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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Nano » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:22 am

mdb1958 wrote:Denzel Ward CB or Nick Chubb/Royce Freeman/Sonny Michel

For our 2nd pick


Denzel Ward easily unless we get Fitz in the first(and even then)

mdb1958 wrote:CHUKWUMA OKORAFOR OT or G WILL HERNANDEZ

for our 2nd pick


Will Hernandez. Guard is a more pressing need and OBP likes our tackles(Which they should, Smith played decently
, Dotson close to All-Pro)
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Stephenip12 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:15 pm

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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Hatter » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:05 pm

Nano wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Denzel Ward CB or Nick Chubb/Royce Freeman/Sonny Michel

For our 2nd pick


Denzel Ward easily unless we get Fitz in the first(and even then)

mdb1958 wrote:CHUKWUMA OKORAFOR OT or G WILL HERNANDEZ

for our 2nd pick


Will Hernandez. Guard is a more pressing need and OBP likes our tackles(Which they should, Smith played decently
, Dotson close to All-Pro)


You really think Smith played decently?
I think (and I may be alone on this) he is not good at all and he could even lose his starting gig depending on FA and the draft.. He just looks so slow and inept at times.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:47 pm

Whether its justified or not, we are starting to see player movement to the point where some guys we would like to have look like reaches now. Its a long way to go, so expect more to happen.

I think the homework on this draft is identifying who plays damn good football and who needs time before they do it.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Bootz2004 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:01 pm

Hatter wrote:
Nano wrote:
Denzel Ward easily unless we get Fitz in the first(and even then)



Will Hernandez. Guard is a more pressing need and OBP likes our tackles(Which they should, Smith played decently
, Dotson close to All-Pro)


You really think Smith played decently?
I think (and I may be alone on this) he is not good at all and he could even lose his starting gig depending on FA and the draft.. He just looks so slow and inept at times.


Dirk Koetter on Donovan Smith

"If you listen to rumors, you’d think Donovan Smith should never play football again," Koetter said. "All Donovan Smith does is play hurt, play consistent, play against the best pass-rushers in the world. Donovan Smith is a pretty darn good football player."


Trust me, he ain't losing his starting job any time soon and he shouldn't.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:29 pm

Hatter wrote:
Nano wrote:
Denzel Ward easily unless we get Fitz in the first(and even then)



Will Hernandez. Guard is a more pressing need and OBP likes our tackles(Which they should, Smith played decently
, Dotson close to All-Pro)


You really think Smith played decently?
I think (and I may be alone on this) he is not good at all and he could even lose his starting gig depending on FA and the draft.. He just looks so slow and inept at times.



We were around the middle of the pack for giving up sacks in the league
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:39 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Hatter wrote:
You really think Smith played decently?
I think (and I may be alone on this) he is not good at all and he could even lose his starting gig depending on FA and the draft.. He just looks so slow and inept at times.



We were around the middle of the pack for giving up sacks in the league

Yup- on a per pass play basis. As well Koetters system features longer developing routes so that means the oline must have held up pretty good, Smith included. Heck he was the only guy consistantly out there...
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Caradoc » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:43 pm

lots of third and longs, long developing plays, a QB who holds the ball forever, and a one-dimensional offense. Our OL is much better at Pass pro than people give them credit for.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby MJW » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:53 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:
Trust me, he ain't losing his starting job any time soon and he shouldn't.


No, I assume that Donovan Smith's grandpa saved Dirk Koetter's dad in Nam, and there's no way he's going to bench him now.

All jokes aside, Donovan Smith sucks, but there are so many bigger issues with this 53 right now that he's most likely safe regardless. And we can keep pretending that he's going to wake up one day with good footwork and balance, things that lots of offensive linemen develop in their 50th or 60th start.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby MJW » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:54 pm

mdb1958 wrote:
Hatter wrote:
You really think Smith played decently?
I think (and I may be alone on this) he is not good at all and he could even lose his starting gig depending on FA and the draft.. He just looks so slow and inept at times.



