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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:53 am

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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby Bucs N Beers » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:19 pm

real bucs fan wrote:I'm a big fan of Brandon Facyson, CB out of Virginia Tech. I really can't put my finger on why he's not regarded as AT LEAST a Day 2 pick, as I regularly see him with a Day 3 grade. Dude kind of reminds me of Talib. He's not a 4.4 guy, but he's got crazy length, and it just is almost impossible to complete a ball against him.


Interested in what you think of Greg Strohman. He's shorter and lighter than Facyson, but had more production as a CB and was a very good punt returner.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:57 pm

Bucs N Beers wrote:
real bucs fan wrote:I'm a big fan of Brandon Facyson, CB out of Virginia Tech. I really can't put my finger on why he's not regarded as AT LEAST a Day 2 pick, as I regularly see him with a Day 3 grade. Dude kind of reminds me of Talib. He's not a 4.4 guy, but he's got crazy length, and it just is almost impossible to complete a ball against him.


Interested in what you think of Greg Strohman. He's shorter and lighter than Facyson, but had more production as a CB and was a very good punt returner.

Never really noticed him tbh. That was a really good D though that definitely had some NFL talent.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby mdb1958 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:04 am

Here you go Mary Jane!

Draft Utopia's new 3 rounder and Tampa's picks are.

BradleyChubb - RDE
Mike Hughes - CB
Denzel Ward - CB


Sidenote!

These people are destroying my mock draft, they have Danny Johnson going pick 98 to the Houston Texans and PJ Hall going pick 87 to the Atlanta Falcons. I was hoping to get these boys in the 4th or later.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby Cheb » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:40 pm

NFL.com has Levi Wallace as a sixth rounder. I'd take him sooner. The dude may not have the measurables, but he's a baller.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby Mountaineer Buc » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:30 pm

Cheb wrote:NFL.com has Levi Wallace as a sixth rounder. I'd take him sooner. The dude may not have the measurables, but he's a baller.

Agreed both Levi and Anthony Averett are getting dissed.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:42 am

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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby MJW » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:48 am

mdb1958 wrote:http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0757970015612834593-4%20%E2%80%A6


Counting on JAB to be more than a camp competitor would be the same exact mistake we made with Jack Smith. But I'll be rooting for him. He's shown flashes.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby Konatown » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:45 am

Saw the mock where we end up with Denzel Ward. Seems he’s the highest rated CB this year (sans Fitzpatrick). But he’s another 5’10 CB. Is he that good where he makes up for his lack of size to be a top 10 pick? I just see another VH3 at this point
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:21 am

Konatown wrote:Saw the mock where we end up with Denzel Ward. Seems he’s the highest rated CB this year (sans Fitzpatrick). But he’s another 5’10 CB. Is he that good where he makes up for his lack of size to be a top 10 pick? I just see another VH3 at this point


After the combine they will be repositioned in the rankings.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:39 am

I like Josh Jackson better. He seems much more in line with the new wave of long CBs with insane ballskills who seem to be taking over the position league wide.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:52 am

real bucs fan wrote:I like Josh Jackson better. He seems much more in line with the new wave of long CBs with insane ballskills who seem to be taking over the position league wide.



Are you willing to spin the first round arrow and just let it fall where it may?
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby Bootz2004 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:00 pm

Ward's size is the only real negative he might have but it's not like he's a little person. But if you want a corner who can cover there's no better one in this draft sans Minkah Fitzpatrick. If you see Hargreaves when you watch Ward you have no clue about football.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:08 pm

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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby Konatown » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:37 pm

Bootz2004 wrote:Ward's size is the only real negative he might have but it's not like he's a little person. But if you want a corner who can cover there's no better one in this draft sans Minkah Fitzpatrick. If you see Hargreaves when you watch Ward you have no clue about football.

So salty lol

I’ll admit I haven’t watched Ward specifically focusing on him when I watched the handful of OSU games I did this year.
What I meant by the comparison is that they seem to be smaller CB’s projected in the top 10. If you’ve watched him, feel free to give your analysis on why he’s a top 10 pick?
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby MJW » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:14 am

Bootz2004 wrote:Ward's size is the only real negative he might have but it's not like he's a little person. But if you want a corner who can cover there's no better one in this draft sans Minkah Fitzpatrick. If you see Hargreaves when you watch Ward you have no clue about football.


Agreed. The guy can flat-out cover, and although he's not Richard Sherman, you didn't watch an OSU game without him making a few rock-solid tackles and/or big hits (for a corner.)
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:33 am

Should Max Redfield be discussed for free safety?
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby mdb1958 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:50 am

I'm going out on a limb saying Danny Johnson will have the top forty yard for cornerbacks at the combine.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby mdb1958 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:16 am

Tell me now, before the workouts, just how good is CB ISAIAH OLIVER - COLORADO?
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:43 am

Josh Jackson ran a 4.49. I like him. I think 7 is too rich for him though, but he could be a steal.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:50 am

Ward ran in the 4.3s. My boy Brandon Facyson ran a 4.55 and looking loose in the drills for a big CB.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby terrytate » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:59 pm

Derwin James with a 4.48. Put up 21 on the bench too.

