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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Naismith » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:51 am

Falling in love with players is a (perfectly understandable) conceit that attempts to buck the odds of the draft. It says that you think your ability to evaluate players is better than history suggests it is across the board. The smart teams accept that there's a huge bit of luck and circumstance that goes into nailing the draft so the more picks, the better.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby sonofg » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:24 pm

BucJordan wrote:Trading down with the Bills for their two firsts is the absolute dream scenario for me. They'd be overpaying, bit we've seen teams do just that for a QB. Even if Nelson is on the board I couldn't complain. It'd be better than watching us pass on him for a DB at 7 like most recent mocks are predicting. :?

If Barkley is there I'd gladly trade down with Oakland if we can pick up their 2nd. Same with Miami if they want the 4th or 5th QB.

I'm leery of going lower than 12 because I think we can still get one of the big three DBs there, but obviously if we start talking about a future 1st you have to listen.


This is where my dream scenario is. Trade down to 15 for Arizonas 2019 1st (if a QB they want is available at 7). With the Seahawks presumably still competitive and both the Rams and 49ers on the way up (to varying degrees), I could easily see the Cardinals finishing 4th in the division.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby sonofg » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:26 pm

Hatter wrote:
BRING ON THE DRAFT!

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Must be an old picture. I recognize Evan Smith and Glennon, but not the other two guys.....
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Bootz2004 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:57 pm

If we go Minkah 1st round I think that really opens up the possibilities in the 2nd.
RB, DE, DE, OL, all on the table. WR and secondary also.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Hatter » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:29 pm

sonofg wrote:
Hatter wrote:
BRING ON THE DRAFT!

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Must be an old picture. I recognize Evan Smith and Glennon, but not the other two guys.....

Yep, thats Trublood and Faine. :)
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby BucJordan » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:23 pm

Super K wrote:I get your point of view, I just hate having decisions made for us/me...

If we have 4 guys graded about the same and trade back 3 spots because 1 of them will be there, it's like skipping out on the decision..(in my mind at least)...imo that's how we ended up with VH3 and Barron...we tried to be "smart" instead of standing pat and drafting our guy..

As to the latter half of your post, do you really mean we could get back up into the first (29-32) just by offering a 2019 3rd round pick? Or am I reading that wrong?...

Because if we gave up our late 1st rounder for a future 3rd I'd ****ing kill Licht dead...


I think in both examples we got who we wanted anyway, for better or for worse. Justin Blackmon and Morris Claiborne went off the board before Barron, neither of whom amounted to much. Jury is out on the 2016 guys but Eli Apple hasn't been a home run exactly either.

And yes I'm saying a 2019 3rd might be enough to add to our 2018 2nd rounder to move up into the 29-32 range. But Im not typically a fan of giving up a 3rd to move up ten spots for a guy unless its just an unbelievable value.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Doctor » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:40 am

Guice! Guice! Guice!
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:11 am

Dont count out the trenches. I think we have wanted to get bigger and stronger all along. This could even mean looking into the 3rd round.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby MJW » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:36 am

mdb1958 wrote:Dont count out the trenches. I think we have wanted to get bigger and stronger all along. This could even mean looking into the 3rd round.


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You want bigger and stronger?

I'd send Cleveland #38 and #102 right now for the chance to draft this fellow.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:43 am

MJW wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Dont count out the trenches. I think we have wanted to get bigger and stronger all along. This could even mean looking into the 3rd round.


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You want bigger and stronger?

I'd send Cleveland #38 and #102 right now for the chance to draft this fellow.


Just no, go cheaper. Image
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:20 am

At 38 I hope we get a CB, and Josh Jackson would be amazing value at our biggest need. But if he's off the board, there are a bunch of good CBs left. I was expecting a CB run in the teens and 20s but it just didn't happen. Guice could be a darkhorse, but I think he's falling for character concerns so he could continue to tumble. From a pure BPA standpoint, Landry, Hernandez, and Connor Williams all had first round grades and should go among the first 5 picks, but if any of them fell to 38 I'd understand the pick.

At 56/58 you would think that one of Chubb/Jones would be there, and we have to be taking a RB with one of those picks.

With the other pick, ideally we'd get a safety, someone like Justin Reid or Ronnie Harrison.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby acmillis » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:26 am

Take Hernandez at 38, or Jackson if Hernandez is not there.

Take a RB with one of the 2nd round picks and take BPA from there on out.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Konatown » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:38 am

Walter football has 2 mocks for the 2nd.

Guice
Carlton Davis
Austin Corbett

Nick Chubb
Carlton Davis
Braden Smith

Give me option A
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:39 am

I think Hernandez is Licht's target. We've met with him twice
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Konatown » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:44 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:I think Hernandez is Licht's target. We've met with him twice

Would love it, but I don’t see the G men passing on him
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:45 am

Konatown wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:I think Hernandez is Licht's target. We've met with him twice

Would love it, but I don’t see the G men passing on him

But...they have Patrick Omameh. they got all they need!
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Jason Bourne » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:53 am

MJW wrote:
mdb1958 wrote:Dont count out the trenches. I think we have wanted to get bigger and stronger all along. This could even mean looking into the 3rd round.


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You want bigger and stronger?

I'd send Cleveland #38 and #102 right now for the chance to draft this fellow.


Agreed , it might happen
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:04 am

Konatown wrote:
Mountaineer Buc wrote:I think Hernandez is Licht's target. We've met with him twice

Would love it, but I don’t see the G men passing on him

Ya he makes way too much sense for the Giants.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Bootz2004 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:15 am

Mountaineer Buc wrote:I think Hernandez is Licht's target. We've met with him twice


We met with Minkah twice as well....
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Doctor » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:41 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
Konatown wrote:Would love it, but I don’t see the G men passing on him

Ya he makes way too much sense for the Giants.

Have to agree. Need to block for Eli and Barkley.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Phantom Phenom » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:48 pm

38 - Guice we need to trade up to get him
53 - Jackson
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Naismith » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:06 pm

Guice will be there unless someone else trades up for him.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Caradoc » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:12 pm

Hypothetical, we swap our fourth and 38 to move up to 33 and grab Hernandez. How do you round out the 2nd round?
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby Naismith » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:21 pm

I'd likely try to trade back and pick up a few other picks with one of them. I'd consider gambling on Arden Key as well.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby LavonteDavid54 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:59 pm

I've kind of been on Hernandez since day one at this point. However, I wonder at what positions are we ONE injury away from a huge UH OH. I think RB and CB more than the line and I'm one of the few who thinks Barber could be very productive and be a #1.The line atleast has a few guys I know can plug in and we could still put up 30 ( barring no to's).Then out of RB and CB where's the best talent? Chubb, Ronald Jones are more explosive and are better players than Donte Jackson Carlton Davis , imho. Kind of with RB at this point with the first pick.
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Re: In the Second Round of the 2018 Draft Tampa Bay selects.

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:09 pm

Naismith wrote:I'd likely try to trade back and pick up a few other picks with one of them. I'd consider gambling on Arden Key as well.



Rather gamble on Ade Aruna. But yeah, give me my pick with extra picks --------- all day.
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