We were around the middle of the pack for giving up sacks in the league


I'd like to know where we ranked in, "Quarterback running for his life to his right" plays. Probably way up there.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:58 pm

MJW wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:

We were around the middle of the pack for giving up sacks in the league


I'd like to know where we ranked in, "Quarterback running for his life to his right" plays. Probably way up there.


Its a QB's job to recognize and deal with adversity while being productive.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:59 pm

If Vea slipped to us in the 2nd who wouldnt take him?
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Caradoc » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:12 pm

MJW wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:

We were around the middle of the pack for giving up sacks in the league


I'd like to know where we ranked in, "Quarterback running for his life to his right after 5 seconds in a clean pocket" plays. Probably way up there.



FIFY
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby MJW » Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:32 am

Caradoc wrote:
MJW wrote:
I'd like to know where we ranked in, "Quarterback running for his life to his right after 5 seconds in a clean pocket" plays. Probably way up there.



FIFY


A separate issue, but valid.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby MJW » Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:33 am

mdb1958 wrote:If Vea slipped to us in the 2nd who wouldnt take him?


It won't happen unless he bombs - BOMBS - the process. If I'm a 3-4 team, I'm flippin' stoked to add that guy to the mix.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:13 am

MJW wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:If Vea slipped to us in the 2nd who wouldnt take him?


It won't happen unless he bombs - BOMBS - the process. If I'm a 3-4 team, I'm flippin' stoked to add that guy to the mix.


So is that a yes or a no.

You could move this guy all over, depending on who you put on the field with him. He dont have to be locked in as just a nose tackle.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Super K » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:29 am

mdb1958 wrote:
MJW wrote:
It won't happen unless he bombs - BOMBS - the process. If I'm a 3-4 team, I'm flippin' stoked to add that guy to the mix.


So is that a yes or a no.

You could move this guy all over, depending on who you put on the field with him. He dont have to be locked in as just a nose tackle.


Agreed...he doesn't have to be/isn't just a 3-4 nose...

Hell, that's why I'd love to have him here...
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby MJW » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:38 am

Super K wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:
So is that a yes or a no.

You could move this guy all over, depending on who you put on the field with him. He dont have to be locked in as just a nose tackle.


Agreed...he doesn't have to be/isn't just a 3-4 nose...

Hell, that's why I'd love to have him here...


I didn't mean to imply he's only a 3-4 guy. What I meant was, a guy like him is attractive as hell to a 3-4 defense, and with so many 3-4 defenses, I don't think there's any chance he gets out of the first round.

To answer the question, yes, I take a guy like that in the 2nd.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Super K » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:32 am

MJW wrote:
Super K wrote:
Agreed...he doesn't have to be/isn't just a 3-4 nose...

Hell, that's why I'd love to have him here...


I didn't mean to imply he's only a 3-4 guy. What I meant was, a guy like him is attractive as hell to a 3-4 defense, and with so many 3-4 defenses, I don't think there's any chance he gets out of the first round.

To answer the question, yes, I take a guy like that in the 2nd.



Ahh, gotchya...

My bad for assuming..
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:44 am

Thx you two. Here is another. If like you say, Vea dont drop. This could help us when we run either defense.

Kress wrote:
I like the hybrid scheme. Go 4 down one play, and then depending on the situation, pull a lineman out and go 3-4 for an unpredictable pass rush. We have the people to do that.



mdb wrote:
If we got lucky and picked Chubb as a base end in our 4-3, which one of these players would you pick as a edge specialist when we run a 3-4 in round two?
Note: these are 3 players that slipped out of the first round to us.

25 LB TREMAINE EDMUNDS - VIRGINIA TECH


32 EDGE DORANCE ARMSTRONG JR. - KANSAS
33 EDGE MARCUS DAVENPORT - UTSA
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Super K » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:59 am

I'm a fan of Armstrong's, I think I've said as much earlier in the thread..that being said, his lack of production this year really stemmed from KU switching to a 3-4 and putting him at OLB opposed to DE..not saying he would have the same issues in the league, just pointing it out...you'd think that he'd be ok, even excel, at OLB given his size and physical traits as he's small for a full-time hand in the dirt 4-3 DE...