There are a lot of DB's I like but not many I'd like to take at 7 ideally. James is the only one I'd be ok with spending 7 on and even then I'd rather trade back.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby real bucs fan » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:12 pm

Fitz worked out with the safety's if that means anything... he and James both look like top 10 picks. Not sure we take either though.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby mdb1958 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:09 am

Any thoughts on Davontae Harris
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:37 am

As far as cornerbacks go, is Denzel Ward Tampa's top choice? He may be, but I got the feeling our list differs somewhat from the list makers.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby LavonteDavid54 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:42 pm

It's tough in the sense Ward stays in the hip pocket better than anyone in this class. Which we definitely need. His size? Could hurt vs big wideouts or him getting in and blowing up plays ala Ronde Barber.He can lick a guy if he's hung out to dry but taking on a blocker and blowing up a play with an aggressive tackle? Not so sure.The one thing for me is this, he tends to blanket without turning his head and being a ball hawk type guy.Cant stress enough if size and physicality is already a minus you can not be a guy who can't snatch picks. -2, -3 TO battle in a game gives atleast a 50% better chance to win the game.Like a lead off walk in baseball scores majority of time. Turnover battle wins most of the time. So at 7? Idk I've seen James in his freshman year and he looked like he can cover some ground. He vicious and sets a tone!! That's contagious.If Ward was a solid 5'11" and had a solid numbers of ints I'd say yes. However taking him atleast we know he's gonna be like glue on a lot of receivers and won't be embarrassing himself like we've seen many times. What's everyone's take on Oliver? Or if Alexander slips to 2? Is he the right call?
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby real bucs fan » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:07 pm

LavonteDavid54 wrote:It's tough in the sense Ward stays in the hip pocket better than anyone in this class. Which we definitely need. His size? Could hurt vs big wideouts or him getting in and blowing up plays ala Ronde Barber.He can lick a guy if he's hung out to dry but taking on a blocker and blowing up a play with an aggressive tackle? Not so sure.The one thing for me is this, he tends to blanket without turning his head and being a ball hawk type guy.Cant stress enough if size and physicality is already a minus you can not be a guy who can't snatch picks. -2, -3 TO battle in a game gives atleast a 50% better chance to win the game.Like a lead off walk in baseball scores majority of time. Turnover battle wins most of the time. So at 7? Idk I've seen James in his freshman year and he looked like he can cover some ground. He vicious and sets a tone!! That's contagious.If Ward was a solid 5'11" and had a solid numbers of ints I'd say yes. However taking him atleast we know he's gonna be like glue on a lot of receivers and won't be embarrassing himself like we've seen many times. What's everyone's take on Oliver? Or if Alexander slips to 2? Is he the right call?

Oliver is intriguing, great length, and great cover skills. Despite his size though, he's one of the least physical CBs you'll ever see. Dude is afraid of contact. Ward while being smaller is certainly much stouter against the run and tackling than Oliver.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby MJW » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:09 pm

real bucs fan wrote:
LavonteDavid54 wrote:It's tough in the sense Ward stays in the hip pocket better than anyone in this class. Which we definitely need. His size? Could hurt vs big wideouts or him getting in and blowing up plays ala Ronde Barber.He can lick a guy if he's hung out to dry but taking on a blocker and blowing up a play with an aggressive tackle? Not so sure.The one thing for me is this, he tends to blanket without turning his head and being a ball hawk type guy.Cant stress enough if size and physicality is already a minus you can not be a guy who can't snatch picks. -2, -3 TO battle in a game gives atleast a 50% better chance to win the game.Like a lead off walk in baseball scores majority of time. Turnover battle wins most of the time. So at 7? Idk I've seen James in his freshman year and he looked like he can cover some ground. He vicious and sets a tone!! That's contagious.If Ward was a solid 5'11" and had a solid numbers of ints I'd say yes. However taking him atleast we know he's gonna be like glue on a lot of receivers and won't be embarrassing himself like we've seen many times. What's everyone's take on Oliver? Or if Alexander slips to 2? Is he the right call?

Oliver is intriguing, great length, and great cover skills. Despite his size though, he's one of the least physical CBs you'll ever see. Dude is afraid of contact. Ward while being smaller is certainly much stouter against the run and tackling than Oliver.


Pound for pound, Ward is the hardest hitting corner in this draft. He blows up ball carriers.
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby LavonteDavid54 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:40 am

Avonte Maddox!! If someone else mentioned him , my apologies.He tested great in every combine drill.Wasnt afraid to test in all of them, quite a few did just the 3 or so they thought they'd do well in. Quick feet great quickness and speed(4.39)Went and watched what I could and this guy , very impressive.He stole the show at east west shrine week, held his own vs bigger guys(one scout says he was the most impressive player there)Very physical, loves mixing it up and gets his hands on a good number of passes, so he's giving his team the ball.This guy is projected a possible day 3? I can't see it. So if by miracle he's there for us with our 4th he's gotta be the pick. He's a legitimate " steal".
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Re: Draft Watch: DB

Postby mdb1958 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:01 am

LavonteDavid54 wrote:Avonte Maddox!! If someone else mentioned him , my apologies.He tested great in every combine drill.Wasnt afraid to test in all of them, quite a few did just the 3 or so they thought they'd do well in. Quick feet great quickness and speed(4.39)Went and watched what I could and this guy , very impressive.He stole the show at east west shrine week, held his own vs bigger guys(one scout says he was the most impressive player there)Very physical, loves mixing it up and gets his hands on a good number of passes, so he's giving his team the ball.This guy is projected a possible day 3? I can't see it. So if by miracle he's there for us with our 4th he's gotta be the pick. He's a legitimate " steal".



There are some nice prospects that could be labeled smallish. Prolly the biggest concern is can they hold up or worse yet, stay away from IR.

Even Grimes wasnt himself when he was banged up.
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