose as well as base end. I'm a fan. If we traded down he'd be a guy I'd look at.



I think Bryan is more explosive too. His first step is pretty damned fast.


Agreed. I could see him being nasty on the interior on passing downs and equally nasty at base end on running downs. We're talking about Minkah Fitzpatrick as a guy we could move around and use situationally week to week, etc, and I think Bryan is the same kind of guy. He could play up and down the line. I think he's honestly athletic enough to play from the 2 point in certain situations. He's one of those guys a smart DC could find a bunch of different ways to use.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby Super K » Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:47 am

mdb1958 wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:I'd prefer Settle in round 2 as opposed to Vea in round 1, that's for sure.


Depends. How many trade downs could you do and still pick Vea. This guy can be nose tackle or DE in a 3-4. Even if he only knocks the OT back one step, the QB is going to take notice.

Just imagine that Stevie T can actually play nosetackle...

Grab a couple 4.5 guys and bingo, you can actually play something that matters.


I wouldn't even worry about trading down....hell, take him at #7...

Folks above are talking about Taken Bryan's versatility, Vea offers the same while being bigger and stronger...
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby MJW » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:30 am

Super K wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
Depends. How many trade downs could you do and still pick Vea. This guy can be nose tackle or DE in a 3-4. Even if he only knocks the OT back one step, the QB is going to take notice.

Just imagine that Stevie T can actually play nosetackle...

Grab a couple 4.5 guys and bingo, you can actually play something that matters.


I wouldn't even worry about trading down....hell, take him at #7...

Folks above are talking about Taken Bryan's versatility, Vea offers the same while being bigger and stronger...


WIth Vea, I don't think you'd get cute. You'd stick him on the nose and instruct him to destroy everything in his path. It would be fun to watch, anyway.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby Sammich » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:41 pm

Super K wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
Depends. How many trade downs could you do and still pick Vea. This guy can be nose tackle or DE in a 3-4. Even if he only knocks the OT back one step, the QB is going to take notice.

Just imagine that Stevie T can actually play nosetackle...

Grab a couple 4.5 guys and bingo, you can actually play something that matters.


I wouldn't even worry about trading down....hell, take him at #7...

Folks above are talking about Taken Bryan's versatility, Vea offers the same while being bigger and stronger...


If Chubb and Nelson are off the board Vea is my #3- I like him a lot. Me bringing up Taven Bryan in a trade down assumes Vea is long gone and we got good compensation for the trade.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby Super K » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:20 pm

MJW wrote:
Super K wrote:
I wouldn't even worry about trading down....hell, take him at #7...

Folks above are talking about Taken Bryan's versatility, Vea offers the same while being bigger and stronger...


WIth Vea, I don't think you'd get cute. You'd stick him on the nose and instruct him to destroy everything in his path. It would be fun to watch, anyway.


Absolutely...he can do that...

But ponder this...if Stevie T does stick around because he can be competent tackle, sliding Vea over to the 3 technique would put an absolute wall inside from tackle to tackle...

And Vea is capable of it...he can play nose, 3 tech, 5 tech etc...he is Haloti Ngota incarnate...
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:55 am

Who are your 3 techs that could possibly make it into our draft?
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:07 am

I am a little lost on these defensive line signings. Do they cause disruption that allows others to make plays?
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby Buccs99 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:46 am

college statistics do not mean jack **** to me when it comes to transitioning to the NFL. I will trust the teams evaluations but what i want to see are the bucs drafting guys they believe to be capable pass rusher help the first 2-3 picks of this draft.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby Jason Bourne » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:17 am

mdb1958 wrote:Who are your 3 techs that could possibly make it into our draft?


Christian Wilkens is a stud 3 tech, and the closest thing to GMC in college right now...but he decided to return to Clemson this year.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:21 am

I had Rasheem Green for us in the 4th in my original mock, but I think he'd be a Day 2 guy now.

With McDonald walking, definitely looks like the plan is to add some young blood behind McCoy.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:13 am

Jason Bourne wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Who are your 3 techs that could possibly make it into our draft?


Christian Wilkens is a stud 3 tech, and the closest thing to GMC in college right now...but he decided to return to Clemson this year.



Jason, I guess you need to try again - ehh.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:17 am

real bucs fan wrote:I had Rasheem Green for us in the 4th in my original mock, but I think he'd be a Day 2 guy now.

With McDonald walking, definitely looks like the plan is to add some young blood behind McCoy.


My worry with him is his weight, he has good speed but is it there when he puts on 25 pounds.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby Bootz2004 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:25 am

mdb1958 wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:I had Rasheem Green for us in the 4th in my original mock, but I think he'd be a Day 2 guy now.

With McDonald walking, definitely looks like the plan is to add some young blood behind McCoy.


My worry with him is his weight, he has good speed but is it there when he puts on 25 pounds.


Yea, if he's to be an NFL DT he would need to add significant weight. He doesn't have the build or strength of a DT.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:27 am

mdb1958 wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:I had Rasheem Green for us in the 4th in my original mock, but I think he'd be a Day 2 guy now.

With McDonald walking, definitely looks like the plan is to add some young blood behind McCoy.


My worry with him is his weight, he has good speed but is it there when he puts on 25 pounds.

We'll see. I think he'd be a nice fit for us though, as I think he's one of those guys who needs a year or two to develop- and he'll add weight as he does.

Could be a star by year 3 though, just as McCoy need to be replaced.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:31 am

real bucs fan wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
My worry with him is his weight, he has good speed but is it there when he puts on 25 pounds.

We'll see. I think he'd be a nice fit for us though, as I think he's one of those guys who needs a year or two to develop- and he'll add weight as he does.

Could be a star by year 3 though, just as McCoy need to be replaced.


So somewhere between the 38th and 107th?
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:34 am

mdb1958 wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:We'll see. I think he'd be a nice fit for us though, as I think he's one of those guys who needs a year or two to develop- and he'll add weight as he does.

Could be a star by year 3 though, just as McCoy need to be replaced.


So somewhere between the 38th and 107th?

I have no idea, he could go anywhere on Day 2 and built to fit in almost any scheme.I think our 2nd would be a bit rich, but if he makes it to our 3rd, we should consider him.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:57 am

real bucs fan wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
So somewhere between the 38th and 107th?

I have no idea, he could go anywhere on Day 2 and built to fit in almost any scheme.I think our 2nd would be a bit rich, but if he makes it to our 3rd, we should consider him.


I'd like to draft Nathan Shepherd and PJ Hall. I actually envisioned getting a bunch of defensive tackles and having so much wealth at the position we could use who ever we wanted to for future trades. So long gap shooter.
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Re: Draft Watch: DT

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:29 am

Super K wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
Depends. How many trade downs could you do and still pick Vea. This guy can be nose tackle or DE in a 3-4. Even if he only knocks the OT back one step, the QB is going to take notice.

Just imagine that Stevie T can actually play nosetackle...

Grab a couple 4.5 guys and bingo, you can actually play something that matters.


I wouldn't even worry about trading down....hell, take him at #7...

Folks above are talking about Taken Bryan's versatility, Vea offers the same while being bigger and stronger...


There are a lot of defensive tackles in this draft and to me that is what makes me indecisive with the direction of the process. I hate to even think we dont draft a defensive end with our first pick. Remember that pick wont have to do it all his first year, Gholston is a heck of a run defender and we could probably get another of our guys up to the challenge and then use the youngsters to learn and get after the QB on third down.

Get a bad ass DT rotation and who knows, even Will might get a few sacks.
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