Davenport in the 2nd would be a freaking steal..yes he's raw as hell, but he can be developed, molded, shaped...think an "unpolished" DeMarcus Ware..and with his physical size?!?!..I was reading about Baltimore's hybrid D this morning (love their D/concept and think that's whom we should emulate) adding Davenport definitely helps us get bigger, stronger, meaner without sacrificing pass rush...this is something I've clamored about for a long time now..
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:18 am

Super K wrote:I'm a fan of Armstrong's, I think I've said as much earlier in the thread..that being said, his lack of production this year really stemmed from KU switching to a 3-4 and putting him at OLB opposed to DE..not saying he would have the same issues in the league, just pointing it out...you'd think that he'd be ok, even excel, at OLB given his size and physical traits as he's small for a full-time hand in the dirt 4-3 DE...

Davenport in the 2nd would be a freaking steal..yes he's raw as hell, but he can be developed, molded, shaped...think an "unpolished" DeMarcus Ware..and with his physical size?!?!..I was reading about Baltimore's hybrid D this morning (love their D/concept and think that's whom we should emulate) adding Davenport definitely helps us get bigger, stronger, meaner without sacrificing pass rush...this is something I've clamored about for a long time now..



I'd love all three, thats a crazy report Daniel gave out on Tremaine. Just imagine if we did get a high 2nd from the Bears, then we give out our 2nd and 4th next year and end up with all four of them. These three could start out situational while we are deciding to go full 3-4.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Jason Bourne » Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:47 pm

People don’t realize we switch to a 3-4 at least a coupe times a game ... McCoy Doesn’t like it
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:33 pm

All this time and dont have no beastly bull rush either, why do you think I call him gap shooter. He's gonna ride his one special thing he does all the way to the end.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby MJW » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:43 am

My guy Will Hernandez was straight up mauling people out there this week.

I don't think he's there for us in the 2nd anymore, sadly. I think we'd either need to trade back or trade up for him.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Bootz2004 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:56 am

MJW wrote:My guy Will Hernandez was straight up mauling people out there this week.

I don't think he's there for us in the 2nd anymore, sadly. I think we'd either need to trade back or trade up for him.


A short, short-armed guard from a “small school”? Doubt he goes in the 1st. Highly doubt it.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:57 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
MJW wrote:My guy Will Hernandez was straight up mauling people out there this week.

I don't think he's there for us in the 2nd anymore, sadly. I think we'd either need to trade back or trade up for him.


A short, short-armed guard from a “small school”? Doubt he goes in the 1st. Highly doubt it.

I interpreted her post as saying he goes in the top 5 of the second round which I think is quite possible. He's a very good prospect.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby real bucs fan » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:48 am

Hernandez in the 2nd would be great- though I do think that's the pick where we need to get the RB.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby MJW » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:55 am

Bootz2004 wrote:
MJW wrote:My guy Will Hernandez was straight up mauling people out there this week.

I don't think he's there for us in the 2nd anymore, sadly. I think we'd either need to trade back or trade up for him.


A short, short-armed guard from a “small school”? Doubt he goes in the 1st. Highly doubt it.


I don't doubt he'll go in the top 36 at this point. He's absolutely one of the 36 best prospects in this class. He dominated all week at the Senior Bowl. He also kicked ass against Texas and Oklahoma the last two years. You can find the highlight packages easily enough from those games.

BTW, 6'3 isn't short for a guard. I don't know what his arm length is yet, but if you do I'd love a link.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby real bucs fan » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:12 am

I think the main difference between Hernandez and Nelson are in their movement skills. I think both are going to be absolutely dominant run blockers, but Nelson will be much more effective pulling and in pass protection.

That said I understand the rationale of passing on Nelson with the idea that one can land an excellent Guard on Day 2 of this epic Guard draft.

But ultimately I think you just have to go BPA. You never know who's going to fall to Day 2, and who won't. It's why I wouldn't pass on Barkley- as much as I'd love Guice or Michel in round 2, I think there's a great chance neither make it there, and then we're fucked.

Take the BPA at 7, and then regroup after Round 1 and identify your Day 2 targets to fill your needs. That's always the best philosophy IMO.
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